(25 Jan 2025, 9:46 pm)lewisparker1509 wrote the 56 is either deptford or washington depot, i can't remember which one but it's 100% one or the other. riverside do actually do one morning run from sunderland to newcastle using a crusader and then spends the rest of the day on the 27s

Sorry i meant the Streetdecks would more lilely go to Riverside than go on the 56.

Should of really re-read my post before posting.

(26 Jan 2025, 10:13 am)Michael wrote Sorry i meant the Streetdecks would more lilely go to Riverside than go on the 56.

Should of really re-read my post before posting.

The thing is if GNE operate them in areas and on routes where they have a monopoly, they're most likely to get bad press. Whereas if they run them on the 307 & 309, they're pretty easy services and GNE also have Arriva to bail them out on the 306 & 308 in most parts so not as noticeable to the public.

Saying that however, I don't think NECA would be happy with GNE allocating unreliable vehicles on an enhanced partnership agreement corridor, neither would Arriva be if they made an effort (when the Gemini 2's are eventually replaced) and got hammered timekeeping wise having to carry GNE's loads.

(26 Jan 2025, 10:38 am)L469 YVK wrote The thing is if GNE operate them in areas and on routes where they have a monopoly, they're most likely to get bad press. Whereas if they run them on the 307 & 309, they're pretty easy services and GNE also have Arriva to bail them out on the 306 & 308 in most parts so not as noticeable to the public.

Saying that however, I don't think NECA would be happy with GNE allocating unreliable vehicles on an enhanced partnership agreement corridor, neither would Arriva be if they made an effort (when the Gemini 2's are eventually replaced) and got hammered timekeeping wise having to carry GNE's loads.

Wouldn't surprise me, if they went on the 307/309.

We're at the point where in the next couple of years, where GNE will need to look at replacing the 100? buses, which arrived in 2013.

No doubt, they'll not be though because the top people at Go Ahead will be focusing on London and Manchester which will get the new buses and we'll get more 2nd hand rubbish.

As for the current situation though. GNE used Cummins engined Streetlites (4.5L) on the 45/46/47 for 5 years without too many issues. Surely the StreetDeck & B5TL could handle the X32 (2bph with X31 withdrawn) /X45/X70/X73 with few issues.

Then with 6x E400MMC kept at Consett for the X30 & X71 (PVR 4x with 2x spare), would give Riverside 14x E400MMC + 6377 to cover a PVR of 12x with all vehicles being rotated to spread mileage & route demands.

Then if the Cobalts end up with the Angel StreetDecks:
- 8x B9TL - 16/16A
- 7x B9TL - X20
- 2x B9TL - Consett spares**

**Depending on how many VOR's, could use a mix of B9TLs, StreetDeck/B5TL or E400MMC on the X5/X15.

(25 Jan 2025, 10:30 pm)stagecoachbusdepot wrote I noticed this comment in the BBC article as well, about newer GNE vehicles being sent to GNW - all of note that I can recall permanently heading West were the Citaros ages ago, which were hardly new even then though?

The B5LHs seem to have vanished entirely, replaced by second-hand 61-plate buses. If I recall correctly, the B5LHs were supposedly heading to EYMS, though they were originally meant to go to GNW to join the B&H ones now in service there. 

As for 6334 and 6335, they were sent to GNW after undergoing internal refurbishments and a repaint. Interestingly, they’ve since been repainted into Bee Network livery and undergone yet another internal refurbishment.

You also have the 'other' Enviro 400MMCS which were ordered for Go North East but then diverted to Oxford.

(26 Jan 2025, 1:52 pm)WestDurhamSwift wrote The B5LHs seem to have vanished entirely, replaced by second-hand 61-plate buses. If I recall correctly, the B5LHs were supposedly heading to EYMS, though they were originally meant to go to GNW to join the B&H ones now in service there. 

As for 6334 and 6335, they were sent to GNW after undergoing internal refurbishments and a repaint. Interestingly, they’ve since been repainted into Bee Network livery and undergone yet another internal refurbishment.

You also have the 'other' Enviro 400MMCS which were ordered for Go North East but then diverted to Oxford.

Seems like a non-issue to me.  Swapping mid life vehicles for similar type around 1 year older isn't great but is also not a big deal to be flagging to the BBC as part of the reason for the current embarrassment that is GNE.  I highly doubt that getting rid of the hybrids and replacing them with the London deckers has anything to do with the current mess.  Particularly when the second hand tat seems better able to remain on the road than much of the newer indigenous stock.

(26 Jan 2025, 3:25 pm)stagecoachbusdepot wrote Seems like a non-issue to me.  Swapping mid life vehicles for similar type around 1 year older isn't great but is also not a big deal to be flagging to the BBC as part of the reason for the current embarrassment that is GNE.  I highly doubt that getting rid of the hybrids and replacing them with the London deckers has anything to do with the current mess.  Particularly when the second hand tat seems better able to remain on the road than much of the newer indigenous stock.

Personally I'd argue the E400's are a big reason why GNE are a mess that they are.

The fleet currently consists of
Coaches: Unsure atm
Deckers: E400 ADL/E400 Optare/E400MMC/B5TL/B7TL/B9TL/Streetdeck
Singles: E200MMC/Streetlite/Yutong Diesel/Yutong Electric/Versa/Citaro/Solo SR/Merc Cityline

It's an absolutely ridiculous number of vehicles and it feels like certain depots have the vast majority of them, Consett being one of them. Parts is a big issue for the engineering issues and unless you want a warehouse of parts then there's a lot of spare stock required there.

5492 died at Lanchester this morning, very early doors. Not long been recovered by Alpha

6220 doesn’t have working reversing warning and it’s reverse lights seem hit and miss

Workaround is the driver beeping his horn as it reverses…

It’s also raining inside

(27 Jan 2025, 2:38 pm)WestDurhamSwift wrote 5492 died at Lanchester this morning, very early doors. Not long been recovered by Alpha

It must be costing GNE a fortune for recovery at the minute with initial callout fees and mileage rates!

(26 Jan 2025, 3:55 pm)Storx wrote Personally I'd argue the E400's are a big reason why GNE are a mess that they are.

The fleet currently consists of
Coaches: Unsure atm
Deckers: E400 ADL/E400 Optare/E400MMC/B5TL/B7TL/B9TL/Streetdeck
Singles: E200MMC/Streetlite/Yutong Diesel/Yutong Electric/Versa/Citaro/Solo SR/Merc Cityline

It's an absolutely ridiculous number of vehicles and it feels like certain depots have the vast majority of them, Consett being one of them. Parts is a big issue for the engineering issues and unless you want a warehouse of parts then there's a lot of spare stock required there.

Quite interesting you mention the deckers too.

If GNE and GoEY could agree a swap (with some expenditure diverted to GNE to compensate for the older vehicles), would GNE not be better swapping their E400MMC (x20) for GoEY's low height EvoSeti's (X20)?

Still have the non-commonality to some extent, but keeps the front line diesel double deckers either Volvo (B5TL, B9TL) or WrightBus integral (StreetDeck).

As for the X10, that could benefit from the capital expenditure release and maybe receive some new Ultroliners. And if GAG feeling generous, some actual additional investment into GNE on top for the X21 to receive an upgrade and one single common fleet for the X10 & X21.

(27 Jan 2025, 6:22 pm)L469 YVK wrote Quite interesting you mention the deckers too.

If GNE and GoEY could agree a swap (with some expenditure diverted to GNE to compensate for the older vehicles), would GNE not be better swapping their E400MMC (x20) for GoEY's low height EvoSeti's (X20)?

Still have the non-commonality to some extent, but keeps the front line diesel double deckers either Volvo (B5TL, B9TL) or WrightBus integral (StreetDeck).

As for the X10, that could benefit from the capital expenditure release and maybe receive some new Ultroliners. And if GAG feeling generous, some actual additional investment into GNE on top for the X21 to receive an upgrade and one single common fleet for the X10 & X21.

Probably do the opposite personally, and send the B5's down to EYMS in return for the newest B9's. There's only a 2 year difference and they'd arguably be better that having 7 buses which pretty much live VOR which are on the road today just to prove me wrong. 

If you wanted to go into that territory there's loads you could do tbh between GoAhead areas as it's a problem all over. 

The microfleet of Mercs here being swapped for the microfleet of Streetlites down in the Oxford area to pick one.

Looks like both electric Yutongs in use on the H today have been pulled off before they made it to lunchtime. 6357 is one of the replacements, which was taken off an X21 earlier, looks to have broken at the Freeman prior to the 1220.

oh honestly....

(28 Jan 2025, 12:34 pm)PH - BQA wrote Looks like both electric Yutongs in use on the H today have been pulled off before they made it to lunchtime. 6357 is one of the replacements, which was taken off an X21 earlier, looks to have broken at the Freeman prior to the 1220.

8805 was involved in a RTA with a pedestrian, unsure why the other one came off.

(28 Jan 2025, 8:30 pm)NL62WVW wrote 8805 was involved in a RTA with a pedestrian, unsure why the other one came off.

Believe 8804 was on Monday too at the top of Matthew Bank. 

Obviously hope those involved in both incidents are okay.

I mean if you're going to be hit by a bus, you'd want it to be a bus full of medical staff.

Adding to Washington woes

6214 has been abandoned at the cannon for 2 hours mid 22 run