Politics (and other political stuff)
RE: Politics (and other political stuff)
(30 Apr 2020, 8:23 pm)cbma06 Wrote: If it wasn’t  for the brexit party at the election, labour would of lost more seats and areas.

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Agreed, but the same could be said about the strategic placement of Brexit candidates. Going back on the original decision to stand in all constituencies.
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RE: Politics (and other political stuff)
(30 Apr 2020, 8:04 pm)Adrian Wrote: It wasn't because they liked Boris - it was an election won and lost on Brexit, with unfortunately many of what we'd consider 'core' Labour voters, feeling let down and disenfranchised with the Party's position on Brexit. It was an awful position; cobbled together to try and suit as many different groupings as possible, rather than having a simple (and democratic) policy. The leader not firmly committing one way or the other wasn't helpful either.

It is nonsense that Corbyn went 'all in' on the student vote. That couldn't be further from the truth. There was more in the manifesto for working people and workers rights, which IMO, were some of the best policies we had. A problem was that the policy messages were too complex and too long term, rather than focusing on a couple of key measures in each policy grouping. Whether we like it or not, Boris won with one simple message - "Get Brexit done" - you couldn't get away from that.

It may be that you saw less Labour signs than previously, but having seen the data, it would be factually incorrect to suggest there was in County Durham.

I don't think the majority were 'embarrassed' to vote Labour because of the leader and this can be seen from the number of votes cast, but the reasons above apply as to why this didn't turn into success. I also don't think we'll see much of a shift under Keir Starmer, even once he turns up to work (where is he?)

Oh and its funny that the "magic money tree" has been found as of late. Smile

There's no doubt Brexit definitely played it's part, but I think the reason why they won by such a huge majority is down to Corbyn. People just didn't trust him to run a country.

For me, the issue with Labour's manifesto was that it just seemed like there were too many promises. It didn't matter if it was affordable, it /looked/ far fetched. Like you say, if they had focused on a couple key measures it would have been a lot more palatable.

RE: Politics (and other political stuff)
(30 Apr 2020, 10:42 pm)streetdeckfan Wrote: For me, the issue with Labour's manifesto was that it just seemed like there were too many promises. It didn't matter if it was affordable, it /looked/ far fetched. Like you say, if they had focused on a couple key measures it would have been a lot more palatable.

I can only speak from my County, but although Corbyn was one of the top 5 negatives brought up during canvassing, more than double that quoted Brexit/our Brexit stance.

The leadership issue is complicated, and as we now know, was setup to fail. See: https://labourlist.org/2020/04/internal-...by-labour/
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RE: Politics (and other political stuff)
(30 Apr 2020, 11:26 pm)Adrian Wrote: I can only speak from my County, but although Corbyn was one of the top 5 negatives brought up during canvassing, more than double that quoted Brexit/our Brexit stance.

The leadership issue is complicated, and as we now know, was setup to fail. See: https://labourlist.org/2020/04/internal-...by-labour/

I suppose, either way you look at it there was no conceivable way that Labour could have won the last election. Having said that, I stayed up to watch the results come in and I was genuinely surprised by the amount of seats that the Conservatives took.

I was expecting them to take Bishop Auckland as it was already fairly close, but the likes of NW Durham and Blyth Valley I never would have thought.

Having lived in a Labour area all my life, it always felt pointless voting as it was pretty much guarantee that Labour would win, but the last election has shown that they can't take anything for granted anymore. All that remains to be seen is whether those areas that have turned blue for the first time stay that way, or whether people will go back to Labour now that Brexit has been done

RE: Politics (and other political stuff)
The Liberal Democrats had been due to announce their new leader in July, but then postponed the leadership contest to next year. They have now reconsidered and decided to hold the contest this summer after all. The result is due shortly after August 26th.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52736616

According to the LibDems' website, the idea is to have the new leader in place before the (virtual) party conference in September.

Most likely to stand are Ed Davey, Layla Moran, Wera Hobhouse and potentially Daisy Cooper.