Write down if the services are late , terrible times to run and other inconvieniancies


Eg:

935 Sunderland Park Lane - Witherwack Estate VIA City Centre , Chester Road , Pallion , Hylton Retail Park , Laburnum Grove , Hylton Castle Estate and Downhill Kingsway


What on earth are these runs ! According to google maps from Wiltshire Road Turning Circle the 935 run 5:41 and 6:41 in the morning !

Seriously what !

Some people have to go to work at that time in the morning.

I honestly don't understand how (or why) the 935 has survived so long when the 135/136 went years ago now (and there are parts of the route, such as Thompson Road, which are basically unserved). I presume that Nexus are still funding this? Passenger numbers, from when I was a driver, were fairly low. I recall picking up (and dropping off when it was the 135/136) a member of Nexus staff as a 'regular' from Town End Farm.

If you were going from Witherwack or Redhouse to Sunderland Hospital, surely you would get the 16 anyway?

57A: North Shields to Whitley Bay on Evenings / Sunday

Really don't understand why it exists nowadays when every daytime service in the area runs on an evening anyway. It leads to a bizarre situation where there's more buses from North Shields to Rake Lane at 11pm (3 BPH) than during the day (2 BPH) and I believe Nexus is funding the whole 3 BPH aswell (317 Evenings)

My cousin was a bus driver and he said that the 23 from Thorney Close-Dene Estate also had a doppelganger route numbered 24 , also beetween Thorney Close and Dene Estate so one must've been taken more and the other must've been less used untill the 24 got withdrawn.

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Heard a Friend say that "The West Monkseaton Metro Sshould be renamed to South Wellfield Metro because South Wellfield Is closer"

(30 Jun 2026, 9:32 pm)Storx wrote 57A: North Shields to Whitley Bay on Evenings / Sunday

Really don't understand why it exists nowadays when every daytime service in the area runs on an evening anyway. It leads to a bizarre situation where there's more buses from North Shields to Rake Lane at 11pm (3 BPH) than during the day (2 BPH) and I believe Nexus is funding the whole 3 BPH aswell (317 Evenings)

I believe the 57A only runs to make a 30 min service to North Shields down Billy mill lane as 354 doesn’t run on evenings

(01 Jul 2026, 6:04 am)EastGatesheadRider wrote My cousin was a bus driver and he said that the 23 from Thorney Close-Dene Estate also had a doppelganger route numbered 24 , also beetween Thorney Close and Dene Estate so one must've been taken more and the other must've been less used untill the 24 got withdrawn.

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Heard a Friend say that "The West Monkseaton Metro Sshould be renamed to South Wellfield Metro because South Wellfield Is closer"

24 was Thorney Close to Seaburn and omitted Dene Estate 

They then withdrew the 24 and extended 23 from Dene Estate to Seaburn

Not much difference otherwise

(30 Jun 2026, 9:32 pm)Storx wrote 57A: North Shields to Whitley Bay on Evenings / Sunday

Really don't understand why it exists nowadays when every daytime service in the area runs on an evening anyway. It leads to a bizarre situation where there's more buses from North Shields to Rake Lane at 11pm (3 BPH) than during the day (2 BPH) and I believe Nexus is funding the whole 3 BPH aswell (317 Evenings)

I see it as a good working. It works well on evenings & Sundays. 

Rake lane as it is currently especially into Whitley Bay during the day has enough buses. Its annoying that there is only one bus from North Shields to Rake lane. 

Same could be said about the rest of the hospitals in the North East. The fact the 57 was the only bus to Cramlington Hospital for the longest time till the 43 went on Sundays & 19 only in March. 

Lets talk about this funny thing. Freeman Hospital has a better bus service than Newcastle main hospital the RVI. Let that sink in. Freeman Hospital has more bus links than the RVI

(01 Jul 2026, 9:17 am)Nerd4321 wrote I see it as a good working. It works well on evenings & Sundays. 

Rake lane as it is currently especially into Whitley Bay during the day has enough buses. Its annoying that there is only one bus from North Shields to Rake lane. 

Same could be said about the rest of the hospitals in the North East. The fact the 57 was the only bus to Cramlington Hospital for the longest time till the 43 went on Sundays & 19 only in March. 

Lets talk about this funny thing. Freeman Hospital has a better bus service than Newcastle main hospital the RVI. Let that sink in. Freeman Hospital has more bus links than the RVI

Nah I get what you're saying tbf, see I could see arguments for it all day but without the day service it just seems an odd extension (it's very much legacy).

See from a hospital point of view, I think it'd be better to find a way to run the 57 from Cramlington to Whitley Bay instead. Northumbria Hospital actually doesn't have a bus service in the evening right now which imo is appalling, nor does East Cramlington. 

ie something like:


By scrapping the 19 extension and instead doing a 57 extension instead. It's all PVR and subsidy neutral. The 57 is a much busier service than the 19 during the day and generally the 57/57A is doing quite well lately tbf to it.

Go North East's 4 for me. Because it's a lot less frequent now, and without any alternatives, it's literally stop start all the way from Washington to Heworth.

Without the Follingsby diversion, this could be done in well under 20 minutes.

GNEs 16/16A. Somehow with or without traffic the buses are constantly late, a lot up to 20 minutes late. Constant breakdowns. Despite double deckers being needed, I feel they don't suit the route as there are so many elderly and disabled people who can not go upstairs, making the downstairs extremely crowded when the upstairs could be empty..

(01 Jul 2026, 2:13 pm)Iamtheone8483748 wrote GNEs 16/16A. Somehow with or without traffic the buses are constantly late, a lot up to 20 minutes late. Constant breakdowns. Despite double deckers being needed, I feel they don't suit the route as there are so many elderly and disabled people who can not go upstairs, making the downstairs extremely crowded when the upstairs could be empty..

Completely agreed. Ive tried to use it many times as a cross town service for medical appointments in consett (Shotley Bridge to Leadgate) and had to get a taxi due to delays. Some people do use it from end to end due to occasional reliability issues with the X15 but not often.

Been noticing some trouble with the E2 from Monkwearmouth Tescos , On my way back to Whitburn I have been noticing some bad lateness with not only me but other passengers gotten so bad I just ended up getting the ED4 to Peterlee to stay at my friends house that night.

A historical one.......but Arriva's X6 when they had the initial ****show with changes in September 2012.

Was then split with:
- Extended 306 to W.Bay
- 51 (now 351)
- 54 (basically the old 356 but to W.Bay - now 354/54A in most parts)

319

Is there a need for it

No not at all

Its just a faff about the fact nobody can be bothered to run a proper service through the tunnel. There's tons of opportunities for a proper service but no company seems to not bothered

Why the 319 came back is cause Stagecoach pulled due to the works in the tunnel causing delays and GNE well gne did it just cause they wanted to. Remember never stick it out for a year thats the GNE way

Whitley bay, Cullercoats, Tynemouth, Cobalt, North Shields all these places for people south of the tyne to visit yet they are not given a proper bus service. Utilise the tunnel use it to advantages. If Arriva still had a Jesmond depot id say they would have gone for it

350 and W2.

Two completely pointless services imo.

Just merge the 350/351/W2 into one route running every 30 minutes doing the 351 route extended to Whitley Metro (the busiest one out the 3 whenever I see it at the Whitley side).

(02 Jul 2026, 2:12 pm)Storx wrote 350 and W2.

Two completely pointless services imo.

Just merge the 350/351/W2 into one route running every 30 minutes doing the 351 route extended to Whitley Metro (the busiest one out the 3 whenever I see it at the Whitley side).

i'm about to get on the 350 right now and trust me its a lot better than the 351 and it also exists so that the 350/351 can run on their own as previously the 351, 359 and 335 were all connected. as it stands im pretty sure it'd be impossible to make the 351 every 30 mins even if it didn't additionally serve the W2 route, and the lower journey times on 350 are much needed. its actually faster than the 309 to Whitley bay.

(02 Jul 2026, 2:12 pm)Storx wrote 350 and W2.

Two completely pointless services imo.

Just merge the 350/351/W2 into one route running every 30 minutes doing the 351 route extended to Whitley Metro (the busiest one out the 3 whenever I see it at the Whitley side).

350 is a way quicker bus to Whitley Bay and skips out all the estates the 351 does

W2 absolutely no way of what your thinking and here's why

The W2 to me is a perfect little route that a lot of people use and take into Whitley Bay. Lets take an example here. Say you were to withdraw the W2 and replace it with a 30 mins 351. What happens if the 351 is cancelled. Or is heavily delayed due to something or the bus broke down

With the W2 being its own little service (yea it doesn't go far) but its that little lifeline for the people who need it. I can understand why neuxs wont consultate to withdraw it

Same thing could be said about the M71 which returned for a year and was possed to be withdrawn in March but has seen an up in passengers. The problem is nexus dont advertised these services. Say the M71 was ran by Stagecoach or GNE then people would use it more but cause its ran by GCT nobody knows about it

Can anybody tell ms tender details on how the 558 hasnt been withdrawn by now ? Tourism (probably not) Saw a couple nexus researchers on asking people where they are getting off and even once a woman asking to stay on after Heworth to go to Pelaw Metro

(02 Jul 2026, 3:52 pm)Nerd4321 wrote 350 is a way quicker bus to Whitley Bay and skips out all the estates the 351 does

W2 absolutely no way of what your thinking and here's why

The W2 to me is a perfect little route that a lot of people use and take into Whitley Bay. Lets take an example here. Say you were to withdraw the W2 and replace it with a 30 mins 351. What happens if the 351 is cancelled. Or is heavily delayed due to something or the bus broke down

With the W2 being its own little service (yea it doesn't go far) but its that little lifeline for the people who need it. I can understand why neuxs wont consultate to withdraw it

Same thing could be said about the M71 which returned for a year and was possed to be withdrawn in March but has seen an up in passengers. The problem is nexus dont advertised these services. Say the M71 was ran by Stagecoach or GNE then people would use it more but cause its ran by GCT nobody knows about it

Nah I get what you're saying about the W2, but I just think prioritising the 351 would be better, you have to remember it was commercial until quite recently so who knows if you make one route attractive you might end up with a situation where the other route can be subsidised aswell.

Like just picking out Benton ASDA, it's borderline unusable on the 351 from somewhere like Shiremoor as you either have 26 or 86 minutes to do your shopping which is either too short/too long. 56 minutes on the other hand would be about on the nail. Hourly services are just really unattractive, unless you have time to burn as if you just miss a bus for whatever reason then it's turned into an ultra long commute. 

They really should be serving Northumberland Park aswell, for connections to the Metro/Train. It doesn't give you much hope when Kim McGuiness bangs about integration yet their buses drive straight past the interchanges.

(Btw for reference I know someone at East Benton Rise and have been meaning to go round to his at times, but always put it off because it's challenging to connect to the 351 because of the above)

(02 Jul 2026, 4:49 pm)Storx wrote Nah I get what you're saying about the W2, but I just think prioritising the 351 would be better, you have to remember it was commercial until quite recently so who knows if you make one route attractive you might end up with a situation where the other route can be subsidised aswell.

Like just picking out Benton ASDA, it's borderline unusable on the 351 from somewhere like Shiremoor as you either have 26 or 86 minutes to do your shopping which is either too short/too long. 56 minutes on the other hand would be about on the nail. Hourly services are just really unattractive, unless you have time to burn as if you just miss a bus for whatever reason then it's turned into an ultra long commute. 

They really should be serving Northumberland Park aswell, for connections to the Metro/Train. It doesn't give you much hope when Kim McGuiness bangs about integration yet their buses drive straight past the interchanges.

(Btw for reference I know someone at East Benton Rise and have been meaning to go round to his at times, but always put it off because it's challenging to connect to the 351 because of the above)

This 

THIS EXACTLY THIS

How can we have buses back under public control if bus companies cant be bothered to send there bus services into metro or train stations 

The Northumberland Line is the biggest flaw for this by far. A train line which gives connections to areas and Newsham, Bebside & Ashington have a bus service nowhere close to the station. 

Bebside & Newsham even have a bus stop inside the station car park yet its not used by anything. Yet stated by posters at Newsham the X8 is meant to serve it. 

There was an article posted a few months ago about Arriva & Northern having pops at each other with Northern saying they dont want bus services to compete with the rail & Arriva saying why should they put buses into the stations 

You cant really call Northumberland Park an interchange cause it just isn't. An interchange is to change to multiple buses. And what do u have serving it. The 19. ONE BUS SERVICE for a station that has the metro which states "for Cobalt business park Silverlink retail AND local bus services "

One bus service to Cobalt & Silverlink from Northumberland Park its pathetic. 353/354/356 stop right round the corner. Re route them into the interchange. Send the 350 in there. Hell rumours were the 22 was gonna go there. Still aint seen it happen


We cant have a function buses back under public control if companies cant stop arguing over building blocks like there 5 years old

Even more shocking. Look at the hospital. I mentioned this the other day. The RVI. Newcastle main big hospital has 2 bus routes while the Wansbeck/QE/Freeman/Rake Lane get a better bus service 

Its all for profit these days screw the customer. Customer wants the bus route extended here. Tough dont care

It took them 3 years to re introduced the 342 round via the Airport & Dinnington again. That shows how bad a bus network is. But I can assure Big Kimmy is still busy playing grim reaper till the final old metro is scrapped and off the tracks

Oh and also I dont want to hear this "but people can walk to the bus stops which are 400meters" or some sh!t like that. This is the reason a lot of services are seeing drops in passenger numbers. Cause people want a direct bus service to these places. They dont want to walk miles for a bus

(02 Jul 2026, 6:06 pm)Nerd4321 wrote This 

THIS EXACTLY THIS

How can we have buses back under public control if bus companies cant be bothered to send there bus services into metro or train stations 

The Northumberland Line is the biggest flaw for this by far. A train line which gives connections to areas and Newsham, Bebside & Ashington have a bus service nowhere close to the station. 

Bebside & Newsham even have a bus stop inside the station car park yet its not used by anything. Yet stated by posters at Newsham the X8 is meant to serve it. 

There was an article posted a few months ago about Arriva & Northern having pops at each other with Northern saying they dont want bus services to compete with the rail & Arriva saying why should they put buses into the stations 

You cant really call Northumberland Park an interchange cause it just isn't. An interchange is to change to multiple buses. And what do u have serving it. The 19. ONE BUS SERVICE for a station that has the metro which states "for Cobalt business park Silverlink retail AND local bus services "

One bus service to Cobalt & Silverlink from Northumberland Park its pathetic. 353/354/356 stop right round the corner. Re route them into the interchange. Send the 350 in there. Hell rumours were the 22 was gonna go there. Still aint seen it happen


We cant have a function buses back under public control if companies cant stop arguing over building blocks like there 5 years old

Even more shocking. Look at the hospital. I mentioned this the other day. The RVI. Newcastle main big hospital has 2 bus routes while the Wansbeck/QE/Freeman/Rake Lane get a better bus service 

Its all for profit these days screw the customer. Customer wants the bus route extended here. Tough dont care

It took them 3 years to re introduced the 342 round via the Airport & Dinnington again. That shows how bad a bus network is. But I can assure Big Kimmy is still busy playing grim reaper till the final old metro is scrapped and off the tracks

Oh and also I dont want to hear this "but people can walk to the bus stops which are 400meters" or some sh!t like that. This is the reason a lot of services are seeing drops in passenger numbers. Cause people want a direct bus service to these places. They dont want to walk miles for a bus

100% agree. although slightly off topic I don't see the point in the 342 serving the airport as it deems the route basically useless for getting to Kingston park
my girlfriend used to use the 342 to get to Kingston park for the metro to get to work every morning, but now that it dilly dallies around the airport it takes far too long for it to be worth using bar evenings and Sundays, so she gets the much earlier 44 to regent centre, that half of the time doesn't even show up. i know its a contracted route so few people were using it in the first place but surely that extension just makes the service even less attractive to people around Hazelrigg, Wideopen, Dudley and Killingworth.

The E6

No

Just no

Just not now

Stop start stop start all the way from Mortimer Road North to Marsden Inn and it wont change , every single journey ive been on its been stop start stop start all the way from there to there I dont reccomend this route to anybody.

(05 Jul 2026, 4:04 pm)EastGatesheadRider wrote The E6

No

Just no

Just not now

Stop start stop start all the way from Mortimer Road North to Marsden Inn and it wont change , every single journey ive been on its been stop start stop start all the way from there to there I dont reccomend this route to anybody.

It can obviously be recommended to all those people causing it to stop and start.

The RVI is a 6-7 minute walk from Haymarket Metro and the 2 bus stations. It’s by far the best connected of any hospital in the region

It doesn’t need a bus going there directly, the traffic around there would make it incredibly unreliable and quicker to walk.

(05 Jul 2026, 4:04 pm)EastGatesheadRider wrote The E6

No

Just no

Just not now

Stop start stop start all the way from Mortimer Road North to Marsden Inn and it wont change , every single journey ive been on its been stop start stop start all the way from there to there I dont reccomend this route to anybody.

Isn't that what a bus is supposed to do?

(02 Jul 2026, 6:06 pm)Nerd4321 wrote This 

THIS EXACTLY THIS

How can we have buses back under public control if bus companies cant be bothered to send there bus services into metro or train stations 

The Northumberland Line is the biggest flaw for this by far. A train line which gives connections to areas and Newsham, Bebside & Ashington have a bus service nowhere close to the station. 

Bebside & Newsham even have a bus stop inside the station car park yet its not used by anything. Yet stated by posters at Newsham the X8 is meant to serve it. 

There was an article posted a few months ago about Arriva & Northern having pops at each other with Northern saying they dont want bus services to compete with the rail & Arriva saying why should they put buses into the stations 

You cant really call Northumberland Park an interchange cause it just isn't. An interchange is to change to multiple buses. And what do u have serving it. The 19. ONE BUS SERVICE for a station that has the metro which states "for Cobalt business park Silverlink retail AND local bus services "

One bus service to Cobalt & Silverlink from Northumberland Park its pathetic. 353/354/356 stop right round the corner. Re route them into the interchange. Send the 350 in there. Hell rumours were the 22 was gonna go there. Still aint seen it happen


We cant have a function buses back under public control if companies cant stop arguing over building blocks like there 5 years old

Even more shocking. Look at the hospital. I mentioned this the other day. The RVI. Newcastle main big hospital has 2 bus routes while the Wansbeck/QE/Freeman/Rake Lane get a better bus service 

Its all for profit these days screw the customer. Customer wants the bus route extended here. Tough dont care

It took them 3 years to re introduced the 342 round via the Airport & Dinnington again. That shows how bad a bus network is. But I can assure Big Kimmy is still busy playing grim reaper till the final old metro is scrapped and off the tracks

Oh and also I dont want to hear this "but people can walk to the bus stops which are 400meters" or some sh!t like that. This is the reason a lot of services are seeing drops in passenger numbers. Cause people want a direct bus service to these places. They dont want to walk miles for a bus

Yeah totally agreed, tbh they need to do more studies for where people actually want to go. Like I'm not aware of any open survey which actually asks people where they want to go. 

The surveys on buses are completely pointless as you're asking the wrong people. It's just patting yourself on the back as the people who you really need to learn from are those who don't use the bus at all and find out why. 

I respect they do business parks etc, but beyond that I really don't have a clue how they know where demand actually is and at times, I don't think they really know either really.

(06 Jul 2026, 7:05 am)Dextrovert wrote Isn't that what a bus is supposed to do?

True , but tbh lots of fights were happening and whenever somebody got on we had to stop for1 minute while the driver talked about the air conditioning on the new electric buses and a fight happened so we had to stop on Stanhope Parade for like 10 minutes.

(05 Jul 2026, 5:32 pm)Ambassador wrote The RVI is a 6-7 minute walk from Haymarket Metro and the 2 bus stations. It’s by far the best connected of any hospital in the region

It doesn’t need a bus going there directly, the traffic around there would make it incredibly unreliable and quicker to walk.

There is a H service beetween Freeman Hospital and the RVI

RVI-Leazes Wing                                    16:00 16:16 16:40 17:00 17:20 16:40    
RVI Hospital                                            16:02 16:18 16:42 17:02 17:22 16:42    
South Gosforth Roundabout                16:16 16:36 16:56 17:16 17:36 16:56 
Freeman Hospital Grounds                  16:18 16:38 16:58 17:18 17:38 16:58       

All runs from 4'o Clock to 5

(06 Jul 2026, 3:41 pm)EastGatesheadRider wrote There is a H service beetween Freeman Hospital and the RVI

RVI-Leazes Wing                                    16:00 16:16 16:40 17:00 17:20 16:40    
RVI Hospital                                            16:02 16:18 16:42 17:02 17:22 16:42    
South Gosforth Roundabout                16:16 16:36 16:56 17:16 17:36 16:56 
Freeman Hospital Grounds                  16:18 16:38 16:58 17:18 17:38 16:58       

All runs from 4'o Clock to 5

This service is not for the general public though is it, it's NHS workers only