(18 Dec 2024, 6:11 pm)Adrian wrote I've always found the Metro interior to be well presented and looked after. It's rare to see a ripped, graffiti'd or otherwise damaged seat, for example. They're either really good at finding and repairing, or vandalism doesn't happen on board as much as people think.

To be fair could say about all transport across England really. I know we all have our hates but it's one thing you have to give credit we don't suffer from unlike even some European countries, some of Paris' Metro trains are (or were) grim as an understatement, for starters.

No doubt all part of the broken windows theory.

(18 Dec 2024, 6:11 pm)Adrian wrote I've always found the Metro interior to be well presented and looked after. It's rare to see a ripped, graffiti'd or otherwise damaged seat, for example. They're either really good at finding and repairing, or vandalism doesn't happen on board as much as people think.

I used a couple of old sets today and while they're obviously very tired, I would agree that they're still presentable. Comfort is gone, but generally the fabric looks clean enough, and all surfaces are clean. 

That said, the heat produced by the second set I used rivalled the core of the sun. All windows open, middle of December, and still uncomfortably warm. I was only on for 10 minutes or so anyway, but I couldn't have stayed on any longer. A peak time service on that with standing passengers through the core would have been beyond unpleasant.

(18 Dec 2024, 11:58 pm)PH - BQA wrote I used a couple of old sets today and while they're obviously very tired, I would agree that they're still presentable. Comfort is gone, but generally the fabric looks clean enough, and all surfaces are clean. 

That said, the heat produced by the second set I used rivalled the core of the sun. All windows open, middle of December, and still uncomfortably warm. I was only on for 10 minutes or so anyway, but I couldn't have stayed on any longer. A peak time service on that with standing passengers through the core would have been beyond unpleasant.

There's a few like that now. I ended up having one packed, and during the Summer. Absolutely awful experience, and I'm thankful it didn't run out of steam somewhere!

Hopefully they're the first to be withdrawn.

(18 Dec 2024, 4:46 pm)ne14ne1 wrote Was waiting for someone to say that. 

Guess we shouldn’t ever have anything new or nice, huh.

We should get new things but people just damage and break them. The rare metro I get is generally inside a semi-good condition I won't lie but there's a reason Arriva Northumbria chose to go without padded headrests for their new Enviros as well as the Streetdecks with GNE the amount of headrests has been replaced to the wireless charger holder things getting snapped off.

It's alright because the Metro is now suspended between Heworth and Monument and unless they sort something out asap, no doubt South of Monument completely soon as the trains are all stranded.

No reason for a complete shutdown. They can maintain trains at the South Shields learning centre if needs be.

Can they not still get trains through, just not with a practical service perhaps?

(19 Dec 2024, 9:52 pm)markydh wrote No reason for a complete shutdown. They can maintain trains at the South Shields learning centre if needs be.

Only for very light maintenance and repairs.

If the trains cannot have their usual exams, they’ll run out of miles and won’t be able to run.

(19 Dec 2024, 9:52 pm)markydh wrote No reason for a complete shutdown. They can maintain trains at the South Shields learning centre if needs be.

As someone has mentioned after it's only light maintenance etc. Not to mention if the units aren't having proper checks, I'm unsure whether they'll want them running on the Network Rail tracks causing bother.

I meant soon as in days / weeks there btw rather than hours, just to make it clear. Can see how it could read as asap.