A thread for every upcoming service changes.

I take it the next set of service changes will be in January, with the X85 being withdrawn from service.

(20 Dec 2021, 2:45 pm)Keeiajs wrote I take it the next set of service changes will be in January, with the X85 being withdrawn from service.

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(20 Dec 2021, 2:54 pm)L469 YVK wrote No changes been submitted yet.

I would order 6 E200's for the X84/85 

And I would keep the X84 the way it is. 

And Send X85 via Metrocentre, NCL Business Park, Blaydon, (this may get a lot of hate just a thought) straight upto Consett, A68, Corbridge, Hexham

(20 Dec 2021, 3:01 pm)Keeiajs wrote I would order 6 E200's for the X84/85 

And I would keep the X84 the way it is. 

And Send X85 via Metrocentre, NCL Business Park, Blaydon, (this may get a lot of hate just a thought) straight upto Consett, A68, Corbridge, Hexham

Do you know how far out of the way Consett is?

(20 Dec 2021, 3:01 pm)Keeiajs wrote I would order 6 E200's for the X84/85

When did they start planting and harvesting money trees, instead of running buses?

(20 Dec 2021, 3:12 pm)Dan wrote When did they start planting and harvesting money trees, instead of running buses?

Its easy to spend other peoples ££££££

What i'd like to know is why is he making a thread for something that already exists?

(20 Dec 2021, 5:55 pm)V514DFT wrote What i'd like to know is why is he making a thread for something that already exists?

He has a name, and also afaik there has only been Sept Services Changes, Nov or Oct (can't remember which one) so i thought I would create a new one to discuss all the current ones.

(20 Dec 2021, 6:04 pm)Keeiajs wrote He has a name, and also afaik there has only been Sept Services Changes, Nov or Oct (can't remember which one) so i thought I would create a new one to discuss all the current ones.

There isn’t any current ones

(20 Dec 2021, 6:35 pm)Wybus wrote There isn’t any current ones

There really is some upcoming....

(20 Dec 2021, 6:57 pm)Keeiajs wrote There really is some upcoming....

Hopefully it will involve diverting the X72 via the Metrocentre and restoring a link between it and Annfield Plain.   New number 7?

If you have to have an X72, replace the short 6 terminating at Stanley.

None of the X30s and X31s going via Gateshead is just nuts too.

(23 Dec 2021, 12:46 am)DH9 wrote Hopefully it will involve diverting the X72 via the Metrocentre and restoring a link between it and Annfield Plain.   New number 7?

If you have to have an X72, replace the short 6 terminating at Stanley.

None of the X30s and X31s going via Gateshead is just nuts too.

Might aswell just bring back the 43/44 if doing that. There's been umpeen changes and everytime they're getting closer to where it all started anyway. Can't really remember anyone ever complaining about the routes either (excluding delays).

(23 Dec 2021, 12:45 pm)Storx wrote Might aswell just bring back the 43/44 if doing that. There's been umpeen changes and everytime they're getting closer to where it all started anyway. Can't really remember anyone ever complaining about the routes either (excluding delays).

I remember the Gateshead stuff whcih I agree on. 

However I agree, most of the complaints are that a lot Consett services especially the ones Via the Metro into Newcastle are late. 
Thsi was a few weeks ago, but someone I know told me that they were stuck on the X46 from Metrocetnre to Newcastle for 45 mins.

(23 Dec 2021, 12:48 pm)Keeiajs wrote I remember the Gateshead stuff whcih I agree on. 

However I agree, most of the complaints are that a lot Consett services especially the ones Via the Metro into Newcastle are late. 
Thsi was a few weeks ago, but someone I know told me that they were stuck on the X46 from Metrocetnre to Newcastle for 45 mins.

Any unexpected extreme traffic is outside of GNE's control. They can't account for everything although where they know there's certain pinchpoints, they can routinely time for that.

If a major RTC happened on the A1 or A19, the X21/X10 would get caught out even with layover in Newcastle.

(23 Dec 2021, 3:44 pm)L469 YVK wrote Any unexpected extreme traffic is outside of GNE's control. They can't account for everything although where they know there's certain pinchpoints, they can routinely time for that.

If a major RTC happened on the A1 or A19, the X21/X10 would get caught out even with layover in Newcastle.

We ended up getting into Gateshead/Newcastle about 25 mins late yesterday due to traffic at Bishop Auckland retail park and the A1. By the time the X21 got to Tindale it was already 12 mins late, it spent most of that time getting between Tesco and the retail park roundabout!

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Martijn confirms, the X9 withdrawn replaced by the X10 (will do the X10E route)

X84/X85 - X85 withdrawn and X84 renumbered 684 - times to change to work with other operators

(23 Dec 2021, 6:49 pm)Michael wrote https://www.facebook.com/100009920923911...2637956404

4:38

Martijn confirms, the X9 withdrawn replaced by the X10 (will do the X10E route)

X84/X85 - X85 withdrawn and X84 renumbered 684 - times to change to work with other operators

Wonder what else will be changing in january.

(23 Dec 2021, 6:49 pm)Michael wrote https://www.facebook.com/100009920923911...2637956404

4:38

Martijn confirms, the X9 withdrawn replaced by the X10 (will do the X10E route)

X84/X85 - X85 withdrawn and X84 renumbered 684 - times to change to work with other operators

Wonder if the 684 might join the Cross Pennine routing (branding is dead). So you can use all 3 operator tickets on it by the choice of number.

Xlines brand is dropping like flies -

Any guesses of what is next, mine is firmly with the X5/X15

Genuinely nervous about any other changes that may happen,he only mentioned 2 services

(23 Dec 2021, 7:34 pm)Keeiajs wrote Xlines brand is dropping like flies -

Any guesses of what is next, mine is firmly with the X5/X15

Not really, X84/X85 is the first X-lines brand to go completely, and only the second Xlines 'corridor' to go, after the X6/X7.
I think we can all agree that the X47 should never have existed in the first place, and was probably only in the Xlines brand for operational reasons.

The X9 was essentially just a variation of the X10, and is just being consolidated into the X10 full time

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(23 Dec 2021, 7:49 pm)V514DFT wrote Genuinely nervous about any other changes that may happen,he only mentioned 2 services

I wonder if the X21 extension to West Auckland, and the 21 extension to Brandon will stick around. They seem like easy targets.
Honestly, if they cut the X21 back to Bishop, that's me done

(23 Dec 2021, 7:49 pm)V514DFT wrote Genuinely nervous about any other changes that may happen,he only mentioned 2 services

If I was in Peterlee I would be worried. 

I can see services which were every 10 mins e.g 60/20/56 moving upto every 15 and 20.

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(23 Dec 2021, 7:49 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Not really, X84/X85 is the first X-lines brand to go completely, and only the second Xlines 'corridor' to go, after the X6/X7.
I think we can all agree that the X47 should never have existed in the first place, and was probably only in the Xlines brand for operational reasons.

The X9 was essentially just a variation of the X10, and is just being consolidated into the X10 full time

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I wonder if the X21 extension to West Auckland, and the 21 extension to Brandon will stick around. They seem like easy targets.
Honestly, if they cut the X21 back to Bishop, that's me done

I think West Aukland one will. However I think 21 to Brandon should either be every hour, or a extra service to Durham per hour from NCL

(23 Dec 2021, 7:49 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Not really, X84/X85 is the first X-lines brand to go completely, and only the second Xlines 'corridor' to go, after the X6/X7.
I think we can all agree that the X47 should never have existed in the first place, and was probably only in the Xlines brand for operational reasons.

The X9 was essentially just a variation of the X10, and is just being consolidated into the X10 full time

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Something says that the X84/X85 isn't all purely numbers based and is to do with the Bus Partnership. At the end of the day it was about removing duplication and buses doing the same route and the 685/X85 done exactly that, they even had the same number for Arriva's old express one per day journey.

If one bus had to continue along there it was always going to be the 685. The number to 684 and 'timing with other operators' suggests it's more than outright scrapping. Maybe we might see GNE tickets accepted on the 685 and Arriva/Stagecoach tickets on the 684. It would be a better service for everyone. The 685 sticks out like a sore thumb anyway so it's not like GNE are giving money away to Arriva / Stagecoach in the Hexham area.

There's other corridors where that could work aswell.

X12/X21 and 306/308/309/310/311 being the two most noticeable.

(23 Dec 2021, 8:06 pm)Storx wrote Something says that the X84/X85 isn't all purely numbers based and is to do with the Bus Partnership. At the end of the day it was about removing duplication and buses doing the same route and the 685/X85 done exactly that, they even had the same number for Arriva's old express one per day journey.

If one bus had to continue along there it was always going to be the 685. The number to 684 and 'timing with other operators' suggests it's more than outright scrapping. Maybe we might see GNE tickets accepted on the 685 and Arriva/Stagecoach tickets on the 684. It would be a better service for everyone. The 685 sticks out like a sore thumb anyway so it's not like GNE are giving money away to Arriva / Stagecoach in the Hexham area.

There's other corridors where that could work aswell.

X12/X21 and 306/308/309/310/311 being the two most noticeable.

I'd also add the X21/6 as well. If GNE either cant be arsed, or can't afford to run the X21 to West Auckland on evenings or Sundays, at least work with Arriva to allow passengers to use either service. 
It was honestly so handy being able to use either back when there was mutual ticket acceptance on common routes!

(23 Dec 2021, 7:49 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Not really, X84/X85 is the first X-lines brand to go completely, and only the second Xlines 'corridor' to go, after the X6/X7.
I think we can all agree that the X47 should never have existed in the first place, and was probably only in the Xlines brand for operational reasons.

The X9 was essentially just a variation of the X10, and is just being consolidated into the X10 full time

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I wonder if the X21 extension to West Auckland, and the 21 extension to Brandon will stick around. They seem like easy targets.
Honestly, if they cut the X21 back to Bishop, that's me done

The x9 came onto the scene as GNE took over OK Travel and inherited there 211 service between Peterlee and Middlesbrough via billingham , so be it not via wingate and extended the service to Newcastle, depending if it starts to pick up again due to the pandemic, there probably be alot more service cuts soon when the the government withdraws the funding to the bus industry and services will be scaled back dramatically


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(23 Dec 2021, 8:15 pm)streetdeckfan wrote I'd also add the X21/6 as well. If GNE either cant be arsed, or can't afford to run the X21 to West Auckland on evenings or Sundays, at least work with Arriva to allow passengers to use either service. 
It was honestly so handy being able to use either back when there was mutual ticket acceptance on common routes!

Aye agreed I believe you can use Stagecoach or Arriva tickets on the whole route anyway with the 684/685, so it would kinda work anyway but you'd have to get an Arriva ticket instead. I'm not sure how often your up here using local GNE services but guess it would be cheaper for you that way round. Mind if they did do the 6/X21 I'd say scrap the X21 to West Auckland since you can just change with your ticket at Bishop, could even make it more express and run limited stop between Durham and Bishop.

It would also mean you'd get a GNE service effectively going to Middlesbrough aswell if you can use them on the X12. Win win for both imo.

There's a few round. All operators to the Metro Centre would be a good one aswell, like we've seen with Stagecoach right now. So you can use any operator ticket between the Metro Centre and Newcastle or Gateshead. The 1/22 is another so you could use the Little Coasters and connect with more services.

(23 Dec 2021, 8:06 pm)Storx wrote Something says that the X84/X85 isn't all purely numbers based and is to do with the Bus Partnership. At the end of the day it was about removing duplication and buses doing the same route and the 685/X85 done exactly that, they even had the same number for Arriva's old express one per day journey. 

If one bus had to continue along there it was always going to be the 685. The number to 684 and 'timing with other operators' suggests it's more than outright scrapping. Maybe we might see GNE tickets accepted on the 685 and Arriva/Stagecoach tickets on the 684. It would be a better service for everyone. The 685 sticks out like a sore thumb anyway so it's not like GNE are giving money away to Arriva / Stagecoach in the Hexham area.

There's other corridors where that could work aswell.

X12/X21 and 306/308/309/310/311 being the two most noticeable.

Not convinced myself. 

Pretty sure it's a fall out of the coaches on the X9/10 not quite working (driver availability, vehicle reliability & costs and maybe one or two other factors).
The X85 is a victim as a result of GNE needing high spec vehicles to fill the gap left by the coaches imo. Coupled with it maybe not making as much money as they anticipated.

The drivers don't need much familiarity training for the E400s either, meaning a lot more flexibility resource wise.

(23 Dec 2021, 8:15 pm)streetdeckfan wrote I'd also add the X21/6 as well. If GNE either cant be arsed, or can't afford to run the X21 to West Auckland on evenings or Sundays, at least work with Arriva to allow passengers to use either service. 
It was honestly so handy being able to use either back when there was mutual ticket acceptance on common routes!

Isn't the Network One All Zone Plus avaliable for exactly this scenario?

(23 Dec 2021, 9:36 pm)DeltaMan wrote Isn't the Network One All Zone Plus avaliable for exactly this scenario?

Not really, it's still massively overpriced for what I would need. It's cheaper for me to buy my regular GNE ticket then pay for Arriva singles when I need it!