Stepped on s couple of people's toes there - I'm sorry. In what was a clumsy way I was trying and hoping to generate a little more interaction between our members.

With regard to my PVR request. Thanks who did come back and let me know. I actually made it more but I'm just an outsider looking in.

Interesting, and doing my own research here. Dormanstown/Redcar have a fleet of some 49 vehicles. Most of them,if I'm correct,looking at Bustimes just, on the road/in service.
So no shortage of vehicles to cover all the boards.  Unless I'm wrong of course!

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Are all the evoras being debranded from the Yorkshire coast livery. Seems a bit pointless of them having it if they are

(Yesterday, 4:51 pm)Ryland wrote Are all the evoras being debranded from the  Yorkshire coast livery. Seems a bit pointless of them having it if they are

Yeah apparently the new owners of Arriva don’t want route branding they want everything in Journey Mark.

Once all the Cotswold Stone, Frequenta, Max, Sapphire and Interurban liveries go, it's gonna be such a shame in my opinion. I understand the fleet can look an entire mess with a huge range of liveries which were designed to put on certain routes. I hope they still have 2 different liveries going forward like Stagecoach do as personally it will all look bland with everything in Journey Mark.

Also, I hope Arriva may also deep more into the advertising Market going forward as there is potential to make more money for the company with ads for food places, museums, destinations etc... I know they still put some on some of the buses but I feel like they ain't really making that much of a effort. Both inside and outside the vehicles advertising the latest stuff. That's if they are planning on scrapping route branding all together. Just would seem like a waste of a good opportunity having everything Journey Mark and having only Arriva Stickers inside.

The idea of route and service branding works - short term. Almost inevitably ideas come and go and vehicles get moved to operate different touted and from different depots. The only way it can work long term is for vehicles to be dedicted to and remain there. The way Arriva is moving vehicles around presently and the expected intakes of new fleet should demonstrate this.

(Yesterday, 5:27 pm)Mike_98 wrote Once all the Cotswold Stone, Frequenta, Max, Sapphire and Interurban liveries go, it's gonna be such a shame in my opinion. I understand the fleet can look an entire mess with a huge range of liveries which were designed to put on certain routes. I hope they still have 2 different liveries going forward like Stagecoach do as personally it will all look bland with everything in Journey Mark.

Also, I hope Arriva may also deep more into the advertising Market going forward as there is potential to make more money for the company with ads for food places, museums, destinations etc... I know they still put some on some of the buses but I feel like they ain't really making that much of a effort. Both inside and outside the vehicles advertising the latest stuff. That's if they are planning on scrapping route branding all together. Just would seem like a waste of a good opportunity having everything Journey Mark and having only Arriva Stickers inside.

Arriva dont own the advertising space on their vehicles. An external company called Global own the space and arrange the adverts.

(Yesterday, 5:49 pm)robisdave4554 wrote The idea of route and service branding works - short term. Almost inevitably ideas come and go and vehicles get moved to operate different touted and from different depots. The only way it can work long term is for vehicles to be dedicted to and remain there. The way Arriva is moving vehicles around presently and the expected intakes of new fleet should demonstrate this.

See I always think it's a bad idea personally, especially with a network like Arriva's as it means buses are fixed on a route or are off brand.

I'm not sure what happens down in Teesside but up in Blyth and Ashington if buses are late coming in, they're just swapped around to get things back on time; it's better than what happens at GNE imo where things are cut short, or one bus is 15 minutes late and there's another bus from the same depot just sitting there doing nothing because it's 'the wrong brand'. 

Secondly for something like the X4, if the 63 ends up getting Evora's aswell; you've got a situation where there's 8 of them getting rat arsed over the hills every day and the other ones are just sitting around doing easy routes all day - another serious issue with GNE really. It's much better for one day it'll do the 63, then the next day it does the X4 and repeat.

The Evoras came to Redcar to replace the ageing Pulsars that couldn't cope with the demands of the X4 and possibly to allow the crappy Temsa fleet to be withdrawn. The idea of the route branding meant virtually nothing as apart from the fact they are in a powerful vehicle there is nothing else special about them. Clearly Evoras - if that is Redcar are getting anymore - for the 63''s is a good an necessary one as the Pulsars, seriously good that they once were, can't go on for ever. We wait and see what happens.