https://twitter.com/Bowes96Callum/status...81024?s=20, I do wonder what streetlites they will get, maybe the 60's. There is 8 of them. I believe the PVR is 12. Which means they will need 4 more. 

Idk because the country ranger/prince bishops buses make no sense. So maybe the 60's, and 4 high back 15' plate's.

(10 Nov 2021, 5:51 pm)Keeiajs wrote https://twitter.com/Bowes96Callum/status...81024?s=20, I do wonder what streetlites they will get, maybe the 60's. There is 8 of them. I believe the PVR is 12. Which means they will need 4 more. 

Idk because the country ranger/prince bishops buses make no sense. So maybe the 60's, and 4 high back 15' plate's.

Durham County Council paid for Euro 6, so I doubt they'll accept that

(10 Nov 2021, 6:30 pm)54APhotography wrote Durham County Council paid for Euro 6, so I doubt they'll accept that

But what else do they have that is Euro 6. 
Does anyone know how much a Euro 6 converstion actually is?

That's for GNE to cogetate, the subject of replacement has come up several times, and each time the reminder of Durham County funding for the OmniCity conversions arises...

(10 Nov 2021, 6:30 pm)54APhotography wrote Durham County Council paid for Euro 6, so I doubt they'll accept that

Was it not South Tyneside Council who paid for thr Euro 6, as only 1 service serves County Durham but both services serve South Tyneside

(10 Nov 2021, 6:46 pm)54APhotography wrote That's for GNE to cogetate, the subject of replacement has come up several times, and each time the reminder of Durham County funding for the OmniCity conversions arises...

Least they not bound to the same terms of stupidity as gateshead and Sunderland, whereby the operator had to keep the vehicles on Gateshead/sunderland route for 5yrs....least they can replace the omnis with younger euro 6 vehicles and not be penalised for it

(10 Nov 2021, 5:51 pm)Keeiajs wrote https://twitter.com/Bowes96Callum/status...81024?s=20, I do wonder what streetlites they will get, maybe the 60's. There is 8 of them. I believe the PVR is 12. Which means they will need 4 more. 

Idk because the country ranger/prince bishops buses make no sense. So maybe the 60's, and 4 high back 15' plate's.

I couldn't see on the Twitter feed where it said they were to be replaced with streetlites 
. Be surprised if they do that especially with thr 50 being as busy as it gets.  The 26 is also busier compared to when 50 interworked with the 5

But what streetlites will they use? My first thoughts are the 15' plates or drifters for obvious reasons.

(10 Nov 2021, 6:52 pm)ifm001 wrote Was it not South Tyneside Council who paid for thr Euro 6, as only 1 service serves County Durham but both services serve South Tyneside

This is my understanding too.

Is it a condition of the funding that any vehicles used to replace those that have benefited must be of the same Euro rating?

I know there is the potentially a note to say that the vehicles must operate mainly in the council area for however long, but not sure if they can really control the company's fleet plans long term once this period has ended.

(10 Nov 2021, 6:58 pm)S813 FVK wrote This is my understanding too.

Is it a condition of the funding that any vehicles used to replace those that have benefited must be of the same Euro rating?

I know there is the potentially a note to say that the vehicles must operate mainly in the council area for however long, but not sure if they can really control the company's fleet plans long term once this period has ended.

Didn't get done in 2019, so that will be around 3 yrs. And they could be sold to A-line, or just act as Spares or Deptford/Washington/Peterlee

(10 Nov 2021, 6:40 pm)Keeiajs wrote But what else do they have that is Euro 6. 
Does anyone know how much a Euro 6 converstion actually is?

After a little Googling it looks South Tyneside Council were given £133,000 to improve 8 of GNE and SC's buses, so that's about £17k each.
Not sure if that's the full cost or just STC's contribution towards it though

(10 Nov 2021, 7:10 pm)streetdeckfan wrote After a little Googling it looks South Tyneside Council were given £133,000 to improve 8 of GNE and SC's buses, so that's about £17k each.
Not sure if that's the full cost or just STC's contribution towards it though

Bloody Hell, I didn't realise it was that expensive, and I believe STC just contribute.

But the PVR for the 50/26 is 12 or 14, so GNE did pay for a few themselves it seems.

(10 Nov 2021, 7:15 pm)Keeiajs wrote Bloody Hell, I didn't realise it was that expensive, and I believe STC just contribute.

But the PVR for the 50/26 is 12 or 14, so GNE did pay for a few themselves it seems.

There were more buses than that, but it didn't specify the cost for the full batch, just that it was £133k for the extra 8

(10 Nov 2021, 7:18 pm)streetdeckfan wrote There were more buses than that, but it didn't specify the cost for the full batch, just that it was £133k for the extra 8

it is still quite expensive, i can see why independent will struggle

(10 Nov 2021, 6:57 pm)Keeiajs wrote But what streetlites will they use? My first thoughts are the 15' plates or drifters for obvious reasons.

In theory the 9 electrics entering service at Riverside should release some Euro 6 Streetlites without a role. After they're in service on paper there's 18 buses for the 6/12/12A plus 5438 - 5441 I'm sure could be nabbed if needed (depending on who done the mods).

There's enough around if needed. The 15 plates are for the 49/49A and other Gateshead locals.

(10 Nov 2021, 8:24 pm)Storx wrote In theory the 9 electrics entering service at Riverside should release some Euro 6 Streetlites without a role. After they're in service on paper there's 18 buses for the 6/12/12A plus 5438 - 5441 I'm sure could be nabbed if needed (depending on who done the mods).

There's enough around if needed. The 15 plates are for the 49/49A and other Gateshead locals.

Those electric buses are to be put on the 57 (for some reason) and they have MB's.

(10 Nov 2021, 6:53 pm)JP6004 wrote Least they not bound to the same terms of stupidity as gateshead and Sunderland, whereby the operator had to keep the vehicles on Gateshead/sunderland route for 5yrs....least they can replace the omnis with younger euro 6 vehicles and not be penalised for it

To be fair, they knew exactly what they were getting in to when they signed the agreement for the mods. 
Quite why they did it and why they thought that it was a good idea, is another matter.

(10 Nov 2021, 6:52 pm)ifm001 wrote Was it not South Tyneside Council who paid for thr Euro 6, as only 1 service serves County Durham but both services serve South Tyneside

Was South Tyneside, I do tend to recognise Counties rather than unitary authorities! I always use Co. Durham in address lines!

(10 Nov 2021, 8:43 pm)Keeiajs wrote Those electric buses are to be put on the 57 (for some reason) and they have MB's.

The Mercedes are (or will be when the 15 plates move across from Deptford) withdrawn. They we're swapped pretty much with them going on the 35/55 - not sure which hence the ones not needed are all up for sale.

(10 Nov 2021, 9:25 pm)Storx wrote The Mercedes are (or will be when the 15 plates move across from Deptford) withdrawn. They we're swapped pretty much with them going on the 35/55 - not sure which hence the ones not needed are all up for sale.

Yeah, so they will replace with the 15' plate for 49/A/B/(C?). I am still struggling to find EUro 6 buses which they have spare for the 50/26

I’ve heard Streetlites replacing the Omnicitys but that’s not gonna work.
The 50 needs double deckers during summer were it can get packed during summer.
Possibly non Euro 6 vehicles from Riverside to Washington. We still have until 2023 before they are all gone.
Versas would work well or Mercs

(10 Nov 2021, 9:31 pm)Keeiajs wrote Yeah, so they will replace with the 15' plate for 49/A/B/(C?). I am still struggling to find EUro 6 buses which they have spare for the 50/26

If I'm right it's going to be like this for the single deckers:

49/49A/67/69 | 5411 - 5419 (E5)
6/12/12A/57 | 5452 - 5469 (E6)
96/97 | 5488 - 5497 (E6)
Q3 | 5380 - 5388 (E6)
53/54 | 8801 - 8808 (E6)
X66 | 5501 - 5503 (E5)
Spares / H / 33 | 5377 - 5379, 5389, 5390, 5498 - 5500, 8809 (E6)
Spares | 5440, 5504 (E5)
Unknown | 8304 - 8318 (E4/E5/E6)

Once the new electrics come in then it's going to displace buses out the red possibly more than 9, I don't believe the PVR of the 6/12/12A is 9. You could replace the E5's but that wouldn't make much sense then you'd just have 5411 - 5419 with nowhere to go instead. I might have missed a route but don't believe I have.

(10 Nov 2021, 7:15 pm)Keeiajs wrote Bloody Hell, I didn't realise it was that expensive, and I believe STC just contribute.

But the PVR for the 50/26 is 12 or 14, so GNE did pay for a few themselves it seems.

(10 Nov 2021, 9:54 pm)Storx wrote If I'm right it's going to be like this for the single deckers:

49/49A/67/69 | 5411 - 5419 (E5)
6/12/12A/57 | 5452 - 5469 (E6)
96/97 | 5488 - 5497 (E6)
Q3 | 5380 - 5388 (E6)
53/54 | 8801 - 8808 (E6)
X66 | 5501 - 5503 (E5)
Spares / H / 33 | 5377 - 5379, 5389, 5390, 5498 - 5500, 8809 (E6)
Spares | 5440, 5504 (E5)
Unknown | 8304 - 8318 (E4/E5/E6)

Once the new electrics come in then it's going to displace buses out the red possibly more than 9, I don't believe the PVR of the 6/12/12A is 9. You could replace the E5's but that wouldn't make much sense then you'd just have 5411 - 5419 with nowhere to go instead. I might have missed a route but don't believe I have.

The PVR of the 26/50 is 11 not 12-14 and similarly the PVR of the 6/12/12A is 11 I believe following the Lanchester extension. If 9 Streetlites were freed up by the new electrics then you'd still be a couple short to meet the 26/50 PVR - unless the stipulation would be for just the 8 vehicles funded by the council to be replaced, in which case that would be achievable.

(10 Nov 2021, 10:12 pm)peter wrote The PVR of the 26/50 is 11 not 12-14 and similarly the PVR of the 6/12/12A is 11 I believe following the Lanchester extension. If 9 Streetlites were freed up by the new electrics then you'd still be a couple short to meet the 26/50 PVR - unless the stipulation would be for just the 8 vehicles funded by the council to be replaced, in which case that would be achievable.

There might also be mixed allocation of DD and SD, as there few boards that are DD. Also not that big if a deal since the red arrows was a mix of SD and DD in 2011

(10 Nov 2021, 10:12 pm)peter wrote The PVR of the 26/50 is 11 not 12-14 and similarly the PVR of the 6/12/12A is 11 I believe following the Lanchester extension. If 9 Streetlites were freed up by the new electrics then you'd still be a couple short to meet the 26/50 PVR - unless the stipulation would be for just the 8 vehicles funded by the council to be replaced, in which case that would be achievable.

Yeah that's fair, just worked it out that seems right. Mind JP6004 made a good suggestion about Decker's. It could certainly explain why the Euro 6 deckers have been pulled off the X5/X15 when arguably they weren't all needed.

5463 - 5469 (SD)
6301 - 6304 (DD)

For the 26/50 maybe?

Leaving the 11 66 plates at Riverside to run the 6/12/12A would work nicely with anything at Washington to act as spares for the 50 since they don't need to be Euro 6 cost wise.

But aren't they planned on getting branding, I remember someone saying that the NSA says 'City Coaster', but I could see the double Deckers been put on it, the 50 could do with them, the 26 no so much. You could interwork the 9/5/26. Which would be really long like. or the 20/26.

(10 Nov 2021, 11:05 pm)Keeiajs wrote But aren't they planned on getting branding, I remember someone saying that the NSA says 'City Coaster', but I could see the double Deckers been put on it, the 50 could do with them, the 26 no so much. You could interwork the 9/5/26. Which would be really long like. or the 20/26.

Dan said the City Connect doesn't exist

(10 Nov 2021, 10:56 pm)Storx wrote Yeah that's fair, just worked it out that seems right. Mind JP6004 made a good suggestion about Decker's. It could certainly explain why the Euro 6 deckers have been pulled off the X5/X15 when arguably they weren't all needed.

5463 - 5469 (SD)
6301 - 6304 (DD)

For the 26/50 maybe?

Leaving the 11 66 plates at Riverside to run the 6/12/12A would work nicely with anything at Washington to act as spares for the 50 since they don't need to be Euro 6 cost wise.

The B5H would of been ideal if they were all euro 6, they shorter than standard DD but does give a necessary capacity increase. Guess we'll just have to wait and see. But does seem 50 getting busier lately. Least 80 % full last few times I've been on

(10 Nov 2021, 11:25 pm)Train8261 wrote Dan said the City Connect doesn't exist

I do remember someone bringing up on the 50/26 that they now have a name, no the city connect (which I think 6/12 should be branded) but the 'City Coaster'

(10 Nov 2021, 11:33 pm)JP6004 wrote The B5H would of been ideal if they were all euro 6, they shorter than standard DD but does give a necessary capacity increase. Guess we'll just have to wait and see. But does seem 50 getting busier lately. Least 80 % full last few times I've been on

Aye totally agreed, it's a shame the conversions obviously haven't gone well and they've been pretty much dumped on services that tbh don't really need them but there's just no-where else to put them. Quite like them tbh.

(10 Nov 2021, 11:05 pm)Keeiajs wrote But aren't they planned on getting branding, I remember someone saying that the NSA says 'City Coaster', but I could see the double Deckers been put on it, the 50 could do with them, the 26 no so much. You could interwork the 9/5/26. Which would be really long like. or the 20/26.

Possibly one for the future when they've sorted out whatever is going onto it. There's not much point interworking the 5/9/26 though as the driver hours would be too long so you'd have to swap drivers in South Shields anyway, believe the 20 would be similar. If you we're going to do that you might aswell get some minibuses and just run it by itself. It's probably all it needs really.