(09 Jul 2025, 4:23 pm)L469 YVK wrote I was on this yesterday morning and was fine!

Unless it was being parked waiting for a PM driver / fitter to be ferried up.

Apologies it was 6110, seemed to be back on 307/9 the next day

If Consett could reduce the low height PVR from 12x to 8x (as suggested in the July 2025 changes thread), something like this could be a start to sort out and standardise the deckers.

Basically means:
- Consett - ADL E400MMC / Volvo B9TL
- Percy Main - StreetDeck
- Washington - StreetDeck
- Deptford - ADL E400MMC / B5TL
- Riverside - ADL E400 / ADL E400MMC / Volvo B9TL

Main points:
- All the 20/70 plate StreetDecks kept together at Washington. 

- 6043-48 put into a spare / low key role and out of main service.

- 6301-07 put into a spare / low key role and out of main service.

- More spare vehicles / better rotation for the X10.

- X5/X15 get better vehicles.

- X21 gets better vehicles.

- 6232-40 could go to Riverside for Gateshead local work on the likes of the 51/52/93/94 and 57

Then if the X10 eventually gets new deckers, 6350-55 could go on the X20 and that would standardise Deptford too. 

Next 'big' order after the 56 should be the 10/10A/10B/12 IMO.

Wright StreetDeck Electroliner
- 21 (think PVR 16-18)

Volvo B9TL
- 6043-48 - Consett
Spare (6x)

- 6086-6109 - Consett
16/16A (PVR 8x)
47 (PVR 7x)
X32/X45/X73 (PVR 9x)

- 6110-17 - Riverside 
X21 (PVR 8x)

Wright StreetDeck
- 6301-07 - Percy Main
Spare/DFDS

- 6315-29* - Percy Main - 307/309
307 (PVR 6x)
309 (PVR 8x)
Spare* (1x) - available if future PVR increase

- 6330-33 - Washington
Spare (3x)
34 (1x)

- 6356-76 - Washington
50 (PVR 7x)
X1 (PVR 12x)
34 (PVR 3x)

- 6377 - Riverside
Spare (1x)

ADL E400MMC
- 6336-37 - Consett
Spare (2x)

- 6338-49 - Consett 
X5/X15 (PVR 4x)*
X30/X31/X70/X71 (PVR 8x)

* X5/X15 allocated spare B9TL if 6336-37 not available

- 6350-55 - Riverside
X10 (PVR 4x)
Spare (2x)

- 6378-91 (???) - Deptford
56 (PVR 14x)

Roomer has it the X20 is going the journey shortly replaced between langley park and durham by a service operated from consett and the sunderland to durham operated by the 20/20A all day so newer buses for it wont be needed, unless deckers are put on the 20/20A

(Yesterday, 2:34 pm)N1cholas wrote Roomer has it the X20 is going the journey shortly replaced between langley park and durham by a service operated from consett  and the sunderland to durham operated by the 20/20A all day so newer buses for it wont be needed, unless deckers are put on the 20/20A

Why would GNE scrap the X20 when they've only within the last 18 months re-introduced it using BSIP funding?

Could be seriously dangerous territory if GNE mess around with the X5/X15 and increase the journey times.

(03 Jul 2025, 11:50 am)logidoodah wrote I'm on a Flixbus right now and just passed 5 or 6 Angel double deckers near Wetherby turn off. My driver is from Stanley Coaches and last year left working for National Express after 3 decades and started talking about how greedy GNE are for grasping at any work they can get eventhough they are a failure of a company and their buses don't work. 

He said there'll be some old biddy somewhere waiting for her only hourly (or less) bus to the shops and it doesn't turn up because they have prioritised Silverstone over their own customers. 

Interesting take, and I must add they had lots of traffic stuck behind them as all of them were incredibly slow, with destinations not working and bits hanging off with paint scraped etc .. you'd think they were off to the scrapyard not representing a company at a national event and having to do the whole journey there and back!

(Yesterday, 2:34 pm)N1cholas wrote Roomer has it the X20 is going the journey shortly replaced between langley park and durham by a service operated from consett  and the sunderland to durham operated by the 20/20A all day so newer buses for it wont be needed, unless deckers are put on the 20/20A

Also circulating amongst the rumours are X20 Sunderland to Durham ( Limited Stop) Park Lane, Board Inn, Houghton Church, Rainton Bridge, Belmont Industrial Park, and  Durham.
And 20A staying as it is Eves and Sunday

No reason why an X5/X15 couldn't be re-routed from Lanchester via Bargate Bank/Hamsteel Lane & Low Moor Road into Langley Park and then continue on existing route.

I also have a Circular Route Suggestion which would replace the Durham-Brandon 21 Extension/X20 Durham-Langley Park whilst connecting other surrounding areas to better connect the County Durham Villages in these areas.

14/15 - Durham - Nevilles Cross - Langley Moor - Brandon - Brandon Village - New Brancepeth - Ushaw Moor - Esh Winning - Langley Park - Witton Gilbert - Sacriston - Plawsworth - Arnison Centre - Framwellgate Moor - University Hospital - Durham

(Yesterday, 4:39 pm)Malarkey wrote No reason why an X5/X15 couldn't be re-routed from Lanchester via Bargate Bank/Hamsteel Lane & Low Moor Road into Langley Park and then continue on existing route.

I also have a Circular Route Suggestion which would replace the Durham-Brandon 21 Extension/X20 Durham-Langley Park whilst connecting other surrounding areas to better connect the County Durham Villages in these areas.

14/15 - Durham - Nevilles Cross - Langley Moor - Brandon - Brandon Village - New Brancepeth - Ushaw Moor - Esh Winning - Langley Park - Witton Gilbert - Sacriston - Plawsworth - Arnison Centre - Framwellgate Moor - University Hospital - Durham

I believe it is either the X5 or X15 that they are re routing to serve Langley Park

(Yesterday, 4:18 pm)Retro Nero wrote Also circulating amongst the rumours are X20 Sunderland to Durham ( Limited Stop) Park Lane, Board Inn, Houghton Church, Rainton Bridge, Belmont Industrial Park, and  Durham.
And 20A staying as it is Eves and Sunday

(Yesterday, 4:57 pm)Retro Nero wrote I believe it is either the X5 or X15 that they are re routing to serve Langley Park

will they be doing Nettlesworth, Sacriston, Arnison Centre aswell or just Langley Park

They should just restore the X25 fully and 13/14 or whatever the number was fully like it was for years. 

Make more sense than pissing about with the pointless 82 extension to the QE, the short 725 and the 22 doing a magical tour around Wrekenton and half the North East from CLS to Newcastle.

I believe GNE operate the rest of the 22 (Newcastle to Wrekenton) commercially anyway so they can continue doing that.

Sending either the X5/X15 in is a terrible idea as it's cutting the frequency in half which isn't great as it is and removing the Sacriston and Langley Park to Arnison links which are vital imo so all of this is going to have to be subsidised anyway.

(Yesterday, 4:57 pm)Retro Nero wrote I believe it is either the X5 or X15 that they are re routing to serve Langley Park

Unless one serves Langley Park with the other going via Sacriston and the Arnison Centre?

GNE want to be seriously careful. A certain operator is already launching competing services against the 6/X73 & 21/X21/X66.

And they could easily launch a competing Durham - Consett service with only a PVR of 3x! And I think people would use it if they did!

Extending the X5/X15 to Langley Park via Arnison or however they would do it surely the journey times would just increase massively and drop LP to hourly.

Could the X20 not extend to Bishop or Amazon Warehouse

(11 hours ago)L469 YVK wrote Unless one serves Langley Park with the other going via Sacriston and the Arnison Centre?

GNE want to be seriously careful. A certain operator is already launching competing services against the 6/X73 & 21/X21/X66.

And they could easily launch a competing Durham - Consett service with only a PVR of 3x! And I think people would use it if they did!

You are deluded. 

I doubt a pathetic attempt at competition like the X22/X43 will make any difference to Go North East.

(7 hours ago)NEtransport wrote You are deluded. 

I doubt a pathetic attempt at competition like the X22/X43 will make any difference to Go North East.

Not sure what's pathetic about an independent trying to make something work commercially mind. Makes a change to everyone leeching off tax payers money, like recent times. 

Don't disagree it won't impact GoNorthEast though, but I'm not sure it's what they're trying to do anyway.