(26 Dec 2022, 6:14 pm)KingSlayerRBLX wrote Thank You, I see that there is a few differences. Just gonna have to wait for the official post from GNE then

I mean the X30 won't be going to Consett as that's not what's registered. GNE's official post isn't going to say any different. 

What's shown on VOSA are the official registrations. Bustimes is essentially a data interface which presents government data, such as open data for tracking, and traffic commissioners registrations for service changes. So what you are seeing on Bustimes is the same data taken from VOSA, only because bustimes isn't perfect, a few errors can be made, including showing old route numbers, and incorrect destinations for combined registrations. Bustimes doesn't have some sort of secret intel, the differences are due to error.

The one thing they do tend to get right is the description of the changes. When a route change is made it's declared in the description, as with the 47 and 16. In this case, there is no given route change for the X71/72 or 78, just the timetable.

In response to some of the comments about lack of layover times on the Consett / Stanley to Newcastle services, I've managed to come up with the following without increasing the current PVR of 19x. All with sensible layover times.



Interworking patterns:
X71-X45-X45-X71 - PVR 5x 4hr24m
X72-X45-X45-X72 - PVR 5x 4hr33m - remote relief at Stanley
47-X30-X31-47 / 47-X31-X30-47 - PVR 9x 4hr16m

Current PVR (19x):
- X30/X31/X45 - 8x
- X71/X72 - 5x
- 47 - 6x

New PVR (19x):
- X45/X71/X72 - PVR 10x
- 47/X30/X31 - PVR 9x

Consett Euro 6 Fleet:
- 9x ADL E400MMC 6343-51 - 47/X30/X31
- 5x ADL E400MMC 6338-42 - X45/X71/X72
- 5x Volvo B5TL 6308-12 - X45/X71/X72

Consett Euro 6 Spares:
- ADL E400MMC - 6336, 6337
- Volvo B5TL - 6313, 6314

Other changes:
- 6334-35 - freed up
- 6043-48 - freed up >
- 6356-63 - X21

(26 Dec 2022, 7:12 pm)L469 YVK wrote In response to some of the comments about lack of layover times on the Consett / Stanley to Newcastle services, I've managed to come up with the following without increasing the current PVR of 19x. All with sensible layover times.



Interworking patterns:
X71-X45-X45-X71 - PVR 5x 4hr24m
X72-X45-X45-X72 - PVR 5x 4hr33m - remote relief at Stanley
47-X30-X31-47 / 47-X31-X30-47 - PVR 9x 4hr16m

Current PVR (19x):
- X30/X31/X45 - 8x
- X71/X72 - 5x
- 47 - 6x

New PVR (19x):
- X45/X71/X72 - PVR 10x
- 47/X30/X31 - PVR 9x

Consett Euro 6 Fleet:
- 9x ADL E400MMC 6343-51 - 47/X30/X31
- 5x ADL E400MMC 6338-42 - X45/X71/X72
- 5x Volvo B5TL 6308-12 - X45/X71/X72

Consett Euro 6 Spares:
- ADL E400MMC - 6336, 6337
- Volvo B5TL - 6313, 6314

Other changes:
- 6334-35 - freed up
- 6043-48 - freed up >
- 6356-63 - X21

Can that not be X45-X72-X72-X45, then they relieve at Consett. No remote travel time.

(26 Dec 2022, 7:37 pm)DeltaMan wrote Can that not be X45-X72-X72-X45, then they relieve at Consett. No remote travel time.

Couldn't be as the X71 also has a long layover, unless you wanted a driver sitting around doing nothing in Stanley for 27 minutes. 

Plus does the 6 not have remote changeovers at Stanley too?

(26 Dec 2022, 7:12 pm)L469 YVK wrote In response to some of the comments about lack of layover times on the Consett / Stanley to Newcastle services, I've managed to come up with the following without increasing the current PVR of 19x. All with sensible layover times.



Interworking patterns:
X71-X45-X45-X71 - PVR 5x 4hr24m
X72-X45-X45-X72 - PVR 5x 4hr33m - remote relief at Stanley
47-X30-X31-47 / 47-X31-X30-47 - PVR 9x 4hr16m

Current PVR (19x):
- X30/X31/X45 - 8x
- X71/X72 - 5x
- 47 - 6x

New PVR (19x):
- X45/X71/X72 - PVR 10x
- 47/X30/X31 - PVR 9x

Consett Euro 6 Fleet:
- 9x ADL E400MMC 6343-51 - 47/X30/X31
- 5x ADL E400MMC 6338-42 - X45/X71/X72
- 5x Volvo B5TL 6308-12 - X45/X71/X72

Consett Euro 6 Spares:
- ADL E400MMC - 6336, 6337
- Volvo B5TL - 6313, 6314

Other changes:
- 6334-35 - freed up
- 6043-48 - freed up >
- 6356-63 - X21

I don't think 4 spares is enough, also X21 should gain a PVR for reliability issues therefore they would need 6376/6377.

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(26 Dec 2022, 7:12 pm)L469 YVK wrote In response to some of the comments about lack of layover times on the Consett / Stanley to Newcastle services, I've managed to come up with the following without increasing the current PVR of 19x. All with sensible layover times.



Interworking patterns:
X71-X45-X45-X71 - PVR 5x 4hr24m
X72-X45-X45-X72 - PVR 5x 4hr33m - remote relief at Stanley
47-X30-X31-47 / 47-X31-X30-47 - PVR 9x 4hr16m

Current PVR (19x):
- X30/X31/X45 - 8x
- X71/X72 - 5x
- 47 - 6x

New PVR (19x):
- X45/X71/X72 - PVR 10x
- 47/X30/X31 - PVR 9x

Consett Euro 6 Fleet:
- 9x ADL E400MMC 6343-51 - 47/X30/X31
- 5x ADL E400MMC 6338-42 - X45/X71/X72
- 5x Volvo B5TL 6308-12 - X45/X71/X72

Consett Euro 6 Spares:
- ADL E400MMC - 6336, 6337
- Volvo B5TL - 6313, 6314

Other changes:
- 6334-35 - freed up
- 6043-48 - freed up >
- 6356-63 - X21

Layovers for the 47 again are too short I think its like 25 mins overall that isn't enough.

(26 Dec 2022, 8:07 pm)Unber43 wrote I don't think 4 spares is enough, also X21 should gain a PVR for reliability issues therefore they would need 6376/6377.

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Layovers for the 47 again are too short I think its like 25 mins overall that isn't enough.

One of 6334-35 could be used on the X21 if needing a PVR increase or 6376/77 as mentioned.

4x Euro 6 spares covering a Euro 6 PVR of 19x is way more than enough, and gives a spare ratio of around 1 for every 5 which is more than enough!

What sort of layovers do you expect? GNE don't have a bottomless pit of cash for extra drivers and resources in the PVR!

Consett: 00:35
Newcastle: 01:53
<7 min layover>
Newcastle: 02:00
Stanley: 02:38
<12 min layover>
Stanley: 02:50
Newcastle: 03:30
<8 min layover>
Newcastle: 03:38
Consett: 04:51
<14 min layover> 

That is 41 minutes of layover time in a 4hr16m cycle! Okay could maybe have a bit extra at Eldon Square with a re-jigg but would lead to stand congestion. Most interurban services typically get a 7-8 minute layover in Newcastle.

(26 Dec 2022, 8:27 pm)L469 YVK wrote One of 6334-35 could be used on the X21 if needing a PVR increase or 6376/77 as mentioned.

4x Euro 6 spares covering a Euro 6 PVR of 19x is way more than enough, and gives a spare ratio of around 1 for every 5 which is more than enough!

What sort of layovers do you expect? GNE don't have a bottomless pit of cash for extra drivers and resources in the PVR!

Consett: 00:35
Newcastle: 01:53
<7 min layover>
Newcastle: 02:00
Stanley: 02:38
<12 min layover>
Stanley: 02:50
Newcastle: 03:30
<8 min layover>
Newcastle: 03:38
Consett: 04:51
<14 min layover> 

That is 41 minutes of layover time in a 4hr16m cycle! Okay could maybe have a bit extra at Eldon Square with a re-jigg but would lead to stand congestion. Most interurban services typically get a 7-8 minute layover in Newcastle.

Thats the worst thing about Eldon Square, when a bus is late everything goes out of the window.

(26 Dec 2022, 7:12 pm)L469 YVK wrote In response to some of the comments about lack of layover times on the Consett / Stanley to Newcastle services, I've managed to come up with the following without increasing the current PVR of 19x. All with sensible layover times.



Interworking patterns:
X71-X45-X45-X71 - PVR 5x 4hr24m
X72-X45-X45-X72 - PVR 5x 4hr33m - remote relief at Stanley
47-X30-X31-47 / 47-X31-X30-47 - PVR 9x 4hr16m

Current PVR (19x):
- X30/X31/X45 - 8x
- X71/X72 - 5x
- 47 - 6x

New PVR (19x):
- X45/X71/X72 - PVR 10x
- 47/X30/X31 - PVR 9x

Consett Euro 6 Fleet:
- 9x ADL E400MMC 6343-51 - 47/X30/X31
- 5x ADL E400MMC 6338-42 - X45/X71/X72
- 5x Volvo B5TL 6308-12 - X45/X71/X72

Consett Euro 6 Spares:
- ADL E400MMC - 6336, 6337
- Volvo B5TL - 6313, 6314

Other changes:
- 6334-35 - freed up
- 6043-48 - freed up >
- 6356-63 - X21

The Consett X Lines network is crap now imo.

In my opinion there should be one express route, running on the lines of this every 20 minutes or so - https://www.google.com/maps/dir/54.83359...67!1m0!3e0 pushed in a similar way to what the X1 is like between Newcastle, Washington, Houghton and beyond.

With a bunch of slower routes hoovering up all the villages incorporating the 6, 16 between Stanley and Consett, X30/X31 between Whickham and Newcastle, X45, 47, X71, X72 and 78 between Stanley and Consett.

It's far too slow between Consett and Stanley to Gateshead and that route from Consett to Newcastle is no longer than the current X45 or X71 and would give Leadgate, Castleside and Anfield Plain a much much better service to the main place they actually want to go to.

(26 Dec 2022, 9:20 pm)Storx wrote The Consett X Lines network is crap now imo.

In my opinion there should be one express route, running on the lines of this every 20 minutes or so - https://www.google.com/maps/dir/54.83359...67!1m0!3e0 pushed in a similar way to what the X1 is like between Newcastle, Washington, Houghton and beyond.

With a bunch of slower routes hoovering up all the villages incorporating the 6, 16 between Stanley and Consett, X30/X31 between Whickham and Newcastle, X45, 47, X71, X72 and 78 between Stanley and Consett.

It's far too slow between Consett and Stanley to Gateshead and that route from Consett to Newcastle is no longer than the current X45 or X71 and would give Leadgate, Castleside and Anfield Plain a much much better service to the main place they actually want to go to.

I like that route! So basically an X5/X15 Castleside to Consett, then the old X30 extension from Consett to Stanley then the old X31 route via Gateshead to Newcastle.

How would you suggest wrapping other services around this?

(27 Dec 2022, 11:54 am)L469 YVK wrote I like that route! So basically an X5/X15 Castleside to Consett, then the old X30 extension from Consett to Stanley then the old X31 route via Gateshead to Newcastle.

How would you suggest wrapping other services around this?

Dunno maybe something like this:

X71 (Hourly) - https://www.google.com/maps/dir/54.84719...978252!3e0

6 (Every 30 Minutes) - https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Newcastl....77525!3e0

7 (Every 30 Minutes) - https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Newcastl....77525!3e0

8 - Extend to Lanchester hourly, ran by Consett

16/16A - Replaced by 6/7/78

78 (Every 30 Minutes) - https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Consett/...591161!3e0

X30 (Hourly) - Newcastle to Whickham only

97 - Terminate at Whickham doing a loop, replaced by 6/7 to Metro Centre


Evenings
6, 7, 78 and new express route (X6?) all hourly.

If it's operationally better then the 6/7 could be split into 2 with layover at Stanley

Would mean that every community has a link to Newcastle and the Metro Centre and the vast majority of places get a service to Gateshead, Durham and CLS aswell. It's much better than what's around now.

(27 Dec 2022, 1:04 pm)Storx wrote Dunno maybe something like this:

X71 (Hourly) - https://www.google.com/maps/dir/54.84719...978252!3e0

6 (Every 30 Minutes) - https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Newcastl....77525!3e0

7 (Every 30 Minutes) - https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Newcastl....77525!3e0

8 - Extend to Lanchester hourly, ran by Consett

16/16A - Replaced by 6/7/78

78 (Every 30 Minutes) - https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Consett/...591161!3e0

X30 (Hourly) - Newcastle to Whickham only

97 - Terminate at Whickham doing a loop, replaced by 6/7 to Metro Centre


Evenings
6, 7, 78 and new express route (X6?) all hourly.

If it's operationally better then the 6/7 could be split into 2 with layover at Stanley

Would mean that every community has a link to Newcastle and the Metro Centre and the vast majority of places get a service to Gateshead, Durham and CLS aswell. It's much better than what's around now.

I like all of your ideas except I feel like the 16 should still go from Consett to Durham as its used a lot, especially for college/uni people. 

Aswell the 78 terminating at CLS is something I wouldn't do.

(27 Dec 2022, 4:32 pm)Unber43 wrote I like all of your ideas except I feel like the 16 should still go from Consett to Durham as its used a lot, especially for college/uni people. 

Aswell the 78 terminating at CLS is something I wouldn't do.

Ah the 78 would still go to Sunderland, I just ran out of pins for the rest of it.

Not sure why anyone would be using the 16 though, surely they'd be on the X5/X15 instead which is quicker and passes it aswell. Everyone pretty much would have a link to Durham with it heading the other way in places like Burnopfield etc who don't atm.

Ngl I was just trying to restore the 43/44 with similar routes as it's been a complete mess with changes every other week since they changed them and none of them are better than what was about then imo.

You could just keep the 16 hourly, and then have a X78 (78 current route) then 78 (old 16 route) therefore the X30/78 would operate every 30 mins

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Also your numbering I think something in the 20's or 40's would be better.

Perhaps like old times 43/44

Whats any of this got to do with service changes?,theyre all suggestions

(27 Dec 2022, 5:26 pm)V514DFT wrote Whats any of this got to do with service changes?,theyre all suggestions

Some people just can't help themselves and turn just about every topic into service suggestions.

(27 Dec 2022, 8:15 pm)MurdnunoC wrote Some people just can't help themselves and turn just about every topic into service suggestions.

Totally depends. If the suggestions are in debate regarding the changes the thread is about and in direct critique of the changes, then from a personal perspective, I'd say discussions are welcome.

Some of the suggestions could even be operational ones such as interworking patterns etc.

Maybe......another thread could be created for service suggestions......but only in relation to changes that are due to take place or recently (within 1 month) taken place.

(08 Dec 2022, 7:50 pm)Michael wrote Couple of changes to the Hexham locals have appeared on VOSA:

PB0003954/1372
New GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 682 (682) West Woodburn Hexham
Start point: West Woodburn
Finish point: Hexham
Via Ridsdale, Barrasford, Wall, Acomb

Change 7th January ^

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PB0003954/493
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 689 (689) Consett Hexham

Start point: Consett
Finish point: Hexham
Via Blackhill, Shotley Bridge, Ebchester, Whittonstall, Slaley

Change for 7th January ^

https://www.gonortheast.co.uk/new-682-service

(28 Dec 2022, 11:42 am)Dan wrote https://www.gonortheast.co.uk/new-682-service

When will the 78 changes etc appear on the site?

(27 Dec 2022, 10:17 pm)L469 YVK wrote Totally depends. If the suggestions are in debate regarding the changes the thread is about and in direct critique of the changes, then from a personal perspective, I'd say discussions are welcome.

Some of the suggestions could even be operational ones such as interworking patterns etc.

Maybe......another thread could be created for service suggestions......but only in relation to changes that are due to take place or recently (within 1 month) taken place.

What, like the current service suggestions threads? 

Fine to speculate a little when the details of service changes are yet to be revealed but it gets a bit tedious having to wade through post after post of fantasy buses when you're just hoping to catch up with the latest news.

(28 Dec 2022, 5:38 pm)BusLoverMum wrote What, like the current service suggestions threads? 

Fine to speculate a little when the details of service changes are yet to be revealed but it gets a bit tedious having to wade through post after post of fantasy buses when you're just hoping to catch up with the latest news.

Wheres the like button

Personally I'm sick of the wannabe moderators. It's by far one of the worst forums for discussion on here as someone always gets shot down and kills it. It's no wonder it's dead bar a few people posting the same rare workings or moaning about the same things day in day out especially around cancellations and the state of the GNE fleet.

Should the posts be moved to the right thread - probably but it's not up to me how moderation does or doesn't work.

Rant over but plenty people who actually used to engage in threads have left over it recently.

I'm a little confused here.

X5 / X15, 16 /16A / 16B, 78, X45

What are the changes?

(28 Dec 2022, 10:03 pm)DH9 wrote I'm a little confused here.

X5 / X15, 16 /16A / 16B, 78, X45

What are the changes?

X45/16 are no longer going to Hownsgill terminating at Consett, and I assume this will help with reliability issues saving around 20 mins.

(28 Dec 2022, 10:14 pm)Unber43 wrote X45/16 are no longer going to Hownsgill terminating at Consett, and I assume this will help with reliability issues saving around 20 mins.

I'd heard 16 was being extended to Shotley Bridge to cover withdrawal of the 47 between Consett and the hospital?

(28 Dec 2022, 3:09 pm)Michael wrote When will the 78 changes etc appear on the site?

First week of the new year.


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(29 Dec 2022, 2:07 am)DH9 wrote I'd heard 16 was being extended to Shotley Bridge to cover withdrawal of the 47 between Consett and the hospital?

And with hopefully a shift away from 'strict' branding, the 47 could be interworked with the X30/X31 which would help increase layover time on both of them routes as well. Then X45 interworked with X71/X72. The latter interworking patterns not needing a 'low height' decker.

Only got 14x E400MMC (not including 6336-37) and total PVR is 19x but I'm sure with 6356-63 not having any particular 'use' at the moment, GNE would have enough suitable vehicles to make the PVR up to 19x with suitable spares

Looks like timetables are starting to appear. 47 gets a long layover in Newcastle arriving at xx:01/xx:31 and departing at xx:15 and xx:45. 47 no longer extended to Shotley Bridge Hospital

X45/X30/X31 appears to have the following interworking pattern:
Consett X45: 00:09
Newcastle X45: 01:16
Newcastle X31: 01:25
Stanley X31: 02:05
Stanley X30: 02:12
Newcastle X30: 02:51
Newcastle X45: 03:00
Consett X45: 03:59

https://www.gonortheast.co.uk/service-ch...29-January

A couple of things I've noticed though:

- Why no hard coordination between Sunniside and Newcatle with the X30/X31/X71/X72? Surely a roughly 15 minute common headway would be the way forward.

- Again with the above, 47 could interwork with X30/X31 and X45 could interwork with X71/X72 to facilitate the above and maintain common headways on the Sunniside - Newcastle and Rowlands Gill - Newcastle corridors. Layover times would be adequate at Eldon Square and generous at both Stanley & Consett.

- With reference to the 47 (although would have to be used on X45/X71/X72 due to low bridge on a 47/X30/X31 interworking pattern), why are 'binge drinking' B9TLs still being utilised on the Consett to Newcastle group of services when there are 8x StreetDecks available to use? So allocations would be:
* 47/X30/X31 - 9x E400MMC (6338-46)
* X45/X71/X72 - 8x StreetDeck & 2x E400MMC (6356-63 & 6347-48)
* 3x E400MMC spare covering a Euro 6 PVR of 19x (ratio of 6.33:1) - (6336, 6337, 6349)
* 6350-51 to Riverside and along with 6377, could facilitate a return of the X9 if demand warranted it or a half hourly X10 to Peterlee.
* 6334-35 return to Riverside and re-join 6308-14.
* 6043-48 freed up for other uses and are Euro 6 compliant.

- Sunday X72s should be joined onto the interworking pattern for the 6/12/X30 and would again also maintain a more common headway with service X30 between Sunniside and Newcastle.

- 16B/47/X5/X45 should all interwork on Sundays. Changeovers Southbound before commencing 16B/X5 where possible so that any late running 47/X45 journeys (i.e Sunday Matchdays etc) can be regulated at Consett. 78 extended to Castleside on Sundays in place of X5.

They're persistent with the Tour de Winlaton with the 12, I'll give them that. Still a mess.