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(21 Nov 2022, 1:03 am)ALavery wrote have you seen the state of the low height streetdecks? ?
(30 Nov 2022, 6:03 pm)V514DFT wrote I'd drop the TB off of the TB14 and just have it numbered 14
(01 Dec 2022, 12:29 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote Heres a new ideaI would extend it to Esh Winning or Durham to turn around easier, also just take it the other way around Ouston from the way the 34 goes.
Service 65 (Hourly)
Perkinsville, Pelton, Hilda Park, Chester-Le-Street, Pelton Fell, Blackhouse, Holmside, Burnhope, Maiden Law, Lanchester, Cornsay Colliery.
I've numbered it 65, but change it if you would leave the Seaham - Durham 65 as currently.
Would be allocated something that has the turning circle of a medium-sized van, due to tightish turn arounds at both Perkinsville & Cornsay Colliery.
(30 Nov 2022, 6:44 pm)Storx wrote It's ran by a taxi, hence the TB - stands for Taxi BusYeah i know
https://www.renaultgroup.com/en/news-on-...-bus-2019/ - Those run them.
There'd be some very confused passengers if they didn't know.
(11 Dec 2022, 10:12 pm)Unber43 wrote Silver ArrowsSo you'd have 5 21's?
2 - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Pennywell - Hastings Hill - Harraton - Lambton - Washington Galleries - Parkway - Bradley Square - Concord - Usworth - Coach Road Estate - B&Q - Oxclose - Washington Galleries - Biddick - Grindon - Hylton - Royal Hospital - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
3 - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Hylton - Grindon - Biddick - Washington Galleries - Oxclose - B&Q - Coach Road Estate - Usworth - Concord - Bradley Square - Parkway - Washington Galleries - Biddick - Grindon - Hylton - Royal Hospital - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
X2 Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Penshaw - Shiney Row - A183 - A182 - Washington Galleries (every 30 mins)
Connections 4/4A/X4
X4 - Sunderland - Ryhope - Silksworth - Moorside - Hall Farm - Doxford Park - Follingsby - Heworth - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 30 mins)
4 - Heworth - Concord - Washington - Houghton Le Spring - Doxford Park - Farringdon - Gilley Law - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
4A - Heworth - Concord - Washington - Houghton Le Spring - Doxford Park - Ryhope - Sunderland (replace the 39A) (every 30 mins)
Prince Bishop 20|20A|X20
20 - Sunderland - Farringdon - East Herrington - Houghton - East Rainton - West Rainton - Durham - Ushaw Moor (every 30 mins)
20A - Sunderland - Thorney Close - Newbottle - Houghton - Rainton Bridge - East Rainton - West Rainton - Durham - Bowburn (every 30 mins)
X20 - Sunderland - A690 - Doxford Park (Peak) - Houghton - A690 - Durham - Arnison Centre - Sacriston - Witton Gilbert - Langley Park (every 30 mins)
Angel 21
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Waldridge Park (every 60 mins)
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Ouston (every 60 mins)
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Great Lumley - Houghton - Seaham (every 60 mins) [71 Withdrawn]
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Arnison Centre - Durham - Brandon (every 30 mins)
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Arnison Centre - Durham - Bowburn (every 30 mins)
35/36
35 - Low Moorsley - Hetton-Le-Hole - Philadelphia - Penshaw - Grindon - Thorney Close - Royal Hospital - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
36 - South Hetton - Easington Lane - A690 - Houghton-Le-Spring - B1404 - Hall Farm - Doxford Park - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
55|55A
55 - Doxford Park - Royal Hospital - Sunderland - High Southwick - Witherwack - Red House - Downhill - Town House Farm - Follingsby - Heworth
55A - Sunderland - Castletown - Southwick - Bolden
62
Sunderland - Thornhill - Plains Farm - Doxford Park - A19 - New Seaham - Seaham - Dawdon - Murton (every 60 mins)
East Durham Explorer 65
65 - Seaham - Dalton Park - Murton - Hetton-Le-Hole - Durham - Arnison Centre (64 Route) (every 30 mins)
You could also do more routes to Newcastle from Sunderland through various areas and they may even be quicker than the metro.
(11 Dec 2022, 11:00 pm)Unber43 wrote Tbf the same thing was done with the X1 having 3 different dests with the same number. Easington Lane, Peterlee, Dalton Park.
(11 Dec 2022, 11:50 pm)omnicity4659 wrote But only along two routes after Hetton-le-Hole, now down to one with the Easington Lane services effectively being 'shorts' of the full X1.Fair..however I think 21/21A/21B/21C/21D would be way confusing
You're proposing 5 variations of 1 service, which would pretty much serve every part of County Durham after Chester-le-Street...
(11 Dec 2022, 10:12 pm)Unber43 wrote Red Arrow X1|X1A
X1 - Newcastle - Gateshead - QEH - Washington Galleries - Houghton - Hetton-Le-Hole - Easington Lane (every 30 mins)
X1 - Newcastle - Gateshead - QEH - Washington Galleries - Houghton - Hetton-Le-Hole - Easington Lane - Peterlee - 209 Route (every 60 mins)
X1A - Newcastle - Gateshead - QEH - Washington Galleries - Houghton - Hetton-Le-Hole - Easington Lane - Peterlee - 210 Route (every 60 mins)
Silver Arrows 2|3|X2|X3
2 - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Pennywell - Hastings Hill - Harraton - Lambton - Washington Galleries - Parkway - Bradley Square - Concord - Usworth - Coach Road Estate - B&Q - Oxclose - Washington Galleries - Biddick - Grindon - Hylton - Royal Hospital - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
3 - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Hylton - Grindon - Biddick - Washington Galleries - Oxclose - B&Q - Coach Road Estate - Usworth - Concord - Bradley Square - Parkway - Washington Galleries - Biddick - Grindon - Hylton - Royal Hospital - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
X2 Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Penshaw - Shiney Row - A183 - A182 - Washington Galleries - Blackworth - Heworth - Newcastle (every 30 mins)
X3 Sunderland - A690 - Farringdon - A19 - A1231 - Washington - A1 - Team Valley - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 60 mins)
Connections 4|4A/|4
X4 - Sunderland - Ryhope - Silksworth - Moorside - Hall Farm - Doxford Park - Follingsby - Heworth - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 30 mins)
4 - Heworth - Concord - Washington - Houghton Le Spring - Doxford Park - Farringdon - Gilley Law - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
4A - Heworth - Concord - Washington - Houghton Le Spring - Doxford Park - Ryhope - Sunderland (replace the 39A) (every 30 mins)
County Ranger 8|8A
8 - Stanley - Chester-Le-Street - Washington - Sunderland (every 60 mins)
8A - Stanley - Chester-Le-Street - Washington - Hylton Castle - Red House - Sunderland (every 60 mins)
Prince Bishop 20|20A|X20
20 - Sunderland - Farringdon - East Herrington - Houghton - East Rainton - West Rainton - Durham - Ushaw Moor (every 30 mins)
20A - Sunderland - Thorney Close - Newbottle - Houghton - Rainton Bridge - East Rainton - West Rainton - Durham - Bowburn (every 30 mins)
X20 - Sunderland - A690 - Doxford Park (Peak) - Houghton - A690 - Durham - Arnison Centre - Sacriston - Witton Gilbert - Langley Park (every 30 mins)
Angel 21
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street (every 60 mins)
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Waldridge Park (every 60 mins)
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Ouston (every 60 mins)
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Great Lumley - Houghton - Seaham (every 60 mins) [71 Withdrawn]
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Arnison Centre - Durham - Bowburn (every 30 mins)
Angel 22
22 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Team Valley - Birtley - Chester-Le-Street - Durham - Brandon (every 30 mins)
South Tyneside Connect
24 - Sunderland - Cleadon - South Shields (every 15 mins)
24A - Sunderland - Roker - Fulwell - Whitburn - Marsden - Horsey Hill - South Shields (every 20 mins)
26 - South Shields - South Tyneside Hospital - Jarrow - Hebburn - Lukes Lane (every 30 mins)
23 - Jarrow - Boldon - East Boldon - Cleadon - Chichester - South Shields (every 30 mins)
35|36
35 - Low Moorsley - Hetton-Le-Hole - Philadelphia - Penshaw - Grindon - Thorney Close - Royal Hospital - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
36 - South Hetton - Easington Lane - A690 - Houghton-Le-Spring - B1404 - Hall Farm - Doxford Park - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
Orbit 37|38
37 - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Pennywell - Hylton Road - Ford Estate - Pallion - Sunderland (every 15 mins)
38 - Sunderland - Pallion - Ford Estate - Hylton Road - Pennywell - Royal Hospital - Sunderland (every 15 mins)
Doxford Park Clipper 39|40
39 - Sunderland - Grangetown - Silksworth - Doxford Park (every 30 mins)
40 - Sunderland - Grangetown - Hollycarrside - Hollycarrside Drive - Silksworth - Doxford Park (every 30 mins) (Optare Solo)
Simplicity 41|42
41 - Sunderland - Toward Road - Queen Alexandra Road - Leechmere Asda - Silksworth - A690 - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
42 - Sunderland - A690 - Silksworth - Leechmere Asda - Queen Alexandra Road - Toward Road - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
Wear Ranger 55|55A
55 - Doxford Park - Royal Hospital - Sunderland - High Southwick - Witherwack - Red House - Downhill - Town House Farm - Follingsby - Heworth (every 30 mins)
55A - Sunderland - Castletown - Southwick - Bolden (every 30 mins)
Drifter (Purple) 61
61 - Murton - Dalton Park - New Seaham - Queen Alexandra Road - The Cedars - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
Drifter (Dark Blue) 62
62 - Sunderland - Thornhill - Plains Farm - Doxford Park - A19 - New Seaham - Seaham - Dawdon - Murton (every 60 mins)
East Durham Explorer 65
65 - Seaham - Dalton Park - Murton - Hetton-Le-Hole - Durham - Arnison Centre (64 Route) (every 30 mins)
You could also do more routes to Newcastle from Sunderland through various areas and they may even be quicker than the metro.
I also feel like the Peterlee Network could be incorporated into bigger services..however I have no real idea how to do it without it being very confusing such as (201|206|209|210)
(12 Dec 2022, 9:11 pm)V514DFT wrote If anything, i'd look at the old 21A/21B, and see if it can be incorporated to meet the demands in 2022,if that makes sense
(12 Dec 2022, 3:52 am)Drifter60 wrote I mean I do love reading some of these suggestions!I merged it with the 21 as it would get to Newcastle hopefully within about 90-100 mins, the 25 it would be 2 hours on a good day.
The 21 suggestion is confusing, no two ways about it. Although extensions to Bowburn (presumably via Shincliffe and then terminating at Amazon?) is a good idea, and the 71 being bolted onto a 21 isn’t a *bad idea*, as it would open new connections. Buses direct to Newcastle, Gateshead, Birtley etc across the 71 route would be good however keep the 21 out of it, merging the 25 with 71 would be a better solution, appreciating they’re both secured services these days but it would maybe be a decent idea if local authorities could work together to offer a more joined up network. I don’t see they need for Waldridge or Ouston extensions although I’m guessing it was at the expense of the 34? But I’m not sure that really works. You’re also proposing doubling the number of 21s (or 22s) between Durham and CLS, if you’re sending 2 buses to Brandon and 2 buses to Bowburn each hour.
There’s a few white elephants in your suggestions. What’s the point in this 55 route? The 62 route also, who’s that for? No one in Seaham or Murton are going to Sunderland city centre on your 62 proposal as it’ll take a good chunk longer than a 60 and 61 would. So the next question is there really a need for anyone in Seaham or Murton to want to go to Plains Farm or Thornhill? I’m thinking no. And as for a direct link to Doxford, I’m not sure it’s needed when connections to Doxford are relatively easily done at Ryhope. Not to mention those from Murton will probably find it’s quicker to get a 61/39 than travel via Dawdon and Seaham before even getting to New Seaham!
A few of your suggestions, whilst I appreciate what you’re doing, are replacing mini bus solo operated route into larger double decker services, and I’m not sure a Xlines decker is needed around Horden Hall Estate or if direct connections to Newcastle are top of the list of what people need. I’d guess people in Peterlee would rather have more regular services to local communities in Easington, Blackhall, Shotton and South Hetton and perhaps better integration to the local main centres of Durham, Seaham and Hartlepool.
(12 Dec 2022, 9:47 pm)Unber43 wrote I merged it with the 21 as it would get to Newcastle hopefully within about 90-100 mins, the 25 it would be 2 hours on a good day.Most people catching the 209/210 just want to go to the town centre for their shopping and to catch up with the local gossip. There is a very good reason why these short distance but convoluted local services exist.
It would cut the 34 down to every 30 mins, cutting the PVR by 1 to 2.
55/62 were to become local links to Doxford from Seaham and Murton which they're missing, and the 55 to create a quick services to sunderland at a high frequency instead of going straight down the A690.
209/210 was to try and get more people to use the bus as changing in peterlee isn't the best however if there was a service whcih they can get without changing it would probs attract them to use the bus more, if it did get added to the X1, it would still have links to Easington/Blackhall, South Hetton however I would try and incorporate all peterlee services into bigger services with better links.
(12 Dec 2022, 9:48 pm)nova347 wrote What was the old 21A/21B?
(12 Dec 2022, 10:54 pm)BusLoverMum wrote Most people catching the 209/210 just want to go to the town centre for their shopping and to catch up with the local gossip. There is a very good reason why these short distance but convoluted local services exist.
(12 Dec 2022, 10:54 pm)BusLoverMum wrote Most people catching the 209/210 just want to go to the town centre for their shopping and to catch up with the local gossip. There is a very good reason why these short distance but convoluted local services exist.There would be no change of route, just a connection added.
(11 Dec 2022, 10:12 pm)Unber43 wrote 21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street (every 60 mins)
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Waldridge Park (every 60 mins)
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Ouston (every 60 mins)
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Great Lumley - Houghton - Seaham (every 60 mins) [71 Withdrawn]
21 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Arnison Centre - Durham - Bowburn (every 30 mins)
Angel 22
22 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Team Valley - Birtley - Chester-Le-Street - Durham - Brandon (every 30 mins)
(12 Dec 2022, 9:48 pm)nova347 wrote What was the old 21A/21B?
(13 Dec 2022, 7:07 am)cbma06 wrote 21A was the old 231/735 and just renumbered into the 21 series, originally the 231 was Newcastle to Hartlepool via Chester and Houghton and the 735 was Newcastle to Houghton via Chester, the 21A was half hourly between Newcastle and Houghton then hourly extension to Hartlepool.
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