(25 Mar 2014, 4:58 pm)Acky81 wrote So officially what's left Sunderland for good??
And what's been returned??

Since 28001-17 entered service, the following moves have happened:

21156 R256 KRG - Stockton (Active Reserve) to Stockton (Reserve)
22172 T172 MVM - Sunderland to Reserve
22190 T190 MVM - Sunderland to Reserve
22195 T195 MVM - Stockton to Stockton (Reserve, taken off)
22196 T196 MVM - Sunderland to Reserve
22198 T198 TND - Stockton to Stockton (Active Reserve)
22199 T199 TND - Stockton to Stockton (Reserve, taken off)
22202 T202 TND - Stockton to Stockton (Awaiting Disposal)
22214 T214 TND - Sunderland to Slatyford
22215 T215 TND - Sunderland to Reserve
22453 S453 OFT - Sunderland to Stockton, since returned to Sunderland
22463 T463 BNL - Sunderland to Stockton, since returned to Sunderland
22464 T464 BNL - Sunderland to Stockton, since returned to Sunderland
22467 T467 BNL - Sunderland to Stockton
22487 T487 BNL - Sunderland to Stockton
22495 T495 BNL - Sunderland to Stockton
22727 T727 OEF - Sunderland to Reserve
22728 T728 OEF - Sunderland to Reserve
22729 T729 OEF - Sunderland to Reserve
22730 T730 OEF - Sunderland to Reserve
22731 T731 OEF - Sunderland to Stockton
22732 T732 OEF - Sunderland to Stockton (Awaiting Disposal)
22733 T733 OEF - Sunderland to Stockton
22734 T734 OEF - Sunderland to Stockton
22735 T735 OEF - Sunderland to Stockton
22736 T736 FVN - Sunderland to Reserve

Hi so can i ask you somethink so the ex man from sunderland are comeing to replace old man from stockton is that rigth

If I lived on Teesside I'd be foaming 15-16 year old buses as replacement not ideal. I won't miss them from Sunderland. Breakdowns and the most annoying thing you can't hardly see the destination blinds on evenings

(25 Mar 2014, 5:55 pm)Acky81 wrote If I lived on Teesside I'd be foaming 15-16 year old buses as replacement not ideal. I won't miss them from Sunderland. Breakdowns and the most annoying thing you can't hardly see the destination blinds on evenings

They are only a temporary move - they will be replaced later in the year by the new vehicles and (only rumoured at present) newer cascades from other depots.

By the end of the year, what remains of the non-DDA MANs will still be at the current 3 depots (Stockton, Sunderland and Slatyford) but in smaller numbers than now.

(25 Mar 2014, 5:58 pm)Kuyoyo wrote They are only a temporary move - they will be replaced later in the year by the new vehicles and (only rumoured at present) newer cascades from other depots.

By the end of the year, what remains of the non-DDA MANs will still be at the current 3 depots (Stockton, Sunderland and Slatyford) but in smaller numbers than now.

They're in a far better condition than Stockton's own fleet, I was on 22487 this afternoon and it is far better. I also had a ride on 22463 and that too was in a far better condition! Just been generally better looked after as far as I can tell...

(25 Mar 2014, 4:45 pm)Kuyoyo wrote 22467/87 have moved to Stockton, in use yesterday on the 52 and 36/38 respectively.

Makes it even more bizarre for them to have sent 22463/64 down to Teesside then back to Sunderland again. When it appeared to be to keep the 227xx series together it at least made a little sense, but are 22467/87 really that different or more suited to Teesside that 22463/64?? It cant be a case of which are in better condition as all four are still in active service, just at different depots.

Stagecoach have uploaded information for their services over the Easter period, it's the same as last year.

(25 Mar 2014, 9:16 pm)stagecoachbusdepot wrote Makes it even more bizarre for them to have sent 22463/64 down to Teesside then back to Sunderland again. When it appeared to be to keep the 227xx series together it at least made a little sense, but are 22467/87 really that different or more suited to Teesside that 22463/64?? It cant be a case of which are in better condition as all four are still in active service, just at different depots.

Bizarre.

I have just heard that 33492 has gone to Teesside on loan to cover 33488 which is now loosing spare parts as we speak. Regards Robin

(26 Mar 2014, 5:12 pm)Robinwtait.19 wrote I have just heard that 33492 has gone to Teesside on loan to cover 33488 which is now loosing spare parts as we speak. Regards Robin

33492 was parked on the pits in South Shields early this morning

Maybe Teesside can send you a MAN in exchange?

(26 Mar 2014, 5:47 pm)Roland Pratt wrote Maybe Teesside can send you a MAN in exchange?

Well I can safely say that 33492 is still at South Shields this evening

(26 Mar 2014, 6:12 pm)mrnut85 wrote Well I can safely say that 33492 is still at South Shields this evening

Was also out on road today too.

When are shields expecting the 2 37xxx darts?

Regards

Chris

(26 Mar 2014, 8:36 pm)Youngymmv wrote When are shields expecting the 2 37xxx darts?

Regards

Chris

We haven't a clue, from what has been said, when they are coming on the day.

Cheers for info

Regards

Chris

Chris. Do not no when we will get Those two 37xxx. Regards Robin

Any on here just took at picture of 28017 in front of park lane near stands A-G, this like 1 min ago, i was on the bus haha

Why was 3 spilt on a night farringdon to city centre only I never understood that. Does it change to 20? Why is this ?

(27 Mar 2014, 10:21 am)Acky81 wrote Why was 3 spilt on a night farringdon to city centre only I never understood that. Does it change to 20? Why is this ?

It interworks with the 20 on a night in the city centre however not sure why its spilt.

I saw man no 22486 on 14 on teesside this morning

(27 Mar 2014, 10:30 am)glen123 wrote I saw man no 22486 on 14 on teesside this morning

Another one shipped to Teesside then

(27 Mar 2014, 10:24 am)Michael wrote It interworks with the 20 on a night in the city centre however not sure why its spilt.

Can't see the point when the 3 still runs to Hylton castle neway

(26 Mar 2014, 6:12 pm)mrnut85 wrote Well I can safely say that 33492 is still at South Shields this evening

Back to normal today it's out on the 17/18 circuit.

(27 Mar 2014, 10:21 am)Acky81 wrote Why was 3 spilt on a night farringdon to city centre only I never understood that. Does it change to 20? Why is this ?

I think it's linked to the round trip time taking too long on the evening 30 minute frequency. The driver would have to be given a hefty layover in the City Centre (as previously done on Sundays prior to frequency upgrade).

(27 Mar 2014, 11:22 am)alibill_36 wrote Back to normal today it's out on the 17/18 circuit.

No doubt someone will still say it's on loan to Teesside lol

(27 Mar 2014, 1:29 pm)mrnut85 wrote No doubt someone will still say it's on loan to Teesside lol

Seems the stagecoach site has had a few changes.

(27 Mar 2014, 11:13 am)Acky81 wrote Can't see the point when the 3 still runs to Hylton castle neway

A Hylton Castle to Farringdon and back to Hylton Castle round trip on Service 3 would take about 75 minutes in the evening, so with a 30 minute frequency, it would take 3 buses with a 15 minute layover. A Pennywell to City Centre and back to Pennywell round trip on Service 20 would take about 40 minutes, so with a 30 minute frequency, it would take 2 buses with a 20 minute layover somewhere.

Doing a Farringdon to City Centre journey on the 3 then a round trip on the 20 to Pennywell and back then City Centre to Hylton Castle on the 3 then back to Farringdon takes just on 2 hours so on a 30 minute frequency it uses just 4 buses in total.

Yes, this seems more the convenience of the company but it saves a bus then it keeps fares down and/or keeps the evening service commercially viable, so Customers do win as well. And anyone wanting to travel from the Durham Road area to Southwick still does have the 4 and 13 available, so I can't see that many people would be inconvenienced by this.

And there is a fair bit of history of this happening in Sunderland. In Corporation Transport days, the 1 (Grangetown and Dene Estate), 7 (Town Centre and Docks), 15 (Town Centre and 25 (Town Centre and Witherwack) had a really complex interworking.

Regards
David P

(27 Mar 2014, 6:08 pm)Michael wrote Seems the stagecoach site has had a few changes.

Example of the new timetable area...