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#125
deanmachine
deanmachine
RE: Electric vehicles
(11 Oct 2021, 12:47 pm)Train8261 wrote It's looks longer than the Voltra GNE own

The 12 in E12 refers to it's length I believe, 12m long full size bus rather than the shorter 10m ones used on the 53/54.
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#126
Keeiajs
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Keeiajs
RE: Ne14ne1
(11 Oct 2021, 11:27 am)JP6004 wrote From this I take it the next 9 will E12? I know it was said they due next year, however presume they must be due early in new year
For the 57? 

I wonder if GNE will move to other projects now Riverside is done with Euro 6 stuff.
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#127
Michael
Michael
RE: Ne14ne1
(11 Oct 2021, 4:36 pm)Keeiajs wrote For the 57? 

I wonder if GNE will move to other projects now Riverside is done with Euro 6 stuff.

Think so, not sure it was confirmed thought.

PVR is only 7

9 are on order, so I wonder if they'll add a bus in to the 57 PVR to take it up to 8, to improve reliability?

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Other routes:

6/12/12A = 9 PVR - would only leave 1 spare overall - unless changes were made to the services.

58 - 5 PVR - could increase to 8 with the 58 going every 10 minutes.


Other than those routes, I can't see them being put on anything else
Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
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#128
Storx
Storx
RE: Ne14ne1
(11 Oct 2021, 4:45 pm)Michael wrote Think so, not sure it was confirmed thought.

PVR is only 7

9 are on order, so I wonder if they'll add a bus in to the 57 PVR to take it up to 8, to improve reliability?

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Other routes:

6/12/12A = 9 PVR - would only leave 1 spare overall - unless changes were made to the services.

58 - 5 PVR - could increase to 8 with the 58 going every 10 minutes.


Other than those routes, I can't see them being put on anything else

The 66 plate Streetlites are going on the 6/12/12A, Dan pretty much said a few weeks ago.

The ex Red Kite Streetlites are coming to Riverside to take over the Gateshead Streetlite routes that don't need to go into the LEZ.
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#129
deanmachine
deanmachine
RE: Ne14ne1
(11 Oct 2021, 4:45 pm)Michael wrote Think so, not sure it was confirmed thought.

PVR is only 7

9 are on order, so I wonder if they'll add a bus in to the 57 PVR to take it up to 8, to improve reliability?

Isn't it every 15 minutes now? Don't know if you're including that in thinking for the PVR.
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#130
Michael
Michael
RE: Ne14ne1
(11 Oct 2021, 5:19 pm)Storx wrote The 66 plate Streetlites are going on the 6/12/12A, Dan pretty much said a few weeks ago.

The ex Red Kite Streetlites are coming to Riverside to take over the Gateshead Streetlite routes that don't need to go into the LEZ.

Ah ye now i remember, completely forgot about that.
(11 Oct 2021, 5:23 pm)deanmachine wrote Isn't it every 15 minutes now? Don't know if you're including that in thinking for the PVR.

Ye, but not sure if the reliability was good or not (don't ever use the route).
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#131
Keeiajs
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Keeiajs
RE: Ne14ne1
(11 Oct 2021, 5:19 pm)Storx wrote The 66 plate Streetlites are going on the 6/12/12A, Dan pretty much said a few weeks ago.

The ex Red Kite Streetlites are coming to Riverside to take over the Gateshead Streetlite routes that don't need to go into the LEZ.
Ex Red Kites are Euro 5 at Deptford. And Deptford needs them.
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#133
Keeiajs
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RE: Ne14ne1
(11 Oct 2021, 6:19 pm)S813 FVK wrote They won't once all the repaints are sorted.

See below link - the post being referred to re the ex-Red Kites (in reply to you)
https://northeastbuses.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?tid=3443&pid=264589#pid264589
well they need to have Euro 6 engines fitted, also Deptford atm is struggling for vehicles and will struggle a hell of a lot more without those. 

Wonder what GNE's plans are after the Euro 6's is done which will be soon bar the 57 Yutongs which will come later.
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#134
S813 FVK
S813 FVK
RE: Ne14ne1
(11 Oct 2021, 6:34 pm)Keeiajs wrote well they need to have Euro 6 engines fitted, also Deptford atm is struggling for vehicles and will struggle a hell of a lot more without those. 

No they won't if they're kept on the Gateshead side (eg 49/49A)
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#135
Train8261
Train8261
RE: Ne14ne1
(11 Oct 2021, 4:45 pm)Michael wrote Think so, not sure it was confirmed thought.

PVR is only 7

9 are on order, so I wonder if they'll add a bus in to the 57 PVR to take it up to 8, to improve reliability?

--------

Other routes:

6/12/12A = 9 PVR - would only leave 1 spare overall - unless changes were made to the services.

58 - 5 PVR - could increase to 8 with the 58 going every 10 minutes.


Other than those routes, I can't see them being put on anything else
Why would the 58 get them when they have just gotten the East Gateshead Rider (Then again  Dodgy )
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#136
Michael
Michael
RE: Ne14ne1
(11 Oct 2021, 6:58 pm)Train8261 wrote Why would the 58 get them when they have just gotten the East Gateshead Rider (Then again  Dodgy )

Well you never know, the B9's could then move on to another Gateshead route - using the brand, then the 58 becomes Voltra

Likely the 57 to get the Voltra brand though.
Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
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#137
Keeiajs
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Keeiajs
RE: Ne14ne1
(11 Oct 2021, 7:05 pm)Michael wrote Well you never know, the B9's could then move on to another Gateshead route - using the brand, then the 58 becomes Voltra

Likely the 57 to get the Voltra brand though.
What was the point of branding them...personally idk why 57's are getting new buses are they even busy. Mind if I lived on the 57 route I would love new electric buses.
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#138
Malarkey
Malarkey
RE: Ne14ne1
(11 Oct 2021, 4:45 pm)Michael wrote Think so, not sure it was confirmed thought.

PVR is only 7

9 are on order, so I wonder if they'll add a bus in to the 57 PVR to take it up to 8, to improve reliability?

--------

Other routes:

6/12/12A = 9 PVR - would only leave 1 spare overall - unless changes were made to the services.

58 - 5 PVR - could increase to 8 with the 58 going every 10 minutes.


Other than those routes, I can't see them being put on anything else

What about the Quaycity Q3 with the Versas displaced on to the likes of the 57 given they are already Euro 6.

I'm sure Newcastle City Council would be over the moon if the Quayside was fully operated by Zero Emission Electric Buses alongside the Voltra 53/54.
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#139
Train8261
Train8261
RE: Ne14ne1
(11 Oct 2021, 8:10 pm)Malarkey wrote What about the Quaycity Q3 with the Versas displaced on to the likes of the 57 given they are already Euro 6.

I'm sure Newcastle City Council would be over the moon if the Quayside was fully operated by Zero Emission Electric Buses alongside the Voltra 53/54.
What's the PVR of these new buses meant to be and for what route would they be best suited to. Maybe a whole new route to include the PVR
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#141
LeeCalder
LeeCalder
RE: Electric vehicles
(12 Oct 2021, 1:09 pm)Stuartphin1639 wrote Went past riverside depot on my way to the metro, when I went past there was just a spare voltra branded vehicle parked there, just on my way back and by the looks of things more have been delivered, does anyone know what they are for?

There is currently a McGill's Yutong E12 at Riverside.
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#142
ne14ne1
ne14ne1
Ne14ne1
(12 Oct 2021, 1:09 pm)Stuartphin1639 wrote Went past riverside depot on my way to the metro, when I went past there was just a spare voltra branded vehicle parked there, just on my way back and by the looks of things more have been delivered, does anyone know what they are for?

Ah was it these you saw?

https://flic.kr/p/2mAcVWs

Sounds like they might’ve been there to charge up before continuing on their journey elsewhere.
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#147
Andreos1
Andreos1
RE: Electric vehicles
(27 Oct 2021, 1:11 pm)ne14ne1 wrote And some figures on the fuel saving from the Yutongs:

https://twitter.com/transportwm/status/1...17125?s=21

9 buses.
300,000 miles a year run on Green electricity.
180,000 litres of diesel saved.
That's 470,000 kg of C02 not entering the atmosphere.

It will be interesting to see how sustainable electric vehicles are going to be, when the wholesale prices are going up across Europe.
I'm sure I read somewhere, that some tocs have been reverting back to diesel ops when available as it works out cheaper.
'Illegitimis non carborundum'
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#148
JP6004
JP6004
RE: Electric vehicles
(28 Oct 2021, 11:50 am)Andreos1 wrote It will be interesting to see how sustainable electric vehicles are going to be, when the wholesale prices are going up across Europe.
I'm sure I read somewhere, that some tocs have been reverting back to diesel ops when available as it works out cheaper.
Its unsustainable for the rare metals to be mined to produce enough components for electric vehicles/turbines etc. Can see hydrogen overtaking electric in next 10 years
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#149
deanmachine
deanmachine
RE: Electric vehicles
(28 Oct 2021, 12:53 pm)JP6004 wrote Its unsustainable for the rare metals to be mined to produce enough components for electric vehicles/turbines etc. Can see hydrogen overtaking electric in next 10 years

I don't think Hydrogen is going to be a better solution for city work, even with buses. I have a feeling that BEVs will be for city cars, buses and commercial vehicles, whilst hydrogen and synthetic petroleum/electric hybrids will be used for long distance stuff, for all sorts of vehicles.
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#150
Andreos1
Andreos1
RE: Electric vehicles
(28 Oct 2021, 12:53 pm)JP6004 wrote Its unsustainable for the rare metals to be mined to produce enough components for electric vehicles/turbines etc. Can see hydrogen overtaking electric in next 10 years

Agree. I can't see it lasting long term. 
Short/medium term, there's gonna be challenges if prices continue to rise like they have been.
'Illegitimis non carborundum'
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