(29 Jun 2019, 8:11 pm)JP6004Haven't they just moved the displays to behind the front seat at the top of the stairs? I don't remember there being one there previously.
Think they are removed completely and replaced with LED displays. Notice the monitors and poles are gone from upper windscreen on all refurbed B9s
(29 Jun 2019, 8:11 pm)JP6004Haven't they just moved the displays to behind the front seat at the top of the stairs? I don't remember there being one there previously.
Think they are removed completely and replaced with LED displays. Notice the monitors and poles are gone from upper windscreen on all refurbed B9s
(29 Jun 2019, 8:16 pm)streetdeckfan Haven't they just moved the displays to behind the front seat at the top of the stairs? I don't remember there being one there previously.
It's been a while since I've been on, but I think it was just displaying a loop of the CCTV.
Then again, I could be totally wrong since I don't really go north of the river that often!
They're just advertisement screens. Guess they are also left there if its ever needed on 1/A/B. Is it possible 6056-6070 could be referred too along with these?
(29 Jun 2019, 8:16 pm)streetdeckfan Haven't they just moved the displays to behind the front seat at the top of the stairs? I don't remember there being one there previously.
It's been a while since I've been on, but I think it was just displaying a loop of the CCTV.
Then again, I could be totally wrong since I don't really go north of the river that often!
They're just advertisement screens. Guess they are also left there if its ever needed on 1/A/B. Is it possible 6056-6070 could be referred too along with these?
(29 Jun 2019, 8:31 pm)JM03
They're just advertisement screens. Guess they are also left there if its ever needed on 1/A/B. Is it possible 6056-6070 could be referred too along with these?
Like I say, I didn't really take much notice. I only got it to see what the refurbishment was like, and I made it to Silverlink before I decided I didn't like it. The tables were far too cramped to be usable and got the bus back to Newcastle!
Speaking of screens, do the Streetlites have a screen fitted underneath the stopping sign and it's just not in use, or did they spec it to not have one at all? I always thought it a bit strange that they installed an LED display for the NSA rather than use the LCD like Arriva do.
(29 Jun 2019, 8:31 pm)JM03
They're just advertisement screens. Guess they are also left there if its ever needed on 1/A/B. Is it possible 6056-6070 could be referred too along with these?
Like I say, I didn't really take much notice. I only got it to see what the refurbishment was like, and I made it to Silverlink before I decided I didn't like it. The tables were far too cramped to be usable and got the bus back to Newcastle!
Speaking of screens, do the Streetlites have a screen fitted underneath the stopping sign and it's just not in use, or did they spec it to not have one at all? I always thought it a bit strange that they installed an LED display for the NSA rather than use the LCD like Arriva do.
(29 Jun 2019, 8:43 pm)streetdeckfan
Like I say, I didn't really take much notice. I only got it to see what the refurbishment was like, and I made it to Silverlink before I decided I didn't like it. The tables were far too cramped to be usable and got the bus back to Newcastle!
Speaking of screens, do the Streetlites have a screen fitted underneath the stopping sign and it's just not in use, or did they spec it to not have one at all? I always thought it a bit strange that they installed an LED display for the NSA rather than use the LCD like Arriva do.
Im sure they're used on the 60 and find them a lot more better looking than the bar along the top
(29 Jun 2019, 8:43 pm)streetdeckfan
Like I say, I didn't really take much notice. I only got it to see what the refurbishment was like, and I made it to Silverlink before I decided I didn't like it. The tables were far too cramped to be usable and got the bus back to Newcastle!
Speaking of screens, do the Streetlites have a screen fitted underneath the stopping sign and it's just not in use, or did they spec it to not have one at all? I always thought it a bit strange that they installed an LED display for the NSA rather than use the LCD like Arriva do.
Im sure they're used on the 60 and find them a lot more better looking than the bar along the top
(29 Jun 2019, 8:45 pm)JM03
Im sure they're used on the 60 and find them a lot more better looking than the bar along the top
I find the LED display a lot better than the LCD from a usability perspective, but the LCD looks a lot nicer.
When I travel Arriva, assuming the displays are working, I find the glossy display quite hard to see, especially when it's sunny. But that might just be them cheaping out on the display!
(29 Jun 2019, 8:45 pm)JM03
Im sure they're used on the 60 and find them a lot more better looking than the bar along the top
I find the LED display a lot better than the LCD from a usability perspective, but the LCD looks a lot nicer.
When I travel Arriva, assuming the displays are working, I find the glossy display quite hard to see, especially when it's sunny. But that might just be them cheaping out on the display!
(29 Jun 2019, 8:52 pm)streetdeckfan
I find the LED display a lot better than the LCD from a usability perspective, but the LCD looks a lot nicer.
When I travel Arriva, assuming the displays are working, I find the glossy display quite hard to see, especially when it's sunny. But that might just be them cheaping out on the display!
At least my GP had Pacman animations on their LED screen 
. However, even they've moved on.
Much prefer the LCD ones myself.
The LED ones look like an afterthought in my opinion, which obviously they were in the likes of the refurbed Mercs.
However, in a brand new Streetlite, I don't think there's any excuse. Especially when you consider how long LED scrolling messages have been around for.
(29 Jun 2019, 8:52 pm)streetdeckfan
I find the LED display a lot better than the LCD from a usability perspective, but the LCD looks a lot nicer.
When I travel Arriva, assuming the displays are working, I find the glossy display quite hard to see, especially when it's sunny. But that might just be them cheaping out on the display!
At least my GP had Pacman animations on their LED screen . However, even they've moved on.
Much prefer the LCD ones myself.
The LED ones look like an afterthought in my opinion, which obviously they were in the likes of the refurbed Mercs.
However, in a brand new Streetlite, I don't think there's any excuse. Especially when you consider how long LED scrolling messages have been around for.
(29 Jun 2019, 8:52 pm)streetdeckfan
I find the LED display a lot better than the LCD from a usability perspective, but the LCD looks a lot nicer.
When I travel Arriva, assuming the displays are working, I find the glossy display quite hard to see, especially when it's sunny. But that might just be them cheaping out on the display!
They had the screens for CCTV...this is above the stairs. The TFT NSA was on the windscreen which has now been changed to the LED displays below the CCTV screens. All B9s with NSA have the same duo setup apart from the refurbs. Think GNE are moving away from the TFT, as you can see from all new vehicles from 2015 onwards
(29 Jun 2019, 8:52 pm)streetdeckfan
I find the LED display a lot better than the LCD from a usability perspective, but the LCD looks a lot nicer.
When I travel Arriva, assuming the displays are working, I find the glossy display quite hard to see, especially when it's sunny. But that might just be them cheaping out on the display!
They had the screens for CCTV...this is above the stairs. The TFT NSA was on the windscreen which has now been changed to the LED displays below the CCTV screens. All B9s with NSA have the same duo setup apart from the refurbs. Think GNE are moving away from the TFT, as you can see from all new vehicles from 2015 onwards
(29 Jun 2019, 9:00 pm)Andreos1
At least my GP had Pacman animations on their LED screen
Much prefer the LCD ones myself.
The LED ones look like an afterthought in my opinion, which obviously they were in the likes of the refurbed Mercs.
However, in a brand new Streetlite, I don't think there's any excuse. Especially when you consider how long LED scrolling messages have been around for.
Like I said, I find the LED displays easier to read than the LCD
I suppose it's the same argument people have about the LED destination display vs the destination blinds. (Although there shouldn't be an argument, LED is far superior)
(29 Jun 2019, 9:00 pm)JP6004
They had the screens for CCTV...this is above the stairs. The TFT NSA was on the windscreen which has now been changed to the LED displays below the CCTV screens. All B9s with NSA have the same duo setup apart from the refurbs. Think GNE are moving away from the TFT, as you can see from all new vehicles from 2015 onwards
Was there always a display above the stairs on Cobalts? I don't recall seeing it there before. But as I said before, I rarely travel travel on them
(29 Jun 2019, 9:00 pm)Andreos1
At least my GP had Pacman animations on their LED screen
Much prefer the LCD ones myself.
The LED ones look like an afterthought in my opinion, which obviously they were in the likes of the refurbed Mercs.
However, in a brand new Streetlite, I don't think there's any excuse. Especially when you consider how long LED scrolling messages have been around for.
Like I said, I find the LED displays easier to read than the LCD
I suppose it's the same argument people have about the LED destination display vs the destination blinds. (Although there shouldn't be an argument, LED is far superior)
(29 Jun 2019, 9:00 pm)JP6004
They had the screens for CCTV...this is above the stairs. The TFT NSA was on the windscreen which has now been changed to the LED displays below the CCTV screens. All B9s with NSA have the same duo setup apart from the refurbs. Think GNE are moving away from the TFT, as you can see from all new vehicles from 2015 onwards
Was there always a display above the stairs on Cobalts? I don't recall seeing it there before. But as I said before, I rarely travel travel on them
(29 Jun 2019, 9:22 pm)streetdeckfan
Like I said, I find the LED displays easier to read than the LCD
I suppose it's the same argument people have about the LED destination display vs the destination blinds. (Although there shouldn't be an argument, LED is far superior)
Was there always a display above the stairs on Cobalts? I don't recall seeing it there before. But as I said before, I rarely travel travel on them
Now u mention it, think the Fab56 and CC maybe the exception to this. Sure the last 56 I was on didn't have CCTV screen upstairs.....
(29 Jun 2019, 9:22 pm)streetdeckfan
Like I said, I find the LED displays easier to read than the LCD
I suppose it's the same argument people have about the LED destination display vs the destination blinds. (Although there shouldn't be an argument, LED is far superior)
Was there always a display above the stairs on Cobalts? I don't recall seeing it there before. But as I said before, I rarely travel travel on them
Now u mention it, think the Fab56 and CC maybe the exception to this. Sure the last 56 I was on didn't have CCTV screen upstairs.....
(29 Jun 2019, 9:22 pm)streetdeckfan
Like I said, I find the LED displays easier to read than the LCD
I suppose it's the same argument people have about the LED destination display vs the destination blinds. (Although there shouldn't be an argument, LED is far superior)
Was there always a display above the stairs on Cobalts? I don't recall seeing it there before. But as I said before, I rarely travel travel on them
Not being argumentative or owt, but how are they easier to see?
Is it down to reflection/glare or contrast?
I personally find the scrolling text frustrating, mainly because of the limited space.
If you happen to glance up a moment too late, you've potentially missed a key piece of information.
XC use them on their services and when in a weird or wonderful (but unfamiliar part of the country), it can be annoying to only catch the end of something potentially important.
I think the LED displays hark back to the days of yore.
SJP and the IS were well known for their scoreboards.
https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=326386&page=20
Granted the technology was in its infancy then, but with everything else that's moved on and the technology which is available to us...
(29 Jun 2019, 9:22 pm)streetdeckfan
Like I said, I find the LED displays easier to read than the LCD
I suppose it's the same argument people have about the LED destination display vs the destination blinds. (Although there shouldn't be an argument, LED is far superior)
Was there always a display above the stairs on Cobalts? I don't recall seeing it there before. But as I said before, I rarely travel travel on them
Not being argumentative or owt, but how are they easier to see?
Is it down to reflection/glare or contrast?
I personally find the scrolling text frustrating, mainly because of the limited space.
If you happen to glance up a moment too late, you've potentially missed a key piece of information.
XC use them on their services and when in a weird or wonderful (but unfamiliar part of the country), it can be annoying to only catch the end of something potentially important.
I think the LED displays hark back to the days of yore.
SJP and the IS were well known for their scoreboards.
https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=326386&page=20
Granted the technology was in its infancy then, but with everything else that's moved on and the technology which is available to us...
(29 Jun 2019, 9:40 pm)Andreos1
Not being argumentative or owt, but how are they easier to see?
Is it down to reflection/glare or contrast?
I personally find the scrolling text frustrating, mainly because of the limited space.
If you happen to glance up a moment too late, you've potentially missed a key piece of information.
XC use them on their services and when in a weird or wonderful (but unfamiliar part of the country), it can be annoying to only catch the end of something potentially important.
I think the LED displays hark back to the days of yore.
SJP and the IS were well known for their scoreboards.
https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=326386&page=20
Granted the technology was in its infancy then, but with everything else that's moved on and the technology which is available to us...
I think the TFT screen badly catches the light making it hard to see. Where as the LED display is individual LEDs with a different covering that doesn't really cloud the image behind it
(29 Jun 2019, 9:40 pm)Andreos1
Not being argumentative or owt, but how are they easier to see?
Is it down to reflection/glare or contrast?
I personally find the scrolling text frustrating, mainly because of the limited space.
If you happen to glance up a moment too late, you've potentially missed a key piece of information.
XC use them on their services and when in a weird or wonderful (but unfamiliar part of the country), it can be annoying to only catch the end of something potentially important.
I think the LED displays hark back to the days of yore.
SJP and the IS were well known for their scoreboards.
https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=326386&page=20
Granted the technology was in its infancy then, but with everything else that's moved on and the technology which is available to us...
I think the TFT screen badly catches the light making it hard to see. Where as the LED display is individual LEDs with a different covering that doesn't really cloud the image behind it
The small text on the TFT screens makes it really hard to see as someone who needs glasses to drive but doesn't wear them all the time. I can actually see what the next stop is at the back of a streetlite, never could sitting at the back of a Merc on the 4.
(29 Jun 2019, 9:40 pm)Andreos1
Not being argumentative or owt, but how are they easier to see?
Is it down to reflection/glare or contrast?
I personally find the scrolling text frustrating, mainly because of the limited space.
If you happen to glance up a moment too late, you've potentially missed a key piece of information.
XC use them on their services and when in a weird or wonderful (but unfamiliar part of the country), it can be annoying to only catch the end of something potentially important.
I think the LED displays hark back to the days of yore.
SJP and the IS were well known for their scoreboards.
https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=326386&page=20
Granted the technology was in its infancy then, but with everything else that's moved on and the technology which is available to us...
Both the lack of reflection and contrast. The LCD displays are just far too dim.
I sort of agree with you on the scrolling, but that's because I think they made the text too big, when it switches over to show the current stop and time, I think that's perfectly legible, no need to make it full height
(29 Jun 2019, 9:44 pm)JP6004
I think the TFT screen badly catches the light making it hard to see. Where as the LED display is individual LEDs with a different covering that doesn't really cloud the image behind it
That's exactly why I prefer them, I think if they used a matte screen it wouldn't be so bad, but then the screen would have to be even brighter still!
(29 Jun 2019, 10:01 pm)deanmachine The small text on the TFT screens makes it really hard to see as someone who needs glasses to drive but doesn't wear them all the time. I can actually see what the next stop is at the back of a streetlite, never could sitting at the back of a Merc on the 4.
Exactly, when I have to sit at the back of the X21, it's literally 10 metres to the display and it's still perfectly readable, even with the small font. When I was on the 10, I could barely read the screen from the seat behind the stairs!
(29 Jun 2019, 9:40 pm)Andreos1
Not being argumentative or owt, but how are they easier to see?
Is it down to reflection/glare or contrast?
I personally find the scrolling text frustrating, mainly because of the limited space.
If you happen to glance up a moment too late, you've potentially missed a key piece of information.
XC use them on their services and when in a weird or wonderful (but unfamiliar part of the country), it can be annoying to only catch the end of something potentially important.
I think the LED displays hark back to the days of yore.
SJP and the IS were well known for their scoreboards.
https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=326386&page=20
Granted the technology was in its infancy then, but with everything else that's moved on and the technology which is available to us...
Both the lack of reflection and contrast. The LCD displays are just far too dim.
I sort of agree with you on the scrolling, but that's because I think they made the text too big, when it switches over to show the current stop and time, I think that's perfectly legible, no need to make it full height
(29 Jun 2019, 9:44 pm)JP6004
I think the TFT screen badly catches the light making it hard to see. Where as the LED display is individual LEDs with a different covering that doesn't really cloud the image behind it
That's exactly why I prefer them, I think if they used a matte screen it wouldn't be so bad, but then the screen would have to be even brighter still!
(29 Jun 2019, 10:01 pm)deanmachine The small text on the TFT screens makes it really hard to see as someone who needs glasses to drive but doesn't wear them all the time. I can actually see what the next stop is at the back of a streetlite, never could sitting at the back of a Merc on the 4.
Exactly, when I have to sit at the back of the X21, it's literally 10 metres to the display and it's still perfectly readable, even with the small font. When I was on the 10, I could barely read the screen from the seat behind the stairs!
A few photos from the first two journey's of first day of the Toon Tour prior to going to York this afternoon - https://www.flickr.com/photos/adammalark...9322275947
(30 Jun 2019, 2:16 pm)L469 YVK Got some ideas for when GNE rebrand the following services:
- Prince Bishops > Coast and Castles
- Coaster - Coast and City
- Blaydon Racers - 12/12A renumbered to X11 / X12 and become part of X-Lines brand
(30 Jun 2019, 2:16 pm)L469 YVK Got some ideas for when GNE rebrand the following services:
- Prince Bishops > Coast and Castles
- Coaster - Coast and City
- Blaydon Racers - 12/12A renumbered to X11 / X12 and become part of X-Lines brand
Noted on a facebook group that 3 Volvo B7TL / Plaxton President were seen heading from Hull to the North East yesterday.
No doubt to cover extra work over the summer?
Noted on a facebook group that 3 Volvo B7TL / Plaxton President were seen heading from Hull to the North East yesterday.
No doubt to cover extra work over the summer?
(30 Jun 2019, 3:04 pm)RapidsnapNoted on a facebook group that 3 Volvo B7TL / Plaxton President were seen heading from Hull to the North East yesterday.
No doubt to cover extra work over the summer?
I saw a Hedingham President on the A1 the other day. Unsure if it's related.
(30 Jun 2019, 3:04 pm)RapidsnapNoted on a facebook group that 3 Volvo B7TL / Plaxton President were seen heading from Hull to the North East yesterday.
No doubt to cover extra work over the summer?
I saw a Hedingham President on the A1 the other day. Unsure if it's related.
(30 Jun 2019, 2:27 pm)cbma06 Hopefully most of the brands will just go as corporate colours to bring back GNE identity back ,xline brand is going to go abit overboard and start to become pointless this time next year
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Post-refurb the 56 for example could be called the Citylink 56 as it links 2 cities and is competing against other operators/modes, so maybe its justified in having it's own identity. However I agree with you, routes like the 57 & 58 etc should have their route branding dropped and adopt the new corporate livery, (as long as the trial 'replacement panel look' to the front doesn't return. Haha).
I also think they need to be careful they do not apply the X-Lines express branding to what are essentially slow/stopping services, even if the route happens to include a short section they deem to be 'non-stop'.
Any potential new customers they're trying to temp onboard their buses by selling them their express offer are going to be left disappointed if they find Go North East's expresses actually stop every few minutes and don't get you anywhere fast.
Whilst enthusiasts like seeing different colours and designs splashed all over I do think a transport system should have a smart recognisable identity across the board. I even think one identity, or at least one house colour should be applied across all operators in the area too, (along with one ticketing system -but thats another issue).
It might be boring to enthusiasts but you have to wonder how many non-enthusiasts, i.e the majority, whether they're locals or visitors, actually see the Crusader, Green Arrow, Coaster, X9 or Citylink brands and realise they're all ran by the same company.
If I was visiting or new to Tyne & Wear and had purchased a Go North East pass its not immediately obvious which passing buses I can use unless I scour the entire bus looking for a logo. Even the new Cobalt & Coast livery - could the Go North East logos on the sides not have been put above the doors and drivers cab, rather than towards the back after the advert panels?
Ideally local/stopping buses in the area should have a common uniform. To encourage the use of public transport it needs to be as easy as possible to use. People shouldn't have to worry about what colour the bus is or what route name it's been given, or even who operates it if we're being honest - obviously the latter depending on a cross-operator ticketing system being in place.
(30 Jun 2019, 3:04 pm)RapidsnapNoted on a facebook group that 3 Volvo B7TL / Plaxton President were seen heading from Hull to the North East yesterday.
No doubt to cover extra work over the summer?
(30 Jun 2019, 2:27 pm)cbma06 Hopefully most of the brands will just go as corporate colours to bring back GNE identity back ,xline brand is going to go abit overboard and start to become pointless this time next year
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Post-refurb the 56 for example could be called the Citylink 56 as it links 2 cities and is competing against other operators/modes, so maybe its justified in having it's own identity. However I agree with you, routes like the 57 & 58 etc should have their route branding dropped and adopt the new corporate livery, (as long as the trial 'replacement panel look' to the front doesn't return. Haha).
I also think they need to be careful they do not apply the X-Lines express branding to what are essentially slow/stopping services, even if the route happens to include a short section they deem to be 'non-stop'.
Any potential new customers they're trying to temp onboard their buses by selling them their express offer are going to be left disappointed if they find Go North East's expresses actually stop every few minutes and don't get you anywhere fast.
Whilst enthusiasts like seeing different colours and designs splashed all over I do think a transport system should have a smart recognisable identity across the board. I even think one identity, or at least one house colour should be applied across all operators in the area too, (along with one ticketing system -but thats another issue).
It might be boring to enthusiasts but you have to wonder how many non-enthusiasts, i.e the majority, whether they're locals or visitors, actually see the Crusader, Green Arrow, Coaster, X9 or Citylink brands and realise they're all ran by the same company.
If I was visiting or new to Tyne & Wear and had purchased a Go North East pass its not immediately obvious which passing buses I can use unless I scour the entire bus looking for a logo. Even the new Cobalt & Coast livery - could the Go North East logos on the sides not have been put above the doors and drivers cab, rather than towards the back after the advert panels?
Ideally local/stopping buses in the area should have a common uniform. To encourage the use of public transport it needs to be as easy as possible to use. People shouldn't have to worry about what colour the bus is or what route name it's been given, or even who operates it if we're being honest - obviously the latter depending on a cross-operator ticketing system being in place.
(30 Jun 2019, 3:04 pm)RapidsnapNoted on a facebook group that 3 Volvo B7TL / Plaxton President were seen heading from Hull to the North East yesterday.
No doubt to cover extra work over the summer?
(30 Jun 2019, 3:04 pm)RapidsnapNoted on a facebook group that 3 Volvo B7TL / Plaxton President were seen heading from Hull to the North East yesterday.
No doubt to cover extra work over the summer?
582,584,585 are soon to be on loan in the NE
(30 Jun 2019, 3:04 pm)RapidsnapNoted on a facebook group that 3 Volvo B7TL / Plaxton President were seen heading from Hull to the North East yesterday.
No doubt to cover extra work over the summer?
582,584,585 are soon to be on loan in the NE
