(18 Apr 2025, 8:06 pm)Malarkey wrote Interesting this with regards to Redcar, wonder how they've came to this conclusion without testing any Electric Buses in the area.

Using experience from their other electric operations, quoted ranges from manufacturers,  and comparing all of that information against the demands of each board which they had intended on using the vehicle on?

(18 Apr 2025, 8:15 pm)Storx wrote Personally I'm more confused about the numbers. It was never 15 for Darlington and 7 for Redcar since they were meant for the 63. That route that's really hilly...

Unless something changed the whole article is just wrong.

Whether they could do a full days service is probably fair though, the 63 is quite a fast route so the buses will do a fair few miles in comparison to other routes which seem to have issues as it is in the winter especially at Riverside. 

Where on the route, is it fast? I can think of a tiny section at Wilton, where there's a section of dual carriageway. 
The 63 drops off and on, so doesn't get the chance to get up a head of speed at all.
Other than that, it's pretty urban aka 30mph tops. 

Unless there's somewhere I've completely missed.

(18 Apr 2025, 9:22 pm)Andreos1 wrote Where on the route, is it fast? I can think of a tiny section at Wilton, where there's a section of dual carriageway. 
The 63 drops off and on, so doesn't get the chance to get up a head of speed at all.
Other than that, it's pretty urban aka 30mph tops. 

Unless there's somewhere I've completely missed.

Yeah your right actually forgot there's a road through Eston and you don't use the bypass (used to that route) which makes it feel longer than the Wilton bit is.

Mind an average 30 mph is quick compared to a lot of the routes they're on up here.

(19 Apr 2025, 7:44 am)Storx wrote Yeah your right actually forgot there's a road through Eston and you don't use the bypass (used to that route) which makes it feel longer than the Wilton bit is.

Mind an average 30 mph is quick compared to a lot of the routes they're on up here.

The 63 has one section where the bus gets up to 50MPH (off peak) lucky to get upto 30MPH at peak time for a whole of 2 miles with a stop in the middle where the bus comes off the road, the rest of the route struggles to get above 20MPH with traffic, junctions, roundabouts and stopping at every stop. Couple this with the operating length of most 63 boards being very similar to other operators using electrics pushes people working on buses in the Teesside area to think there may be other plans for the depots across Teesside…..

(23 Apr 2025, 8:19 pm)Teessider2014 wrote The 63 has one section where the bus gets up to 50MPH (off peak) lucky to get upto 30MPH at peak time for a whole of 2 miles with a stop in the middle where the bus comes off the road, the rest of the route struggles to get above 20MPH with traffic, junctions, roundabouts and stopping at every stop. Couple this with the operating length of most 63 boards being very similar to other operators using electrics pushes people working on buses in the Teesside area to think there may be other plans for the depots across Teesside…..

Aye that's true, keep forgetting that it's not a car and has passengers. Haven't heard anything about these depots but going to assume the some rumours are some form of a superdepot somewhere?

(24 Apr 2025, 8:33 pm)Storx wrote Aye that's true, keep forgetting that it's not a car and has passengers. Haven't heard anything about these depots but going to assume the some rumours are some form of a superdepot somewhere?

Stockton weren’t allowed to bid for electric vehicles due to being ‘too close to the river’ apparently and Redcar turning them down for the 63 due to ‘range issues’ just stinks of excuses

(Yesterday, 5:16 pm)Teessider2014 wrote Stockton weren’t allowed to bid for electric vehicles due to being ‘too close to the river’ apparently and Redcar turning them down for the 63 due to ‘range issues’ just stinks of excuses

Must admit the river excuse seems nonsense considering how close Riverside is to the Tyne and heck, Blyth to the sea.

Mind deep down I have a feeling the Redcar reason is the don't want to buy midibuses, so they've used it as an opportunity to displace the MMC's at Darlington down South. The Arriva midibus fleet in some places is truely horrendous, there's still 04 Plate MPD's down in Kent for example.

Terrible for the North East now mind if that does happens as it doesn't solve the old fleet issues up here at all but they've done it at Gillingham and they've done it at Leicester now.

(Yesterday, 7:01 pm)Storx wrote Must admit the river excuse seems nonsense considering how close Riverside is to the Tyne and heck, Blyth to the sea.

Mind deep down I have a feeling the Redcar reason is the don't want to buy midibuses, so they've used it as an opportunity to displace the MMC's at Darlington down South. The Arriva midibus fleet in some places is truely horrendous, there's still 04 Plate MPD's down in Kent for example.

Terrible for the North East now mind if that does happens as it doesn't solve the old fleet issues up here at all but they've done it at Gillingham and they've done it at Leicester now.

Yeah crazy - an Arriva Stockton driver came up from Kent and was over the moon with the fleet here, everyone was like really?!

(Yesterday, 5:16 pm)Teessider2014 wrote Stockton weren’t allowed to bid for electric vehicles due to being ‘too close to the river’ apparently and Redcar turning them down for the 63 due to ‘range issues’ just stinks of excuses

Any Zebra 2 bids require DFT approval to make changes to what was originally planned. Arriva would have therefore had to evidence the range issue in order for DFT to accept it. DFT did accept it. Tells you all you need to know really. But we all love a conspiracy, don't we?