Arriva North East: Latest News & Discussion - July 2019
Arriva North East: Latest News & Discussion - July 2019
(15 Jul 2019, 9:40 am)Rob44 Have to say i wouldn't let a 306/308 go past just so I can get on a newer bus, with table, wifi etc etc. And Im sure 90% of fellow passengers would agree TBH
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(15 Jul 2019, 9:40 am)Rob44 Have to say i wouldn't let a 306/308 go past just so I can get on a newer bus, with table, wifi etc etc. And Im sure 90% of fellow passengers would agree TBH
(20 Jul 2019, 3:52 pm)Adrian </p><p>
</p><p><br></p><p>There's very little brand loyalty from ENCTS pass holders, and I'd imagine, Network One users also. They'll get the first bus that turns up.</p><p><br></p><p>As a commercial ticket holder, if I had a choice, I'd chuck Arriva without a second thought. Even if it meant paying a little more.</p><p>
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(20 Jul 2019, 3:52 pm)Adrian </p><p>
</p><p><br></p><p>There's very little brand loyalty from ENCTS pass holders, and I'd imagine, Network One users also. They'll get the first bus that turns up.</p><p><br></p><p>As a commercial ticket holder, if I had a choice, I'd chuck Arriva without a second thought. Even if it meant paying a little more.</p><p>
you both make good points but you cant tell me most travellers ( with no affiliated ticket ) would say oh its the 308 arriva, its not branded, its not got tables, its not even a MAX spec bus etc so lets let that go by and wait for the 309 with it tables and wifi and leather seats? Maybe as a bus enthusiast you would but not regular punter.
(21 Jul 2019, 7:09 am)Rob44 you both make good points but you cant tell me most travellers ( with no affiliated ticket ) would say oh its the 308 arriva, its not branded, its not got tables, its not even a MAX spec bus etc so lets let that go by and wait for the 309 with it tables and wifi and leather seats? Maybe as a bus enthusiast you would but not regular punter.
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(21 Jul 2019, 7:09 am)Rob44 you both make good points but you cant tell me most travellers ( with no affiliated ticket ) would say oh its the 308 arriva, its not branded, its not got tables, its not even a MAX spec bus etc so lets let that go by and wait for the 309 with it tables and wifi and leather seats? Maybe as a bus enthusiast you would but not regular punter.
(21 Jul 2019, 8:57 pm)Kuyoyo Confirmed Fleet Movements as a result of the service changes this weekend:
Stockton
1915/22 to Reserve
Darlington
2817/9/20 to reserve
Seen the x4 service today but on the screeñ it's destination was shown at redcar instead of Middlesbrough any particular reason
(21 Jul 2019, 8:57 pm)Kuyoyo Confirmed Fleet Movements as a result of the service changes this weekend:
Stockton
1915/22 to Reserve
Darlington
2817/9/20 to reserve
(21 Jul 2019, 7:09 am)Rob44 you both make good points but you cant tell me most travellers ( with no affiliated ticket ) would say oh its the 308 arriva, its not branded, its not got tables, its not even a MAX spec bus etc so lets let that go by and wait for the 309 with it tables and wifi and leather seats? Maybe as a bus enthusiast you would but not regular punter.</p><p><br></p><p>I have to disagree with you there, especially with ENCTS and Network One pass holders, they typically use the service regularly, so I would imagine have experience with both operators. Once you've used both a couple times, you're going to get a preference for one over the other whether you're an enthusiast or not.</p><p><br></p><p>Let's think of it another way, I'm going to assume that you're not a supermarket enthusiast, and I'm going to guess that you have a supermarket that you prefer to go to. </p><p>For example, I have a ALDI just round the corner, but I'll travel further to go to Sainsbury's because I prefer their food, even if it costs a bit more. For some people it's not about convenience, it's about the quality. </p><p><br></p><p></p>
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(21 Jul 2019, 7:09 am)Rob44 you both make good points but you cant tell me most travellers ( with no affiliated ticket ) would say oh its the 308 arriva, its not branded, its not got tables, its not even a MAX spec bus etc so lets let that go by and wait for the 309 with it tables and wifi and leather seats? Maybe as a bus enthusiast you would but not regular punter.</p><p><br></p><p>I have to disagree with you there, especially with ENCTS and Network One pass holders, they typically use the service regularly, so I would imagine have experience with both operators. Once you've used both a couple times, you're going to get a preference for one over the other whether you're an enthusiast or not.</p><p><br></p><p>Let's think of it another way, I'm going to assume that you're not a supermarket enthusiast, and I'm going to guess that you have a supermarket that you prefer to go to. </p><p>For example, I have a ALDI just round the corner, but I'll travel further to go to Sainsbury's because I prefer their food, even if it costs a bit more. For some people it's not about convenience, it's about the quality. </p><p><br></p><p></p>
(21 Jul 2019, 9:24 pm)Ryland Seen the x4 service today but on the screeñ it's destination was shown at redcar instead of Middlesbrough any particular reason
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</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Couldn't the solos transfer to redcar as extra then that can relief 1759 and 4316 to be withdrawn</p>
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(21 Jul 2019, 9:24 pm)Ryland Seen the x4 service today but on the screeñ it's destination was shown at redcar instead of Middlesbrough any particular reason
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</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Couldn't the solos transfer to redcar as extra then that can relief 1759 and 4316 to be withdrawn</p>
(21 Jul 2019, 9:29 pm)streetdeckfan I have to disagree with you there, especially with ENCTS and Network One pass holders, they typically use the service regularly, so I would imagine have experience with both operators. Once you've used both a couple times, you're going to get a preference for one over the other whether you're an enthusiast or not. Let's think of it another way, & I'm going to assume that you're not a supermarket enthusiast, and I'm going to guess that you have a supermarket that you prefer to go to. For example, I have a ALDI & just round the corner, but I'll travel further to go to Sainsbury's because I prefer their food, even if it costs a bit more. For some people it's not about convenience, it's about the quality.
(21 Jul 2019, 9:24 pm)Ryland Seen the x4 service today but on the screeñ it's destination was shown at redcar instead of Middlesbrough any particular reason
(21 Jul 2019, 9:29 pm)streetdeckfan I have to disagree with you there, especially with ENCTS and Network One pass holders, they typically use the service regularly, so I would imagine have experience with both operators. Once you've used both a couple times, you're going to get a preference for one over the other whether you're an enthusiast or not. Let's think of it another way, & I'm going to assume that you're not a supermarket enthusiast, and I'm going to guess that you have a supermarket that you prefer to go to. For example, I have a ALDI & just round the corner, but I'll travel further to go to Sainsbury's because I prefer their food, even if it costs a bit more. For some people it's not about convenience, it's about the quality.
(21 Jul 2019, 9:24 pm)Ryland Seen the x4 service today but on the screeñ it's destination was shown at redcar instead of Middlesbrough any particular reason
(21 Jul 2019, 9:58 pm)Jimmi It's a bit of both really I feel, some will have a certain preference to one service or another be it journey time, cost, comfort and whatever else but some will accept others at points, I often see concession pass holders in places simply jump on whichever bus turns up first, I use the 7 which stops in the same part of Durham Bus Station as the 6 & X21 and I regularly see some just get the first bus leaving towards Bishop Auckland, some but not all and same with the Network One passes in Tyne & Wear, I see some get on the X12 in Birtley towards Newcastle at times when it gets to the bus stop before the 21, everyone's way of doing things is different, for example your point in shopping if I just want something like a chocolate bar I will often go to wherever is the nearest to where I am although sometimes does come down to cost as well.
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(21 Jul 2019, 9:58 pm)Jimmi It's a bit of both really I feel, some will have a certain preference to one service or another be it journey time, cost, comfort and whatever else but some will accept others at points, I often see concession pass holders in places simply jump on whichever bus turns up first, I use the 7 which stops in the same part of Durham Bus Station as the 6 & X21 and I regularly see some just get the first bus leaving towards Bishop Auckland, some but not all and same with the Network One passes in Tyne & Wear, I see some get on the X12 in Birtley towards Newcastle at times when it gets to the bus stop before the 21, everyone's way of doing things is different, for example your point in shopping if I just want something like a chocolate bar I will often go to wherever is the nearest to where I am although sometimes does come down to cost as well.
(20 Jul 2019, 10:04 pm)streetdeckfan </p><p>
</p><p><br></p><p>Even if I didn't have my GNE pass, I would happily pay the extra to not travel Arriva! </p><p>During CTBW I thought I'd pay the £1 and only use Arriva for the day. Fair to say, by the time the time I got to Spennymoor on the 6, I was regretting the decision as the X21 was directly in front, with it's leather seats, tables and sockets. Once I got to Newcastle (via the X12, which was also a mistake), I decided to try the 'new' e400s they have on the X21, and if I'm being honest, Arriva's 'high spec' Sapphire buses are just on par with GNE's standard spec, except with an order of magnitude more rattles!</p><p>On the way back home, I didn't fancy subjecting myself to the X12 again, so took the X21 and relaxed in comfort.</p><p><br></p><p>I don't have any statistics to back up, but I regularly see a lot more passengers get on the X21 over the 6 at Durham, so I think regular passengers do appreciate the nicer buses.</p><p>In fact, my mother (who knows less than nothing about buses) got the GNE X46 to Crook over the Arriva X46 because it "looked nicer". She didn't even know they were ran by two different companies. </p><p><br></p><p>So basically what I'm saying is, in a situation where the average person wants to get the bus, and they're not tied to any particular operator (ENCTS, Network One, one off user etc.), and the buses go to the same place, I'd be willing to bet that the majority would pick a bus the nicer bus. Network One and ENCTS, in particular as they would be more likely to try both operators</p><p>
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(20 Jul 2019, 10:04 pm)streetdeckfan </p><p>
</p><p><br></p><p>Even if I didn't have my GNE pass, I would happily pay the extra to not travel Arriva! </p><p>During CTBW I thought I'd pay the £1 and only use Arriva for the day. Fair to say, by the time the time I got to Spennymoor on the 6, I was regretting the decision as the X21 was directly in front, with it's leather seats, tables and sockets. Once I got to Newcastle (via the X12, which was also a mistake), I decided to try the 'new' e400s they have on the X21, and if I'm being honest, Arriva's 'high spec' Sapphire buses are just on par with GNE's standard spec, except with an order of magnitude more rattles!</p><p>On the way back home, I didn't fancy subjecting myself to the X12 again, so took the X21 and relaxed in comfort.</p><p><br></p><p>I don't have any statistics to back up, but I regularly see a lot more passengers get on the X21 over the 6 at Durham, so I think regular passengers do appreciate the nicer buses.</p><p>In fact, my mother (who knows less than nothing about buses) got the GNE X46 to Crook over the Arriva X46 because it "looked nicer". She didn't even know they were ran by two different companies. </p><p><br></p><p>So basically what I'm saying is, in a situation where the average person wants to get the bus, and they're not tied to any particular operator (ENCTS, Network One, one off user etc.), and the buses go to the same place, I'd be willing to bet that the majority would pick a bus the nicer bus. Network One and ENCTS, in particular as they would be more likely to try both operators</p><p>
(21 Jul 2019, 9:24 pm)Ryland Seen the x4 service today but on the screeñ it's destination was shown at redcar instead of Middlesbrough any particular reason
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</p><p><br></p><p>Probably not enough capacity </p><p>Couldn't the solos transfer to redcar as extra then that can relief 1759 and 4316 to be withdrawn</p>
(21 Jul 2019, 9:24 pm)Ryland Seen the x4 service today but on the screeñ it's destination was shown at redcar instead of Middlesbrough any particular reason
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</p><p><br></p><p>Probably not enough capacity </p><p>Couldn't the solos transfer to redcar as extra then that can relief 1759 and 4316 to be withdrawn</p>
(25 Jul 2019, 10:53 pm)Multi21 Is it just me or has this just become an Arriva bashing? Anyone got anything good to say about Arriva for a change?
Also in answer the question. It's highly likely 1417 will be back in new livery. Estimated time for its return is very soon... Watch this space!
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(25 Jul 2019, 10:53 pm)Multi21 Is it just me or has this just become an Arriva bashing? Anyone got anything good to say about Arriva for a change?
Also in answer the question. It's highly likely 1417 will be back in new livery. Estimated time for its return is very soon... Watch this space!
(25 Jul 2019, 10:53 pm)Multi21 Is it just me or has this just become an Arriva bashing? Anyone got anything good to say about Arriva for a change?
Also in answer the question. It's highly likely 1417 will be back in new livery. Estimated time for its return is very soon... Watch this space!
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(25 Jul 2019, 10:53 pm)Multi21 Is it just me or has this just become an Arriva bashing? Anyone got anything good to say about Arriva for a change?
Also in answer the question. It's highly likely 1417 will be back in new livery. Estimated time for its return is very soon... Watch this space!
If Arriva invested more in areas that have a high proportion of bus user's, it would make their service more attractive, and more sustainable...
Blyth still operate MPDs which have never had a repaint, and still run around Northumberland in the outdated 1998 livery...
Ashington have Solos which are many years behind a repaint, yet Arriva only take 'certain' services into consideration of upgrades.
I hope when Arriva is sold, the new operators take all vehicles, and all services into consideration of a standard approach which ensures each service recives similar investment, although I would exclude this from their premium brands.
(26 Jul 2019, 5:06 pm)S830OFT If Arriva invested more in areas that have a high proportion of bus user's, it would make their service more attractive, and more sustainable...
Blyth still operate MPDs which have never had a repaint, and still run around Northumberland in the outdated 1998 livery...
Ashington have Solos which are many years behind a repaint, yet Arriva only take 'certain' services into consideration of upgrades.
I hope when Arriva is sold, the new operators take all vehicles, and all services into consideration of a standard approach which ensures each service recives similar investment, although I would exclude this from their premium brands.
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(26 Jul 2019, 5:06 pm)S830OFT If Arriva invested more in areas that have a high proportion of bus user's, it would make their service more attractive, and more sustainable...
Blyth still operate MPDs which have never had a repaint, and still run around Northumberland in the outdated 1998 livery...
Ashington have Solos which are many years behind a repaint, yet Arriva only take 'certain' services into consideration of upgrades.
I hope when Arriva is sold, the new operators take all vehicles, and all services into consideration of a standard approach which ensures each service recives similar investment, although I would exclude this from their premium brands.
(26 Jul 2019, 5:06 pm)S830OFT If Arriva invested more in areas that have a high proportion of bus user's, it would make their service more attractive, and more sustainable...
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(26 Jul 2019, 5:06 pm)S830OFT If Arriva invested more in areas that have a high proportion of bus user's, it would make their service more attractive, and more sustainable...