(22 Dec 2019, 9:30 pm)streetdeckfan wrote What would the B5s be like on the X84/X85 route? Seems a bit tight to me

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The B9’s have been on before but I’m not sure on how a B5 would do turning round Newbrough.
Anyway it’s rumoured that next year that them B5’s are going on there from the X9/X10

(22 Dec 2019, 10:20 pm)michaelb wrote The B9’s have been on before but I’m not sure on how a B5 would do turning round Newbrough.
Anyway it’s rumoured that next year that them B5’s are going on there from the X9/X10

Deckers have better turning than Citaros, as long as they can fit under the bridges they'll be fine, not as long and not as wide. It's the A69 that would be the problem if they can't deal with the A19.

(22 Dec 2019, 10:28 pm)deanmachine wrote Deckers have better turning than Citaros, as long as they can fit under the bridges they'll be fine, not as long and not as wide. It's the A69 that would be the problem if they can't deal with the A19.

Think B5 about same height as B9 so should be fine

(22 Dec 2019, 9:00 pm)michaelb wrote 12x E200’s for 4 (1 spare)
17x Streetdeck for 10/10A/10B
8x Plaxton Panther coaches for X9/X10
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Following cascades
5238-5242 & 5252-5253 to join Learner Driver team replacing current Scanias
5245-5247, 5249-5251 & 5262-5274 withdrawn.
5298-5306 to Riverside branded for Quaylink Q3
5307-5320 branded for Quaylink Q1/Q2/Q3.
5321 branded as Quaylink Pride
5322 & 5323 to Hexham. 5322 will be branded for Tynedale Links.
5356-5363 to Riverside refurbished for service 58.
5364-5367 to Riverside refurbished into toon link for service 6.
5368 & 5486 to Riverside and refurbished into Corp liverey.
5377-5379 to Washington as spare
5380-5388 & 8333-8336 into Coporate Liverey
6308-6314 to Hexham for X84/X85. 6313 & 6314 will be red and blue
6043-6048 & 6071-6082 refurbished for Riverside on the 26/27.
6083 & 6084 to transfer to Deptford. 6084 will be branded 56.
6098 & 6099 to transfer to Percy Main for Coaster service 1.
8307-8317 to Deptford in corporate liverey.
8318 & 8320-8332 to Chester-le-Street as spare.
8337 & 8338 to Percy Main as spare

58 getting electric buses in 2020. Possible new vehicles for crusader in 2021. Cant see any of the citaros being rebranded (apart from 63 plates) as they will no doubt start to be withdrawn in next few years.

Also doubt 10s will get refurbed and more likely go end up replacing older DD like the 11 plates.

E200 probably more likely for 12 and 57 to help meet CAZ in 2021. Possibly even Quaylinks

(22 Dec 2019, 10:38 pm)JP6004 wrote 58 getting electric buses in 2020. Possible new vehicles for crusader in 2021. Cant see any of the citaros being rebranded (apart from 63 plates) as they will no doubt start to be withdrawn in next few years.

Also doubt 10s will get refurbed and more likely go end up replacing older DD like the 11 plates.

E200 probably more likely for 12 and 57 to help meet CAZ in 2021. Possibly even Quaylinks

Deckers for the Crusader?

Some reason, i don't think they'll refurb anymore B9's, although i could be wrong!


With the 6 and 12/12A interworking from January 26th, its possible they might get new buses, but hoping Blaydon Racers brand is dropped so its just GNE.


I do hope we see new buses on the Quaylink, although, 23 is a high number for just 1 brand, maybe in the next few years, phasing them in so Q1/Q2 first, then the Q3?



I was hoping we would see new buses on the 56, but its not happening, as its confirmed for repaint and a new brand "Newcastle Sunderland Citylink", probables looking at the start of January for those repaints to begin.

Do hope its black and red...

(27 Dec 2019, 11:56 am)Michael wrote With the 12 and 57 interworking from January 26th, its possible they might get new buses, but hoping both brands are dropped and its just GNE, any repaints of these buses will result in either brand (Citylink or Blaydon Racers), will mean, they'll stick to Citaro's for the foreseeable future (to confirm, if all the Blaydon Racers get repainted to Citylink, it probables confirms they won't get new buses) 

Sure it's been hinted the 12/12A will be interworking with the 6 from January, not the 57 - seeing how the 57 will be terminating on Market Street outside the old Police Station (as per the 26/27 and 56) rather than Eldon Square.

(27 Dec 2019, 12:01 pm)Kuyoyo wrote Sure it's been hinted the 12/12A will be interworking with the 6 from January, not the 57 - seeing how the 57 will be terminating on Market Street outside the old Police Station (as per the 26/27 and 56) rather than Eldon Square.

Ah yes!, not sure why i put the 57... :p

Edited my post :p

5x E200's for service 57
9x E200's for service 6/12/12A
16x Streetdeck for service 10/10A/10B
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Following cascades
3943 to Consett as spare
5275-5283 to be repainted for service Q3
5239-5240, 5242-5243, 5245-5247, 5260-5261 & 5271-5274 withdrawn
5253-5259 to go to Driver Training fleet replacing the Scanias.
5285-5286, 5288, 5292, 5335-5338, 5481-5485, 6045-6047 & 6073-6074 to Washington as spare
5387 & 5388 to Percy Main as spare
5293-5294, 5419-5420, 5440 & 8294-8298 & 8300-8302 & 8304-8305 to Deptford as spare.
5295-5296 & 6081 to Hexham as spare (5293 for Tynedale Links)
5297 to remain at Riverside in corporate liverey.
5298-5303, 6905-6909 to Riverside into corporate liverey.
5304 to Riverside and repainted into Crusader liverey.
5385 & 8310-8315 repainted into corporate liverey.
6048 to Washington for Red Arrows service X1.
6071 & 6072 to Percy Main for Coaster service 1/1A
6075-6079 to remain at Hexham for service X84/X85
6080 to remain at Hexham in corporate liverey.
6082 & 6083 to Consett in corp liverey.
6935-6940 withdrawn.
8320-8325 to Chester-le-Street as spare

(29 Dec 2019, 12:27 pm)michaelb wrote 5x E200's for service 57
9x E200's for service 6/12/12A
16x Streetdeck for service 10/10A/10B
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Following cascades

6048 to Washington for Red Arrows service X1.

X1 getting new buses from May 2020, so will have new spares.


Honestly, not even sure where the B9's from Red Arrows would go? some for the 13/14/25?, rest in a spare role, replacing the Omnidekka's which in place, will replace the tridents/Vykings.


B5's from X9/X10 could head to the X84/X85 within the next year too.

(29 Dec 2019, 12:57 pm)Michael wrote X1 getting new buses from May 2020, so will have new spares.


Honestly, not even sure where the B9's from Red Arrows would go? some for the 13/14/25?, rest in a spare role, replacing the Omnidekka's which in place, will replace the tridents/Vykings.


B5's from X9/X10 could head to the X84/X85 within the next year too.

(My new year wish ) Red arrow B9’s should go on the 20, and have the 20 run every 15 minutes between Durham and Sunderland only, and the PB streetlites should go on the 60 and extend service 60 from Sunderland to South Shields


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(29 Dec 2019, 1:06 pm)cbma06 wrote (My new year wish ) Red arrow B9’s should go on the 20, and have the 20 run every 15 minutes between Durham and Sunderland only, and the PB streetlites should go on the 60 and extend service 60 from Sunderland to South Shields


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You'd be surprised how many people from South Shields continue on up Durham Road, especially at peak times. Also not sure they'd replace 16 plate Streetlites with 11 plate deckers with cloth seats and unhealthy engines.

(29 Dec 2019, 1:11 pm)deanmachine wrote You'd be surprised how many people from South Shields continue on up Durham Road, especially at peak times. Also not sure they'd replace 16 plate Streetlites with 11 plate deckers with cloth seats and unhealthy engines.

The 14 Volvo B9s on the X1 are also receiving Euro 6 SCRTs, so will definitely be found on services in and around Gateshead and Newcastle (sorry cbma06!)


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(29 Dec 2019, 1:19 pm)Dan wrote The 14 Volvo B9s on the X1 are also receiving Euro 6 SCRTs, so will definitely be found on services in and around Gateshead and Newcastle (sorry cbma06!)


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I would imagine they'll be split between a fair amount of services?

(29 Dec 2019, 1:19 pm)Dan wrote The 14 Volvo B9s on the X1 are also receiving Euro 6 SCRTs, so will definitely be found on services in and around Gateshead and Newcastle (sorry cbma06!)


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Cheers for the info, so the B9’s might be for the 93/94?


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(29 Dec 2019, 2:04 pm)cbma06 wrote Cheers for the info, so the B9’s might be for the 93/94?


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Think the current toon link B9s at Consett have been upgraded to Euro 6 (correct me if I’m wrong), these were originally destined for the 93/94. Don’t think the remaining scanias will be held until mays X1 upgrade.

(29 Dec 2019, 2:30 pm)Stanleyone wrote Think the current toon link B9s at Consett have been upgraded to Euro 6 (correct me if I’m wrong), these were originally destined for the 93/94. Don’t think the remaining scanias will be held until mays X1 upgrade.

The revised allocation for the 93/94 from the end of January will be 7x Euro 4 Versa - some of these are already being allocated since the withdrawal of 5220 and 5225.

(29 Dec 2019, 12:57 pm)Michael wrote X1 getting new buses from May 2020, so will have new spares.


Honestly, not even sure where the B9's from Red Arrows would go? some for the 13/14/25?, rest in a spare role, replacing the Omnidekka's which in place, will replace the tridents/Vykings.


B5's from X9/X10 could head to the X84/X85 within the next year too.

Yes MG has stated B5s will be cascaded to X84/X85. Wouldn't be surprised if 10 received new Streetdecks to keep fleets standardised with B9s possibly upgrading another single deck route/ replacing older DD

(29 Dec 2019, 2:53 pm)JP6004 wrote Yes MG has stated B5s will be cascaded to X84/X85. Wouldn't be surprised if 10 received new Streetdecks to keep fleets standardised with B9s possibly upgrading another single deck route/ replacing older DD

I'd guess the 10s are more likely to be refurbed than being replaced. They're 2013 (just) so with a euro 6 upgrade they'd be allowed into Newcastle. 

I think if they put StreetDecks on the 10, they would have to be the 6 cylinder (I assume GNE still has an order in for one of them?).

(29 Dec 2019, 3:08 pm)streetdeckfan wrote I'd guess the 10s are more likely to be refurbed than being replaced. They're 2013 (just) so with a euro 6 upgrade they'd be allowed into Newcastle. 

I think if they put StreetDecks on the 10, they would have to be the 6 cylinder (I assume GNE still has an order in for one of them?).

Well they can be placed on any service going into newcastle, so possibly some chester services, upgrading crusader, cascading to the 1 allowing hybrids to go on 50 etc

(29 Dec 2019, 2:31 pm)Dan wrote The revised allocation for the 93/94 from the end of January will be 7x Euro 4 Versa - some of these are already being allocated since the withdrawal of 5220 and 5225.

No sign of the order from wrightbus any time soon in that case.

(29 Dec 2019, 4:34 pm)Stanleyone wrote No sign of the order from wrightbus any time soon in that case.

MG on Twitter said it'll hopefully happen in March, although I'm not sure whether he meant the new StreetDecks will be here in March, or the deckers will be refreshed by March

https://twitter.com/MartijnGNE/status/12...9017781253

(29 Dec 2019, 4:42 pm)streetdeckfan wrote MG on Twitter said it'll hopefully happen in March, although I'm not sure whether he meant the new StreetDecks will be here in March, or the deckers will be refreshed by March

https://twitter.com/MartijnGNE/status/12...9017781253

Shame, least we could have a date now, doesn't help with the cascades they wanted to do, least we might have the Deptford Scania's in service until at least April time.

(22 Dec 2019, 10:38 pm)JP6004 wrote 58 getting electric buses in 2020. Possible new vehicles for crusader in 2021. Cant see any of the citaros being rebranded (apart from 63 plates) as they will no doubt start to be withdrawn in next few years.

Also doubt 10s will get refurbed and more likely go end up replacing older DD like the 11 plates.

E200 probably more likely for 12 and 57 to help meet CAZ in 2021. Possibly even Quaylinks

Interesting that it is route 58 to gain electric buses.  I thought it would be the Quaylink routes.  I understand the Yutongs are due in July.

Judging by the recent mainly double-deck deliveries, with just the E200-MMCs for route 97 being an exception, it seems that some routes may have been double-decked to enable the Scania - Solars to be withdrawn.

(04 Jan 2020, 9:08 pm)Metroline1511 wrote Interesting that it is route 58 to gain electric buses.  I thought it would be the Quaylink routes.  I understand the Yutongs are due in July.

Judging by the recent mainly double-deck deliveries, with just the E200-MMCs for route 97 being an exception, it seems that some routes may have been double-decked to enable the Scania - Solars to be withdrawn.

Just the 93/94 is being upgraded to DD, also down to frequency reduced to every 20mins.

Think there been numerous comments made over the years that the 45,46,47 needs to be fully upgraded to DD, which will in turn lead to L94 withdrawals

(05 Jan 2020, 1:08 am)JP6004 wrote Just the 93/94 is being upgraded to DD, also down to frequency reduced to every 20mins.

Think there been numerous comments made over the years that the 45,46,47 needs to be fully upgraded to DD, which will in turn lead to L94 withdrawals

The issue is that most services need to be double deckers during peak time, but for the rest of the day they could probably get away with a Solo.
The X21 for instance, during peak times the StreetDecks are crammed, but the rest of the day they're not even half full. (I'm on the X21 now and so far, I think the passenger count has averaged 10)

But then you have the question is it worth it to fully upgrade to deckers and carry around the extra weight the rest of the day, or to have a few deckers that are on the peak runs with single deckers making up the rest of the PVR, like what Arriva do with the 6.

Don't get me wrong, I love nothing more than having the entire upper deck to myself on a night, but how much extra fuel is that using (as well as the additional up front cost)?

(05 Jan 2020, 1:08 am)JP6004 wrote Just the 93/94 is being upgraded to DD, also down to frequency reduced to every 20mins.

Think there been numerous comments made over the years that the 45,46,47 needs to be fully upgraded to DD, which will in turn lead to L94 withdrawals

They'll be upgraded once the Streetdecks arrive, that was confirmed ages ago. (March is the rumoured month they'll start arriving)

Streetlites from the Red kite apparently going to Deptford for the 35.

(05 Jan 2020, 1:34 pm)Michael wrote They'll be upgraded once the Streetdecks arrive, that was confirmed ages ago. (March is the rumoured month they'll start arriving)

Streetlites from the Red kite apparently going to Deptford for the 35.

Yes I know they be upgraded once streetdecks arrive. My point was it has been said previously; before the order was placed, that the red kite services need to be upgraded to full DD. So my comment to which I was replying, stated the single deck routes being upgraded to DD to allow for L94 withdrawals

(05 Jan 2020, 7:14 pm)JP6004 wrote Yes I know they be upgraded once streetdecks arrive. My point was it has been said previously; before the order was placed, that the red kite services need to be upgraded to full DD. So my comment to which I was replying, stated the single deck routes being upgraded to DD to allow for L94 withdrawals

Ah right

(05 Jan 2020, 7:14 pm)JP6004 wrote Yes I know they be upgraded once streetdecks arrive. My point was it has been said previously; before the order was placed, that the red kite services need to be upgraded to full DD. So my comment to which I was replying, stated the single deck routes being upgraded to DD to allow for L94 withdrawals

I would maybe suggest that there’s no business case to buy new single deck buses 35/93/94 or double deck buses for 13/14/25/X22, whereas the X45/X46/X47 and associated inter working patterns can deliver the business case of ordering new buses.

(05 Jan 2020, 8:22 pm)Stanleyone wrote I would maybe suggest that there’s no business case to buy new single deck buses 35/93/94 or double deck buses for 13/14/25/X22, whereas the X45/X46/X47 and associated inter working patterns can deliver the business case of ordering new buses.

Yes I agree, just a natural cascade that will still allow upgrade of services at least expense.to be fair I dont believe 35 warrants full size streetlites, I think the short versas or solos would to the majority of the time