The Black Cat Streetlites are to be replaced by Optare Versa from (I assume) Riverside. The Streetlites are going The other way.

Why? I think versas are much worse than Streetlites.


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(14 Jun 2021, 4:28 pm)morritt89 wrote The Black Cat Streetlites are to be replaced by Optare Versa from (I assume) Riverside. The Streetlites are going The other way.

Source?

If true, bloody hope not.

Wouldnt surprise me tbh,its what they did with the buses from what is now Little Coasters

(14 Jun 2021, 4:49 pm)Michael wrote Source?

If true, bloody hope not.

Staff briefing

A few changes for the Clean Air Zone, some surprises in there too. I'll not spoil them though personally.

(14 Jun 2021, 5:03 pm)V514DFT wrote Wouldnt surprise me tbh,its what they did with the buses from what is now Little Coasters

Silver lining, older they are, sooner they'll be replaced.

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Wont let me quote however since versas and 17 plate streetlites are both euro 6, presumably this is for capacity issues....?

(14 Jun 2021, 5:13 pm)deanmachine wrote A few changes for the Clean Air Zone, some surprises in there too. I'll not spoil them though personally.

Bet Deptford loose all their good buses to rubbish....


When will these changes take place?

Riverside appears to have exchanged 6901-05 with 5264,5266-68 and 5271 from Percy Main. 5264 and 5271 have already been there for a few days by the looks of things though. 6139 also appeared to have been transferred recently too.

I would take it as a pinch of salt until it gets officially announced, rather than say so


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(14 Jun 2021, 5:51 pm)cbma06 wrote I would take it as a pinch of salt until it gets officially announced, rather than say so


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Staff notice gone out today. As deanmachine quotes, some interesting fleet moves to come. Consett are loosing the diamond streetlites, good move in my opinion.

(14 Jun 2021, 6:00 pm)Stanleyone wrote Staff notice gone out today. As deanmachine quotes, some interesting fleet moves to come. Consett are loosing the diamond streetlites, good move in my opinion.

Wonder how many passengers will notice the downgrade, as they'll be used to the perks and how many passengers will be put off using the bus because they've lost them.

Time for GNE to order lots of paint..... get a % in the shares.


What was the date for the zone to go ahead in Newcastle?

I do think some passengers will notice that the numberplate of their bus being older than currently, I'm not sure how bothered they'll be unless it effects reliability too much. They might be bothered, however if they find out it's to give Newcastle "cleaner" emission buses, I don't think many will notice that though.

(14 Jun 2021, 6:06 pm)Michael wrote Wonder how many passengers will notice the downgrade, as they'll be used to the perks and how many passengers will be put off using the bus because they've lost them.

Time for GNE to order lots of paint..... get a % in the shares.


What was the date for the zone to go ahead in Newcastle?

Seems like Eclipses going on X66 might be true to swap out euro 5 streetlites for euro 6

The Black Cats is no stranger to downgrades. Having previously went from brand-new Citaros to well-used Solars.

This is one of the issues having a CAZ/LEZ in such a confined area of Newcastle... you're complying with it by literally moving the problem 14 miles down the road...

(14 Jun 2021, 7:13 pm)Adrian wrote The Black Cats is no stranger to downgrades. Having previously went from brand-new Citaros to well-used Solars.

This is one of the issues having a CAZ/LEZ in such a confined area of Newcastle... you're complying with it by literally moving the problem 14 miles down the road...

This has happened where all the CAZ/LEZ have been introduced:

Birmingham 
Leicester 
Leeds then the city council cancelled the zone
London - e.g. Putney High Street where Go Ahead temporarily swapped Volvo B5LHs from Peckham with Optare E400s from Sutton as they weren't Euro6 so could not operate the route 93.
York

When all councils wake up to this fact, they better be worried as the bus companies won't be able to afford to buy Euro 6 buses for everywhere and suddenly services will disappear as they don't make enough to fund new buses.

(14 Jun 2021, 8:05 pm)IRHardy wrote This has happened where all the CAZ/LEZ have been introduced:

Birmingham 
Leicester 
Leeds then the city council cancelled the zone
London - e.g. Putney High Street where Go Ahead temporarily swapped Volvo B5LHs from Peckham with Optare E400s from Sutton as they weren't Euro6 so could not operate the route 93.
York

When all councils wake up to this fact, they better be worried as the bus companies won't be able to afford to buy Euro 6 buses for everywhere and suddenly services will disappear as they don't make enough to fund new buses.

When councils wake up to what fact? 
Did any of those places suffer from services disappearing or did they actually experience better greener vehicles as per their local council’s ambitions?
Newcastle previously lost (Arriva) hybrids to Leeds for their then proposed CAZ. It’s Newcastle’s turn now and as we’ve seen already a lot of work has gone on behind the scenes to make buses greener so our city is a cleaner greener place to live work and visit…. as per the local council’s aspirations.

(14 Jun 2021, 5:13 pm)JP6004 wrote Silver lining, older they are, sooner they'll be replaced.

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Wont let me quote however since versas and 17 plate streetlites are both euro 6, presumably this is for capacity issues....?

Very valid point

Might explain why 6901 was operating 12 dupes at byker today

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(14 Jun 2021, 5:13 pm)JP6004 wrote Silver lining, older they are, sooner they'll be replaced.

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Wont let me quote however since versas and 17 plate streetlites are both euro 6, presumably this is for capacity issues....?

I'm not sure all the Versas are Euro 6. Don't think it was or wasn't confirmed they all got done, I certainly don't believe the 09 plates were ever done but I could be wrong there.

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(14 Jun 2021, 8:36 pm)ne14ne1 wrote When councils wake up to what fact? 
Did any of those places suffer from services disappearing or did they actually experience better greener vehicles as per their local council’s ambitions?
Newcastle previously lost (Arriva) hybrids to Leeds for their then proposed CAZ. It’s Newcastle’s turn now and as we’ve seen already a lot of work has gone on behind the scenes to make buses greener so our city is a cleaner greener place to live work and visit…. as per the local council’s aspirations.

He's talking about it's not fixing anything and when everywhere does Euro 6 you'll get to a stage you can't just shift buses around to prop up an area. Why should Sunderland suffer because Newcastle decided they wanted a Euro 6 zone. What happens if Sunderland decide the same?

(15 Jun 2021, 11:53 am)Storx wrote I'm not sure all the Versas are Euro 6. Don't think it was or wasn't confirmed they all got done, I certainly don't believe the 09 plates were ever done but I could be wrong there.

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He's talking about it's not fixing anything and when everywhere does Euro 6 you'll get to a stage you can't just shift buses around to prop up an area. Why should Sunderland suffer because Newcastle decided they wanted a Euro 6 zone. What happens if Sunderland decide the same?

How exactly is Sunderland suffering? They’re still getting a return of the same number of buses being transferred out. Personally I think the Versa is a better bus than the streetlite.

Well having seen that the Coaster is getting Streetlites, I think I be using the 22 constantly in the future. Apparently 16/16A is going Double Decker.

(15 Jun 2021, 12:09 pm)Rapidsnap wrote Well having seen that the Coaster is getting Streetlites, I think I be using the 22 constantly in the future. Apparently 16/16A is going Double Decker.

I forgot the Coaster deckers were only Euro 5 - I wonder if the full batch will go to Consett for the 16/16A + spares.

Have you got the full list of changes?

(15 Jun 2021, 12:09 pm)Rapidsnap wrote Well having seen that the Coaster is getting Streetlites, I think I be using the 22 constantly in the future. Apparently 16/16A is going Double Decker.

16/16A are indeed getting double dockers. Rather busy services with a need to dupe especially around college times.

(15 Jun 2021, 12:17 pm)Stanleyone wrote 16/16A are indeed getting double dockers. Rather busy services with a need to dupe especially around college times.

What is the PVR of the 16/16A.

(15 Jun 2021, 11:59 am)Big O wrote How exactly is Sunderland suffering? They’re still getting a return of the same number of buses being transferred out. Personally I think the Versa is a better bus than the streetlite.

Sunderland are doubly suffering for the Newcastle CAZ, GNE and SNE transferring Euro 6 vehicles to the Newcastle area at the expense of Sunderland. Mind, Versas aren't as bad as those awful black smoke belching MAN E200s that have been dumped at the Wheatsheaf.

(15 Jun 2021, 11:59 am)Big O wrote How exactly is Sunderland suffering? They’re still getting a return of the same number of buses being transferred out. Personally I think the Versa is a better bus than the streetlite.

When it comes to emissions I was talking about there. They're just getting the older stock for the sake of LEZ zones in other areas which isn't the point of it. It's just a game of shifting things around. Blyth got hit by it aswell with the DB300 and Hybrid swap awhile back.

If Sunderland decide the same what happens, we start swapping with Consett? Then if Durham decide the same then what, time to cancel services? It's what the OP was about.

Just to summarise, so far:


Black Cat Streetlites to Riverside - Versa to Deptford

6901-05 from Riverside to Percy Main - 5264,5266-68 and 5271 to Riverside

Streetlites from Consett to Percy Main in exchange for the Hybrids


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(15 Jun 2021, 12:23 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote What is the PVR of the 16/16A.

5442-5450 (9)

Coaster 1A/1B is getting StreetLites?

No changes for Little Coasters then?

Interesting changes.