(Yesterday, 10:45 am)Storx wrote Hartlepool can't do full length vehicles because of the pits, so the only way they could do that would be upgrade routes elsewhere.

The likes of 3/4/7/8 at South Shields due to recent frequency cuts and interworking or the 23 at Sunderland would seem the obvious routes if you wanted to do something and then displace the E200's to Hartlepool. I'll let someone else choose, which ones.

Means everyone gets a little upgrade.

Hartlepool seemed to manage a few years back when they temporarily had a couple of MAN ALX300 running there. So there must be a way around it.

(Yesterday, 11:03 am)stagecoachfan wrote Hartlepool seemed to manage a few years back when they temporarily had a couple of MAN ALX300 running there. So there must be a way around it.

As I understand it, when that happened, any work requiring use of a pit saw them go to Stockton depot - which naturally they won’t be able to do once Stockton is 100% electric.

I've just come over the Wearmouth Bridge and saw a '74 plate Yutong Coach in Stagecoach long distance orange come the opposite way... It had the logo on the front but didn't display any route info on the destination. 

I initially thought Megabus but probably not....

Any ideas why this is here?

(Yesterday, 12:03 pm)logidoodah wrote I've just come over the Wearmouth Bridge and saw a '74 plate Yutong Coach in Stagecoach long distance orange come the opposite way... It had the logo on the front but didn't display any route info on the destination. 

I initially thought Megabus but probably not....

Any ideas why this is here?

It's at the Sunderland depot. Bustimes says it did the M96 yesterday on two trips

(Yesterday, 12:03 pm)logidoodah wrote I've just come over the Wearmouth Bridge and saw a '74 plate Yutong Coach in Stagecoach long distance orange come the opposite way... It had the logo on the front but didn't display any route info on the destination. 

I initially thought Megabus but probably not....

Any ideas why this is here?

They're for Bluebird, it's 57003.
001 and 002 have already been through. Presumably they're using Sunderland as a pit stop for tacho/recharge purposes.

E400EV 80000 has arrived at Stockton, once prep’d and familiarisation has taken place it should enter service on the scheduled decker working on 5197, UTC and 58

(Yesterday, 10:45 am)Storx wrote Hartlepool can't do full length vehicles because of the pits, so the only way they could do that would be upgrade routes elsewhere.

The likes of 3/4/7/8 at South Shields due to recent frequency cuts and interworking or the 23 at Sunderland would seem the obvious routes if you wanted to do something and then displace the E200's to Hartlepool. I'll let someone else choose, which ones.

Means everyone gets a little upgrade.

To be fair looking at the route maps of Hartlepool's Services 3/3A/6 & 7 could easily be merged with Stockton's 34/35 from Billingham and the 36/36A, only issue would be if the E12 can manage the pits.

(Yesterday, 10:45 am)Storx wrote Hartlepool can't do full length vehicles because of the pits, so the only way they could do that would be upgrade routes elsewhere.

The likes of 3/4/7/8 at South Shields due to recent frequency cuts and interworking or the 23 at Sunderland would seem the obvious routes if you wanted to do something and then displace the E200's to Hartlepool. I'll let someone else choose, which ones.

Means everyone gets a little upgrade.

Make most sense for the E300s to be cascaded to Sunderland/South Shields, make them full single decker operations (if possible) and then move the E200s down to Hartlepool as the stand alone Midi fleet depot. Then I'm sure Mr Houchen and Stagecoach can make an arrangement of 30 something E10s for Hartlepool depot...

(Yesterday, 6:58 pm)Teessider2014 wrote E400EV 80000 has arrived at Stockton, once prep’d and familiarisation has taken place it should enter service on the scheduled decker working on 5197, UTC and 58

Take it it’s a trial vehicle?

It a Electric yutong u11dd double decker for stagecoach Stockton depot this is trail is E400 ev Stockton depot

(Yesterday, 10:04 pm)benji123 wrote Make most sense for the E300s to be cascaded to Sunderland/South Shields, make them full single decker operations (if possible) and then move the E200s down to Hartlepool as the stand alone Midi fleet depot. Then I'm sure Mr Houchen and Stagecoach can make an arrangement of 30 something E10s for Hartlepool depot...

Aye that's my thoughts aswell, could send something to Slatyford aswell to get there's out aswell (unsure what) since they've got 13 for a PVR of 6 and they're completely inappropiate for the express routes and 70's which they keep ending up on lately. 

Don't really see the point in messing around with E300's at Hartlepool personally when there's E200's displaceable all over imo.

(Yesterday, 11:17 pm)Storx wrote Aye that's my thoughts aswell, could send something to Slatyford aswell to get there's out aswell (unsure what) since they've got 13 for a PVR of 6 and they're completely inappropiate for the express routes and 70's which they keep ending up on lately. 

Don't really see the point in messing around with E300's at Hartlepool personally when there's E200's displaceable all over imo.

They can’t really give anything to Slatyford. Remember we had the 272’s and a few 271’s and had to replace them with the 262’s as they’re Euro 5. So only places they can go in North East are Sunderland Hartlepool or South Shields. I’ve heard most of the E300’s are heading to Carlisle though so have to wait and see what’s happening.

(Yesterday, 10:15 pm)ReDemPTiion wrote Take it it’s a trial vehicle?

It's one of 5 supplied by Alexander Dennis to the "big 5" groups as seed vehicles.

AR/FB/GA/NX/SC74ZEB for Arriva, First, Go-Ahead, National Express (West Midlands) and Stagecoach respectively.

(Today, 2:07 am)ReDemPTiion wrote They can’t really give anything to Slatyford. Remember we had the 272’s and a few 271’s and had to replace them with the 262’s as they’re Euro 5. So only places they can go in North East are Sunderland Hartlepool or South Shields. I’ve heard most of the E300’s are heading to Carlisle though so have to wait and see what’s happening.

Aye no arguments, it's what I meant by the unsure what. Be interesting to see what they replace at Carlisle mind, as there's not really anything over there which needs replacing. 

Wonder if we might see something in return ie. the microfleet of 7 E200MMC's which would be useful over here at Slatyford and/or Walkergate. They don't appear to have a specific route and are just all over the place, even known they've just got them a few month ago from Fife.

(Today, 8:01 am)Storx wrote Aye no arguments, it's what I meant by the unsure what. Be interesting to see what they replace at Carlisle mind, as there's not really anything over there which needs replacing. 

Wonder if we might see something in return ie. the microfleet of 7 E200MMC's which would be useful over here at Slatyford and/or Walkergate. They don't appear to have a specific route and are just all over the place, even known they've just got them a few month ago from Fife.

There was talk when we were receiving Stocktons 262**’s that we were due some from other depots as well so I do wonder if the 27***’s from Stockton would free them up to move to Slatyford. I work at Slatyford and a few of the controllers did mention other 26***’s coming in from other depots so it could be them.

Anyone know why most of the Sunderland Yutongs aren't in service?

Or are they not tracking?

Was the same yesterday too.

(10 hours ago)Michael wrote Anyone know why most of the Sunderland Yutongs aren't in service?

Or are they not tracking?

Was the same yesterday too.

Must be a tracking issue as no E1/2/6 services shown on Bustimes. If there was an issue with the electric buses, non electrics would be running and tracking I guess.

E400 EV want at Stockton right now is on loan or is it Stockton buses.

(Yesterday, 11:17 pm)Storx wrote Aye that's my thoughts aswell, could send something to Slatyford aswell to get there's out aswell (unsure what) since they've got 13 for a PVR of 6 and they're completely inappropiate for the express routes and 70's which they keep ending up on lately. 

Don't really see the point in messing around with E300's at Hartlepool personally when there's E200's displaceable all over imo.

Because quite a few Journeys on the 1 6/7 need full size buses that’s why.

(Yesterday, 8:39 pm)Malarkey wrote To be fair looking at the route maps of Hartlepool's Services 3/3A/6 & 7 could easily be merged with Stockton's 34/35 from Billingham and the 36/36A, only issue would be if the E12 can manage the pits.

It wouldn’t work the 6/7 struggle as it is to keep time it’s going to be  no good for someone at the Headland or Hart Station waiting about for buses because they 20 minutes late due to the A689 being closed and getting stuck in traffic at the seal sands.   How would it work as well you can’t very easily do a service from Stockton that goes though South Fens, Owton Manor, Rift House and Oxford Road to Hart Station it would take to long and be an absolute nightmare to manage.  They is a reason Hartlepool has always been separate from the rest of Teesside network.

(Yesterday, 7:34 am)LVK 404L wrote E300 27631 looks to have joined sister 27632 at Sunderland from Shields.

Replaced at shields with 27158 that entered service Tuesday following repaint

(Today, 8:23 am)ReDemPTiion wrote There was talk when we were receiving Stocktons 262**’s that we were due some from other depots as well so I do wonder if the 27***’s from Stockton would free them up to move to Slatyford. I work at Slatyford and a few of the controllers did mention other 26***’s coming in from other depots so it could be them.

Yeah that's the sort of thing I was thinking, but not sure why they'd send them to the North West to then send them here after a few months. Mind that said it does seem, at times, that the management don't really have a clue what the plan is either and they're just going on a whim.

(4 hours ago)col87 wrote Because quite a few Journeys on the 1 6/7 need full size buses that’s why.

There's barely any difference, like 4 seats or similar. Personally, rather than pissing around rebuilding a depot, if the numbers are high enough they need more capacity I'd just source some deckers from somewhere and drop both routes down to every 15 minutes.

No-one is losing any sleep over a 12 minute frequency vs 15 minute frequency.

(Yesterday, 1:03 pm)F114TML wrote They're for Bluebird, it's 57003.
001 and 002 have already been through. Presumably they're using Sunderland as a pit stop for tacho/recharge purposes.

Is it definitely 003 ? Just asking because I saw 57002 (SJ74 UPC) on the outskirts of Sheffield today so it maybe heading south for demonstration work, or a visit to a dealer.

(1 hour ago)Storx wrote Yeah that's the sort of thing I was thinking, but not sure why they'd send them to the North West to then send them here after a few months. Mind that said it does seem, at times, that the management don't really have a clue what the plan is either and they're just going on a whim.


There's barely any difference, like 4 seats or similar. Personally, rather than pissing around rebuilding a depot, if the numbers are high enough they need more capacity I'd just source some deckers from somewhere and drop both routes down to every 15 minutes.

No-one is losing any sleep over a 12 minute frequency vs 15 minute frequency.

Want to tell that to the passengers in Hartlepool then, we have a bad service as it is half the time without losing more buses and decreasing the frequency further.  The double deckers might be nice though and they is always a way around the pit issue, don’t forget it wasnt so long ago that one of the Man 18.220 was going to be a permanent bus in the Hartlepool fleet and Stagecoach manage told the Transport users group just last year that some of Stocktons fleet would transfer to Hartlepool once Stockton went electric, so clearly they was plans either to sort the pit out or ways round it.