(10 Dec 2024, 7:45 pm)Mike_98 wrote With all these North West Pulsars coming to Teesside, do we have any news whats happening to the only Centro left in the fleet?

Also is there any Pulsar 1's coming or is it purely Pulsar 2's.

A mix of both… 1534 is down to be withdrawn - but I’m sure it’ll find a way to survive once again!
30 in total coming for the NE fleet, 5 going to Yorkshire to kill Tempos (3 arrived on Sunday) and I believe 20 (some of which have moved already) for Derby/Midlands to bin their Scanias


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(10 Dec 2024, 7:51 pm)tyresmoke wrote A mix of both… 1534 is down to be withdrawn - but I’m sure it’ll find a way to survive once again!
30 in total coming for the NE fleet, 5 going to Yorkshire to kill Tempos (3 arrived on Sunday) and I believe 20 (some of which have moved already) for Derby/Midlands to bin their Scanias


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Unfortunately 4 was meant to arrive at Yorkshire on Sunday, but one broke down on the way it looks like that pulsar in question now, will be going to scrap and another one will be sent in its place.

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(10 Dec 2024, 7:45 pm)Mike_98 wrote With all these North West Pulsars coming to Teesside, do we have any news whats happening to the only Centro left in the fleet?

Also is there any Pulsar 1's coming or is it purely Pulsar 2's.

Most likely  Pulsar 2s. 09/59/10 plates I assume

I imagine any Pulsar 1s still in the North West will more than likely be heading to scrap

(08 Dec 2024, 4:22 pm)tyresmoke wrote 1404 going back from Ashington would make sense if 1418-29 are going to Stockton. That’s 9 from Redcar (18/20/21/23-27/29) and 1404 makes 10 displacing 10 Streetlites to NW in return for 10 Evora’s.
23 NW Pulsars allegedly heading for Redcar, how many are expected at Ashington?


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imo there'd be much better doing

1404: Ashington to Stockton
1462/1463/1497: Ashington to Darlington
1356/1357: Darlington to Withdrawn
1406/1408/1409/1411/1416/1417/1431/1437: Darlington to Stockton
1418/1420/1421/1423/1424/1425/1426/1427/1429/1433: Redcar to Stockton

10x Streetlite - North West
9x Streetlite - Ashington
7x Streetlite - Darlington

30x NW Pulsar: Redcar / Stockton
10x Evora: Redcar

Then any future orders are focused on Stockton, Redcar and Blyth since Ashington, Darlington and Durham are pretty much sorted until 2027 at least in terms of investment to get shot of the 09/59 Pulsars and 59 Gemini's.

Much easier to have everything combined together rather than microfleets all over the place.

(Yesterday, 12:25 pm)Storx wrote imo there'd be much better doing

1404: Ashington to Stockton
1462/1463/1497: Ashington to Darlington
1356/1357: Darlington to Withdrawn
1406/1408/1409/1411/1416/1417/1431/1437: Darlington to Stockton
1418/1420/1421/1423/1424/1425/1426/1427/1429/1433: Redcar to Stockton

10x Streetlite - North West
9x Streetlite - Ashington
7x Streetlite - Darlington

30x NW Pulsar: Redcar / Stockton
10x Evora: Redcar

Then any future orders are focused on Stockton, Redcar and Blyth since Ashington, Darlington and Durham are pretty much sorted until 2027 at least in terms of investment to get shot of the 09/59 Pulsars and 59 Gemini's.

Much easier to have everything combined together rather than microfleets all over the place.

 Think ur getting ahead  here  as 1423 24 25 26 27 33 aren't on. Any list of moments  that's been mentioned and also on fb 1462 was mentioned it was down for Redcar

(11 hours ago)Mark66t wrote  Think ur getting ahead  here  as 1423 24 25 26 27 33 aren't on. Any list of moments  that's been mentioned and also on fb 1462 was mentioned it was down for Redcar

1418/1420/1421/1423/1424/1425/1426/1427 & 1429 are on the list to be moved to Stockton so your the one who is not getting ahead here.

Question  for  u  why would Redcar get shot of pulsars  when the temsas are getting withdrawn  ?

(11 hours ago)Mark66t wrote  Think ur getting ahead  here  as 1423 24 25 26 27 33 aren't on. Any list of moments  that's been mentioned and also on fb 1462 was mentioned it was down for Redcar

To be fair most of them won't be on, it was more about cleaning where things are rather than having microfleets all over the place.

Arriva badly imo need to try and decide who has what rather than microfleets all over the place. There's no need for Streetlite's at 4 depots. Durham and Ashington imo should be converted to full Streetlite single decker operation with their Pulsars moved out, there's barely any at either now anyway.

That's Ashington and Durham both sorted for fleet investment for years, with all the 12/13/63 Pulsars heading to Darlington and again sorting them out for awhile. You could put some older ones on the 2 as there's electrics planned for that in the future.

Means then all the investment can be focused on Stockton and Redcar who both probably deserve some as they've got some strong routes and the fleet is like a heritage fleet at both ie. massive order at Stockton to replace all the 09/59 Plates which are all now allocated there. Well and they're not affected by franchising like the Northern depots.

(11 hours ago)Spottybus17 wrote 1418/1420/1421/1423/1424/1425/1426/1427 & 1429 are on the list to be moved to Stockton so your the one who is not getting ahead here.

I thought these weren't moving from redcar

(8 hours ago)Mark66t wrote I can confirm there not I asked  nothing is leaving Redcar  part from temsas

Ah yes


A spotter asking a driver for info hahahaha makes me laugh these days


Yea drivers know absolutely everything

Like what Storx said. However, I don't think Redcar should lose some of their Pulsars they have had for ages like 1433. Stockton also may as well swap their Lites with Darlo and Ashington for some of their Pulsars to keep them from having microfleets everywhere. This is what I would do.

Northumbria to Stockton:
1404, 1462, 1463, 1480, 1493, 1495, 1496, 1497

Stockton to Northumbria:
1556, 1557, 1558, 1559, 1560, 1561, 1562, 1563

Darlington to Stockton:
1406, 1408, 1409, 1411, 1416, 1417, 1431, 1437

Stockton to Darlington:
1550, 1551, 1552, 1553, 1554, 1555, 1473, 1474

10 Brand New Evoras to Redcar
23x+ Pulsars from  North West to Redcar to Replace Temsas and Centro

Then theres the question with the Solos at Whitby and the DB300's

People would hate me for this but maybe

Redcar to Northumbria:
7609, 7610
Northumbria to Redcar:
7551, 7552

That'll sort the Park and Ride Contract for like 8 Years. Also with all the DB's up there, it gives them a case to buy an extra 2 new vehicles when all of them get withdrawn. No point of having the DB's in Redcar for them to Micro Manage them.

EDIT: Then I would have:

Stockton to Redcar:
1431,1432, 1437

Redcar to Stockton:
1418, 1420, 1421

(5 hours ago)Mike_98 wrote Like what Storx said. However, I don't think Redcar should lose some of their Pulsars they have had for ages like 1433. Stockton also may as well swap their Lites with Darlo and Ashington for some of their Pulsars to keep them from having microfleets everywhere. This is what I would do.

Northumbria to Stockton:
1404, 1462, 1463, 1480, 1493, 1495, 1496, 1497

Stockton to Northumbria:
1556, 1557, 1558, 1559, 1560, 1561, 1562, 1563

Darlington to Stockton:
1406, 1408, 1409, 1411, 1416, 1417, 1431, 1437

Stockton to Darlington:
1550, 1551, 1552, 1553, 1554, 1555, 1473, 1474

10 Brand New Evoras to Redcar
23x+ Pulsars from  North West to Redcar to Replace Temsas and Centro

Then theres the question with the Solos at Whitby and the DB300's

People would hate me for this but maybe

Redcar to Northumbria:
7609, 7610
Northumbria to Redcar:
7551, 7552

That'll sort the Park and Ride Contract for like 8 Years. Also with all the DB's up there, it gives them a case to buy an extra 2 new vehicles when all of them get withdrawn. No point of having the DB's in Redcar for them to Micro Manage them.

EDIT: Then I would have:

Stockton to Redcar:
1431,1432, 1437

Redcar to Stockton:
1418, 1420, 1421

Aye, need an extra 5 at Ashington though.

To be honest I'd probably be tempted to do it the opposite way and send the Streetlite's down from Ashington in return for Pulsars tbh but send some of the newer ones ie. send 1509/1510/1511/1514-1523 to Ashington in return for their 8 Streetlite's instead with 1601-7 from Darlington joining them. Then spread the remaining Streetlite's out between Darlington and Durham instead.

The Streetlite's are a bit of a microfleet really with the allocations on paper at Ashington being:
1509/1510/1511/1514/5: 57/57A
1516-19: 1
1520-1523: 2
1479/1512/1513: X16/777

Would be an upgrade really up here since the Solo's are going and no-one will be moaning about the loss of a year or two from the Streetlite's.

(5 hours ago)TMike_98 wrote Like what Storx said. However, I don't think Redcar should lose some of their Pulsars they have had for ages like 1433. Stockton also may as well swap their Lites with Darlo and Ashington for some of their Pulsars to keep them from having microfleets everywhere. This is what I would do.

Northumbria to Stockton:
1404, 1462, 1463, 1480, 1493, 1495, 1496, 1497

Stockton to Northumbria:
1556, 1557, 1558, 1559, 1560, 1561, 1562, 1563

Darlington to Stockton:
1406, 1408, 1409, 1411, 1416, 1417, 1431, 1437

Stockton to Darlington:
1550, 1551, 1552, 1553, 1554, 1555, 1473, 1474

10 Brand New Evoras to Redcar
23x+ Pulsars from  North West to Redcar to Replace Temsas and Centro

Then theres the question with the Solos at Whitby and the DB300's

People would hate me for this but maybe

Redcar to Northumbria:
7609, 7610
Northumbria to Redcar:
7551, 7552

That'll sort the Park and Ride Contract for like 8 Years. Also with all the DB's up there, it gives them a case to buy an extra 2 new vehicles when all of them get withdrawn. No point of having the DB's in Redcar for them to Micro Manage them.

EDIT: Then I would have:

Stockton to Redcar:
1431,1432, 1437

Redcar to Stockton:
1418, 1420, 1421

 Another way  transferred all Ashington lites to Stockton  as an  one of  egingeer   who works at Stockton   would be able to keep them  running   like there should be
 
Then  1430 1431 32 37  could return to Redcar  where there where  new  ?

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(3 hours ago)Storx wrote Aye, need an extra 5 at Ashington though.

To be honest I'd probably be tempted to do it the opposite way and send the Streetlite's down from Ashington in return for Pulsars tbh but send some of the newer ones ie. send 1509/1510/1511/1514-1523 to Ashington in return for their 8 Streetlite's instead with 1601-7 from Darlington joining them. Then spread the remaining Streetlite's out between Darlington and Durham instead.

The Streetlite's are a bit of a microfleet really with the allocations on paper at Ashington being:
1509/1510/1511/1514/5: 57/57A
1516-19: 1
1520-1523: 2
1479/1512/1513: X16/777

Would be an upgrade really up here since the Solo's are going and no-one will be moaning about the loss of a year or two from the Streetlite's.

 Could move the lites to Stockton  then 5  Pulsars from Stockton to Ashington  could easily work  perhaps .

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(5 hours ago)Mike_98 wrote Like what Storx said. However, I don't think Redcar should lose some of their Pulsars they have had for ages like 1433. Stockton also may as well swap their Lites with Darlo and Ashington for some of their Pulsars to keep them from having microfleets everywhere. This is what I would do.

Northumbria to Stockton:
1404, 1462, 1463, 1480, 1493, 1495, 1496, 1497

Stockton to Northumbria:
1556, 1557, 1558, 1559, 1560, 1561, 1562, 1563

Darlington to Stockton:
1406, 1408, 1409, 1411, 1416, 1417, 1431, 1437

Stockton to Darlington:
1550, 1551, 1552, 1553, 1554, 1555, 1473, 1474

10 Brand New Evoras to Redcar
23x+ Pulsars from  North West to Redcar to Replace Temsas and Centro

Then theres the question with the Solos at Whitby and the DB300's

People would hate me for this but maybe

Redcar to Northumbria:
7609, 7610
Northumbria to Redcar:
7551, 7552

That'll sort the Park and Ride Contract for like 8 Years. Also with all the DB's up there, it gives them a case to buy an extra 2 new vehicles when all of them get withdrawn. No point of having the DB's in Redcar for them to Micro Manage them.

EDIT: Then I would have:

Stockton to Redcar:
1431,1432, 1437

Redcar to Stockton:
1418, 1420, 1421

(3 hours ago)Storx wrote Aye, need an extra 5 at Ashington though.

To be honest I'd probably be tempted to do it the opposite way and send the Streetlite's down from Ashington in return for Pulsars tbh but send some of the newer ones ie. send 1509/1510/1511/1514-1523 to Ashington in return for their 8 Streetlite's instead with 1601-7 from Darlington joining them. Then spread the remaining Streetlite's out between Darlington and Durham instead.

The Streetlite's are a bit of a microfleet really with the allocations on paper at Ashington being:
1509/1510/1511/1514/5: 57/57A
1516-19: 1
1520-1523: 2
1479/1512/1513: X16/777

Would be an upgrade really up here since the Solo's are going and no-one will be moaning about the loss of a year or two from the Streetlite's.

(2 hours ago)Mark66t wrote

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 Could move the lites to Stockton  then 5  Pulsars from Stockton to Ashington  could easily work  perhaps .

(2 hours ago)Mark66t wrote Could move the lites to Stockton  then 5  Pulsars from Stockton to Ashington  could easily work  perhaps .

You'd need 13 vehicles up here. Be better to have the older vehicles at Stockton though imo. Think it would be easier to build a case for investment there rather than attempting to get newer buses for the likes of the 1/2/57/57A up here which isn't happening, especially with the upcoming franchising lingering over the area.

Stuff like the 5, 7, 8, 9 and 15 deserve better stuff than 10 year old Streetlite's anyway imo but it's going to be a harder argument with 'newer' buses on.

Mind the rumours lingering around, it seems like the 09 Plates are getting dumped down there anyway for no doubt that reason tbh. The 5/5A, in particular, is ideal for Evora's with the hills etc at the Easington side.

Mind you could make the argument of making Darlington Streetlite free instead though, if you wanted to keep the Streetlite's at Stockton, because the 1, 5, 7 and X66/X67 there are much of the same really and they're all Evora type of routes aswell. Without working it out those combined probably are about enough to wipe out all the 09 Plate Pulsars aswell including Stockton's 5.