(15 Jul 2023, 6:04 pm)itsadam wrote Given the abundance of buses off the roads, does anyone else think they should start replacing their StreetDecks and StreetLites with more reliable vehicles?

They can't afford to. 
I reckon they would struggle to justify the business case for a packet of rich tea for the office at the moment.

(15 Jul 2023, 10:28 pm)Andreos1 wrote They can't afford to. 
I reckon they would struggle to justify the business case for a packet of rich tea for the office at the moment.

Do they not get a free supply of Go Ahead biscuits???
https://www.goahead.co.uk/fruit-slices-3/

(15 Jul 2023, 6:04 pm)itsadam wrote Given the abundance of buses off the roads, does anyone else think they should start replacing their StreetDecks and StreetLites with more reliable vehicles?

I believe there's parts problems with Wright buses. GoNorthEast are the only company to really have many of them other than Arriva who are having similar problems with their Streetlite's.

With buses 5501-5510 withdrawn would it not be best for GNE to start over with the 55XX fleet numbers again?

(20 Jul 2023, 10:48 pm)Unber43 wrote With buses 5501-5510 withdrawn would it not be best for GNE to start over with the 55XX fleet numbers again?

No, GNE don’t tend to re-use fleet numbers.


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(20 Jul 2023, 10:48 pm)Unber43 wrote With buses 5501-5510 withdrawn would it not be best for GNE to start over with the 55XX fleet numbers again?

I know engineering hated 5501-5504 / 5509-5510 but from a passenger POV I really liked them, I thought they were smooth, powerful and probably one of my favourite buses in the fleet (when they were on the road).

(21 Jul 2023, 9:43 am)nova347 wrote I know engineering hated 5501-5504 / 5509-5510 but from a passenger POV I really liked them, I thought they were smooth, powerful and probably one of my favourite buses in the fleet (when they were on the road).

Both drivers and engineers hated 5507/08 - 08 particularly as it had such a shockingly poor lock.

(21 Jul 2023, 12:24 pm)xpm wrote Both drivers and engineers hated 5507/08 - 08 particularly as it had such a shockingly poor lock.

I didn't know about 5507/08, I just knew about the Eclipses and the issues they had.

Only time Go North East tend to re-use Fleetnumbers is the 9xxx series.

There has been many buses that have carried serveral fleetnumbers, usually it's temporary numbers then numbered into the main fleetnumber series.

After the takeover of OK Travel, IIRC buses were numbered 9xxx then 2xxx (could be other way around) before what remaining vehicles were numbered into the exsisting fleetnumber series.

I have tried a few times creating a list of all vehicles Go North East (Go-Ahead Northern, Northern etc) have operated since adopting the current fleetnumbering system but it keeps falling by the wayside.

(21 Jul 2023, 5:40 am)Dan wrote No, GNE don’t tend to re-use fleet numbers.


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How are fleet numbers determined?

So far....
100 - 199 was being used by ancillary vehicles (vans / wagons).
200 - 999 is being used by Minibuses.
1000 - 1999 is being used by ancillary (vans / wagons).
2000 - 2999 was used by ex OK Vehicles, think it might have been used by some Single Deckers too.
3000 - 3999 was Double Decker
4000 - 4999 was Single Decker
5000 - 5999 is being used by Single Decker, however some early 5xxx numbers were used by downgraded coaches.
6000 - 6999 is being used by Double Deckers.
7000 - 7999 is being used by Coaches.
8000 - 8999 is being used by Midibuses or small Single Decker.
9000 - 9999 is being used as a temporary numbering series.

There has been exceptions to the rules where demo or loan vehicles have used or reused past numbers. A trio of Olympians loaned from Oxford Bus Company around 2000 and a pair of Wadham Stringer Darts loaned from Metrobus around the same time used their fleetnumbers from their respective companies since there wasn't any clashing with a vehicle in the fleet at the time. Same went for 4x DAF SB220 - N-C Paladin Single Deckers (M846RCP, M848RCP, P903PWW and P905PWW) and a single DAF SB220LF - N-C Paladin LF single decker (R33GNW) which used their registation numbers.

A lefthand drive DAF SBG220 / Den Oudsten Alliance B89 bendy bus from the fleet of ZuidOoster in the Netherlands was used on the Metrocentre Shuttle and used its ZO fleetnumber of 7771. Seen here in a photo by Durham Bus Man - https://www.flickr.com/photos/16042610@N07/8899462003 . Ironically the ZuidOoster fleetnumbers used the same font as Go-Ahead Northern as shown on sister vehicle 7772 with ZO. https://www.flickr.com/photos/arthur-a/5103958279

The first Dennis Dart operated by the Go-Ahead Group was numbered in the 4xxx range before being number 8000 (H802OPT).

The first batch of MPDs were numbered in the 8xxx series (8186-8200) because they were Darts before they renumbered to 486-500.

Technically because the SPDs were just under 12 metres, along with most of the Excels except 8125-8132, they could have been allocated 4xxx numbers, but were seen as lightweight single deckers compared to the Volvo B10BLEs and DAF SB220LFs that were arriving around the same time, so were thrown with the rest of the Darts in the 8xxx series.

However this idea changes when you look at the Optare Versa, Wright Streetlite and Yutong Electric buses are actually split between fleetnumbers according to their length. Those around 12 metres being numbered in the 5xxx series whilst the shorter vehicles (11 metres below) are numbered 8xxx.

First Two Green Arrow E200MMC (5488/5491) have been withdrawn from service and sold.

(22 Jul 2023, 7:41 am)Unber43 wrote Two Green Arrow E200MMC have been withdrawn from service and sold.

The first two ADL Enviro 200MMCs have now left the Go North East fleet. Seen at Connexionsbuses in Tockwith.

Post/Photo by Daniel Graham on the North East Bus Enthusiasts Facebook page.

What is the reason for these being sold already?

(22 Jul 2023, 7:44 am)Michael wrote The first two ADL Enviro 200MMCs have now left the Go North East fleet. Seen at Connexionsbuses in Tockwith.

Post/Photo by Daniel Graham on the North East Bus Enthusiasts Facebook page.

If more are leaving I wonder what will replace them on the 6.
Only likely thing I could think of until September is some of the Orbits before they go to their next rumoured depot Percy Main.
Other than that then I don’t know.

(22 Jul 2023, 9:29 am)Iamtheone8483748 wrote What is the reason for these being sold already?

Probably:
- Redundent cos of withdrawal of the 97
- Non-standard microfleet (not sure how much cross-compatibility there is with the E400s, both classic and MMC)

I wonder if these were leased, otherwise an unexpected move to sell them now.

Maybe they are needed in Manchester come September for GNW

It does seem rather amusing that GNE are getting rid of their newest single deckers considering the state of their current fleet.

(22 Jul 2023, 9:45 am)citaro5284 wrote Maybe they are needed in Manchester come September for GNW

It's almost like they're asset stripping and taking all the half-decent stuff, leaving the inferior stuff with the inferior part of the operation.

Like when GNE did it to EY. Except now it's GNW doing it to GNE.

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(22 Jul 2023, 1:18 pm)deanmachine wrote It does seem rather amusing that GNE are getting rid of their newest single deckers considering the state of their current fleet.

I'm wondering if they've got any choice to be honest. 
Whether they've been told to balance the books or GNW have made the demands, it's clear GNE are seen as a weak part of the operation now. 

Or maybe even weaker than they already were.

Do the E200s still have the illuminated logos on the front? A bit inconvenient for the new operator that they seem to have been moved on without being removed.

And yet 17-20 year old Omnideckers are still here, cus thats logic

(22 Jul 2023, 3:54 pm)V514DFT wrote And yet 17-20 year old Omnideckers are still here, cus thats logic

Waiting on DG saying "gne didn't need them anymore however gnw need buses so logic step" or something along them lines. 

This company has become the 2nd hand company. Nearly every bus is 2nd hand

(22 Jul 2023, 9:45 am)citaro5284 wrote Maybe they are needed in Manchester come September for GNW

I might be missing something but since they're in Connexionbuses yard in Yorkshire, surely they'd have been to sold to them. I know they needed more buses for new contracts they've took on.

Two ‘loaned’ to GNW:

https://twitter.com/buses2012/status/1682763760409399296?s=46&t=tPuGEygnn6BhKgNFiA4yAw

(22 Jul 2023, 5:37 pm)Storx wrote I might be missing something but since they're in Connexionbuses yard in Yorkshire, surely they'd have been to sold to them. I know they needed more buses for new contracts they've took on.

It is roughly half way - GNE take buses to there and GNW collect them from there and vice versa

(22 Jul 2023, 6:10 pm)citaro5284 wrote It is roughly half way - GNE take buses to there and GNW collect them from there and vice versa

Ah that makes sense then, I know they've had a few of GNE's old buses themselves, thought they might got them thereselves to replace their rather elderly Omnicities (seen the post after though).

(22 Jul 2023, 5:42 pm)ne14ne1 wrote Two ‘loaned’ to GNW:

https://twitter.com/buses2012/status/1682763760409399296?s=46&t=tPuGEygnn6BhKgNFiA4yAw

Pretty sure those are the ones whcih have been sold.

Wonder if all 11 will be?

(22 Jul 2023, 7:41 pm)Unber43 wrote Pretty sure those are the ones whcih have been sold.

Wonder if all 11 will be?

Have they actually being sold as I am sure the post on Facebook just said they have left the GNE fleet.  As the tweet suggests, they are on loan, so could they have just left the GNE fleet on a temp basis....

(22 Jul 2023, 7:54 pm)citaro5284 wrote Have they actually being sold as I am sure the post on Facebook just said they have left the GNE fleet.  As the tweet suggests, they are on loan, so could they have just left the GNE fleet on a temp basis....

5488/91 been sold to Connections Buses (or whatever its called)