(18 Sep 2015, 5:58 pm)Michael wrote I did but nothing was on it?

Same here.

(18 Sep 2015, 5:58 pm)Michael wrote I did but nothing was post on it for upcoming changes?

(18 Sep 2015, 5:59 pm)S813 FVK wrote Same here.

I suggest you check again now 

EDIT: I would post what I've seen but no way to copy and paste off an iPad  

(18 Sep 2015, 5:59 pm)S813 FVK wrote Same here.

Can't see any service registrations for yesterday (or today) for any operator.

I had better things to do than go through the whole of VOSA yesterday.

If there's a backlog, sometimes details are added/updated 'after-hours' (for lack of a better phrase).

(18 Sep 2015, 6:08 pm)Kuyoyo wrote I suggest you check again now 

EDIT: I would post what I've seen but no way to copy and paste off an iPad  

Na, i cba i have better things to do than check VOSA 50 times a day.

There have been problems with the VOSA website for the past few days; whilst there have been registrations posted on the website by VOSA, it's only showing them periodically (it's showing no registrations having been posted at all more regularly). I've had a look, and it's not playing ball again tonight.

By what I can recall, registrations were made for service 6 (Newcastle - Stanley), services 12/12A (Newcastle - Winlaton) and 30 (Stanley - Lanchester), as well as several amendments.

There was literally two seconds ago but the seem to have been taken off.

From what I rememeber, it was:

6 - Newcastle-Stanley
V7 - East Stanley-Metrocentre
12 - Newcastle-Winlaton
30 - Stanley-Lanchester
95 - Newcastle-Metrocentre
X30 - Newcastle-Stanley

(18 Sep 2015, 6:11 pm)Dan wrote There have been problems with the VOSA website for the past few days; whilst there have been registrations posted on the website by VOSA, it's only showing them periodically (it's showing no registrations having been posted at all more regularly). I've had a look, and it's not playing ball again tonight.

By what I can recall, registrations were made for service 6 (Newcastle - Stanley), services 12/12A (Newcastle - Winlaton) and 30 (Stanley - Lanchester), as well as several amendments.

Ah right, 

I do apologise if i sounded like a dick towards anyone...

That 95 registration should help Michael's speculation

The V7/V8 should help with the speculation over what will happen to services 131, 706 and 707 (and also service X43).

Here we go:

Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Durham Bus Station
Finish Point: Birtley, Durham Road/Coach & Horses
Via:
Service Number: 21
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 12-NOV-2015
Other Details: Thursday 12 November to Sunday 15th November 2015 only

PB0003954/648 - GO NORTH EAST LIMITED, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Stanley Bus Station
Finish Point: Newcastle, Eldon Square Bus Station
Via:
Service Number: 6
Service Type: Normal Stopping/Limited Stop
Effective Date: 25-OCT-2015
Other Details: Monday to Saturday (Except public holidays) Sunday(and public holidays)

Other Details: Monday to Saturday (except public holidays) Sunday (and public holidays)
PB0003954/649 - GO NORTH EAST LIMITED, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Newcastle, Eldon Square Bus Station
Finish Point: Winlaton Bus Station
Via:
Service Number: 12
Service Type: Normal Stopping/Limited Stop
Effective Date: 25-OCT-2015
Other Details: Monday to Saturday (Except public holidays) Sunday(and public holidays)

PB0003954/650 - GO NORTH EAST LIMITED, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Stanley Bus Station
Finish Point: Lanchester Village Green
Via:
Service Number: 30
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 25-OCT-2015
Other Details: Monday to Saturday (except public holidays )

PB0003954/651 - GO NORTH EAST LIMITED, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Castleside, Church Street
Finish Point: Consett Academy
Via:
Service Number: 808
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 25-OCT-2015
Other Details: Monday to Friday (school days only)

PB0003954/652 - GO NORTH EAST LIMITED, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Newcastle, Market Street/Eldon Square Bus Station
Finish Point: Metrocentre Interchange
Via:
Service Number: 95
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 25-OCT-2015
Other Details: Monday to Saturday (except public holidays) Sunday (including public holidays)

PB0003954/653 - GO NORTH EAST LIMITED, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Burnopfield, Lintz Estate
Finish Point: Durham Bus Station
Via:
Service Number: 816
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 25-OCT-2015
Other Details: Monday to Friday School days only

PB0003954/654 - GO NORTH EAST LIMITED, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: East Stanley, Sheridan Drive /Annfield Plain, Fines Park
Finish Point: Metrocentre Interchange
Via:
Service Number: V7
Service Type: Normal Stopping/Limited Stop/Hail & Ride
Effective Date: 25-OCT-2015
Other Details: Monday to Saturday (except public holidays) Sunday (and public holidays)
PB0003954/655 - GO NORTH EAST LIMITED, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA

Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Stanley Bus Station
Finish Point: Newcastle, Eldon Square Bus Station
Via:
Service Number: X30
Service Type: Normal Stopping/Limited Stop
Effective Date: 25-OCT-2015
Other Details: Monday to Saturday (except public holidays) Sunday (and public holidays)

(18 Sep 2015, 6:17 pm)MurdnunoC wrote The V7/V8 should help with the speculation over what will happen to services 131, 706 and 707 (and also service X43).

Sure does. Michael, the services look like they aren't being merged together Would have to not include the 130 in that idea too since it would need to double back on itself.

And I missed these off:

PB0003954/365 - GO NORTH EAST LIMITED, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Variation Accepted: Operating between Consett Bus Station and Durham Bus Station given service number 15/15a, 815, 822 effective from 25-Oct-2015. To amend Timetable.
PB0003954/367 - GO NORTH EAST LIMITED, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA

Variation Accepted: Operating between Consett Bus Station and Newcastle Eldon Sqaure given service number 45/46, 46a effective from 25-Oct-2015. To amend Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
B0003954/373 - GO NORTH EAST LIMITED, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA

Variation Accepted: Operating between Consett Bus Station and Consett Bus Station given service number V1/V2 effective from 25-Oct-2015. To amend Timetable.
PB0003954/386 - GO NORTH EAST LIMITED, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA

Variation Accepted: Operating between Consett Bus Station and Sunderland Park Lane Interchange given service number 78/78A/X78 effective from 25-Oct-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0003954/387 - GO NORTH EAST LIMITED, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA

Variation Accepted: Operating between Stanley Bus Station and Stanley Bus Statuion given service number 704 effective from 25-Oct-2015. To amend Timetable.
PB0003954/559 - GO NORTH EAST LIMITED, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA

Variation Accepted: Operating between Hexham Bus Station and Newcastle, Eldon Square Bus Station given service number 10/10A/10B/11A effective from 25-Oct-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0003954/560 - GO NORTH EAST LIMITED, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA

Variation Accepted: Operating between Blackhall Mill, River View and Newcastle given service number 11 effective from 25-Oct-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0003954/601 - GO NORTH EAST LIMITED, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA

Variation Accepted: Operating between FLINT HILL, ROBSON TERRACE and LANCHESTER , ST BEDES CATHOLIC SCHOOL & COLLEGE given service number 825/828/831 effective from 25-Oct-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.

(18 Sep 2015, 6:16 pm)Tom wrote Here we go:

Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Durham Bus Station
Finish Point: Birtley, Durham Road/Coach & Horses
Via:
Service Number: 21
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 12-NOV-2015
Other Details: Thursday 12 November to Sunday 15th November 2015 only

PB0003954/648 - GO NORTH EAST LIMITED, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Stanley Bus Station
Finish Point: Newcastle, Eldon Square Bus Station
Via:
Service Number: 6
Service Type: Normal Stopping/Limited Stop
Effective Date: 25-OCT-2015

Other Details: Monday to Saturday (except public holidays) Sunday (and public holidays)
PB0003954/649 - GO NORTH EAST LIMITED, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Newcastle, Eldon Square Bus Station
Finish Point: Winlaton Bus Station
Via:
Service Number: 12
Service Type: Normal Stopping/Limited Stop
Effective Date: 25-OCT-2015
Other Details: Monday to Saturday (Except public holidays) Sunday(and public holidays)

PB0003954/650 - GO NORTH EAST LIMITED, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Stanley Bus Station
Finish Point: Lanchester Village Green
Via:
Service Number: 30
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 25-OCT-2015
Other Details: Monday to Saturday (except public holidays )

PB0003954/651 - GO NORTH EAST LIMITED, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Castleside, Church Street
Finish Point: Consett Academy
Via:
Service Number: 808
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 25-OCT-2015
Other Details: Monday to Friday (school days only)

PB0003954/652 - GO NORTH EAST LIMITED, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Newcastle, Market Street/Eldon Square Bus Station
Finish Point: Metrocentre Interchange
Via:
Service Number: 95
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 25-OCT-2015
Other Details: Monday to Saturday (except public holidays) Sunday (including public holidays)
PB0003954/653 - GO NORTH EAST LIMITED, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Burnopfield, Lintz Estate
Finish Point: Durham Bus Station
Via:
Service Number: 816
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 25-OCT-2015
Other Details: Monday to Friday School days only

PB0003954/654 - GO NORTH EAST LIMITED, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: East Stanley, Sheridan Drive /Annfield Plain, Fines Park
Finish Point: Metrocentre Interchange
Via:
Service Number: V7
Service Type: Normal Stopping/Limited Stop/Hail & Ride
Effective Date: 25-OCT-2015
Other Details: Monday to Saturday (except public holidays) Sunday (and public holidays)
PB0003954/655 - GO NORTH EAST LIMITED, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA

Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Stanley Bus Station
Finish Point: Newcastle, Eldon Square Bus Station
Via:
Service Number: X30
Service Type: Normal Stopping/Limited Stop
Effective Date: 25-OCT-2015
Other Details: Monday to Saturday (except public holidays) Sunday (and public holidays)

Wrong thread Tom! 

Seems like decent changes.

(18 Sep 2015, 6:20 pm)Michael wrote Wrong thread Tom! 

Seems like decent changes.

Aye haha, sorry. I'm sure Dan can sort that out.

(18 Sep 2015, 6:18 pm)S813 FVK wrote Sure does. Michael, the services look like they aren't being merged together Would have to not include the 130 in that idea too since it would need to double back on itself.

Oh well, it was fun while it lasted! haha

Okay...what is this 831? As it is in the registration for the 825/828, im guessing it is a new scholars service for St Bedes.

Also looks like the X30 will be operating on Sundays now.

(18 Sep 2015, 6:28 pm)Tom wrote Also looks like the X30 will be operating on Sundays now.

Much more convenient with the Tanfield Railway being operational on Sundays. Goes right past Andrew's House (the main station on the 'network')

Just wait until the press release comes out about them...even more surprises than you think

When might that be, will we have to wait until beginning of October?

Cheers


Andrew

(18 Sep 2015, 6:41 pm)47406 wrote When might that be, will we have to wait until beginning of October?

Cheers


Andrew

Yeah. Usually post them well in advance.

(17 Sep 2015, 9:58 pm)G-CPTN wrote West of Hexham (currently served by ANE shared with SNE) has long been a bone of contention.
Services frequently were late or failed completely.
The residents of Haydon Bridge are poorly served by trains, being two-hourly unless they travel first to Haltwhistle then back through Haydon Bridge, so they rely on the bus for a regular hourly service.
Delays from Carlisle along the A69 are understandable given the nature of the road not being dual carriageway (although recent changes to speed limits for trucks from 40mph to 60mph have eased the situation), and the route meanders from the A69 to pass through settlements that are by-passed, adding delays when rejoining the main A69 due to nose-to-tail traffic. 

Arriva (and Stagecoach) have updated their vehicle stock so breakdowns have reduced, though having to service replacements from Carlisle or Jesmond (the Hexham depot is now run by GNE) means lengthy delays whenever a breakdown occurs 'midway'.
GNE revamped their Tynedale Express to alternate X84 and X85 such that X85 journey times are faster to and from Hexham than ANE/SNE's 685/85 services as well as being in direct competition on the Newcastle/Hexham section.
Extending the X85 westwards towards Carlisle would offer a 'better' model (with a Hexham base for replacements if necessary).


If GNE were to compete they would, at least initially offer Haydon Bridge passengers two buses per hour. 
Of course ANE/SNE might abandon the through route . . .
County Councillors have long lobbied for bus (and train) routes to include Gilsland on a regular basis, something that the 185 goes somewhat towards solving. That GNE have taken over 185 from Telfords might indicate their intentions.
Extending the routes westward from Hexham's soon to be new bus station would eliminate criticism that buses won't serve the centre of Hexham, so there is much to be gained if GNE are so minded.

I can't see Gilsland - Low Row being reinstated, there's just no need for it. Hardly anyone uses the bus (you'll maybe get one or two who rely on it) therefore there needs to be some service but having the whole lot of services running through isn't going to be great - especially when it takes approx. 15 mins off the full route duration.

I put something into the Arriva Service Suggestions thread on how the 85/685 should look if I could change it. Basically an express route (truly express - stopping at Corbridge, Hexham, Haydon Bridge, Haltwhistle, Brampton and Carlisle Airport [if necessary]) every 2 hours or so. Then alternating services which serve various places en-route.
The current 685 route in Carlisle (along Warwick Road) is unsuitable due to the congestion it has - especially around peak times. The A689 (past the Airport) doesn't normally get hit by congestion and thus can form a faster route into Carlisle.

It was great when the 685 operated from Hexham (also Carlisle) depots, as you say because it's midway incase there are any failures.

Why does it say that there are changes to the 45/46 and 46A. Is the 46A making a return?

(18 Sep 2015, 8:22 pm)Jackamcardle wrote Why does it say that there are changes to the 45/46 and 46A. Is the 46A making a return?

I think its just a case of the 46A not being removed from the registrations after it was cancelled. Just like the 43B for the Diamond (interestingly with no 44A).

Summary of the VOSA registrations, cancellations and amendments as at 19/09/2015 (effective 25th October 2015)

Registered
- 6 (Newcastle - Stanley)
- 12/12A (Newcastle - Winlaton)
- 16/16A (Durham - Castleside)
- 30 (Stanley - Lanchester)
- 95/96 (Newcastle Eldon Square/Market Street - Metrocentre)
- 808 (Castleside - Consett Academy)
- 816 (Burnopfield - Lintz Estate)
- V7/V8 (East Stanley/Annfield Plain - Metrocentre)
- X30/X31 (Stanley - Newcastle)

Variations
- 8/8A (Sunderland - Stanley)  - Route and Timetable
- 10/10A/10B/11A (Newcastle - Hexham) - Route and Timetable
- 11 (Newcastle - Blackhall Mill) - Route and Timetable
- 15/15A (Consett - Durham) - Timetable
- 45/46 (Consett - Newcastle) - Route, Stopping Places and Timetable
- 47 (Newcastle - Blackhall Mill) - Route, Stopping Places and Timetable
- 49/49A/49C/64 (Gateshead - Winlaton) - Route and Timetable
- 78/78A/X78 (Sunderland - Consett) - Route and Timetable
- 97/97A/97X (Newcastle - Metrocentre) - Route and Timetable
- 704 (Stanley - Stanley) - Timetable
- 825/828/831 (Flint Hill - St Bedes) - Route and Timetable
- V1/V2 (Consett - Consett) - Timetable
- X66 (Metrocentre - Gateshead) - Stopping Places and Timetable.
- X70/X71/X72 (Consett - Newcastle) - Timetable

Cancellations
- 31/32
- 43/43b/44/836/843/844
- 64/64A/95/96/96A
- 130/131
- 706/707
- X30/130/X31
- X43
- V8/808

The VOSA registration numbers would suggest that there isn't a great deal of registrations, amendments and cancellations to appear now, so what can we deter from the VOSA registrations which have appeared already?


New service 6 is being introduced, operating between Newcastle and Stanley. This new service appears to replace the northern section of the "Diamond" 43/44 services between Newcastle and Stanley.

Two new services, numbered 16 and 16A, are being introduced from Durham to Castleside. Based on previous speculation prior to the registrations being submitted; the company's plans outlined in the recent customer consultation; and the cancellation of services 43/44 and V8, I'd suggest that it is clear that these new services are to replace the southern section of the "Diamond" 43/44 services between Durham and Stanley, but also extending to Castleside to replace the V8 service (opposed to continuing to Newcastle via Metrocentre as present). It would be logical to assume that all current frequencies will be maintained, and variations of the route (South Stanley / South Moor) can be achieved by having an 'A' route number variation.

As the current V8 service interworks with "Venture" services 130/131 and 706/707, all of these services have been cancelled on VOSA. Similarly, as the Consett Academy 808 service was on the old V8 registration, this has been cancelled and re-registered. I'd suggest that there is scope for new services V7 (East Stanley - Metrocentre), V8 (Annfield Plain - Metrocentre) and 30 (Stanley - Lanchester) to replace individual sections of each of these routes, based on the fact that they operate in similar areas (which many of you had guessed prior to the registrations even appearing online). It looks like the new V7/V8 services are being introduced as a replacement for the X43 service - Go North East stated in the recent customer consultation that they were looking to introduce an improved 30-minute frequency on the X43 service, and this could be achieved by having a combined half-hourly frequency on services V7/V8. Go North East also stated in the consultation that they wanted to split services X30/X31 at Stanley: the registrations for new service 30 (Stanley - Lanchester) and X30/X31 (Stanley - Newcastle) confirm this will happen.

New services 12/12A are also being introduced, seemingly as a replacement for "Toonlink" services 31/32. I can't imagine there to be any significant changes, as only minor changes in the Winlaton area were proposed within the consultation. Perhaps this could also tie in with an amendment to the "Blaydon Racers" group of services..?

Service 96 is revised to operate a through journey to Newcastle - interestingly, two terminal points are shown on the registration (Eldon Square and Market Street)... I wonder if this could be associated with interworking patterns?

New services 97A and X97 are being introduced, in addition to existing service 97.

It seems that route numbers are being standardised: services 10, 11 and 12 are the new services which operate between Newcastle and Blaydon; existing services 13, 14, 15 and new service 16 are Go North East's services operating in Durham; the introduction of new services V7/V8 allow for a complete set of 'V' route numbers between 1 and 9, and so on.


Most of the changes are now known given that the VOSA registrations are in the public domain. What perhaps will be of greater interest is the revised allocations... 

(19 Sep 2015, 7:23 am)Dan wrote Summary of the VOSA registrations, cancellations and amendments as at 19/09/2015 (effective 25th October 2015)

Great, Dan
Anything on the X66 changes?

(19 Sep 2015, 7:31 am)NK53 TKT wrote Great, Dan
Anything on the X66 changes?

The VOSA registration doesn't give anything away about this one, I'm afraid, so my lips are sealed and you'll have to wait until Go North East's press release for that one!

(19 Sep 2015, 7:33 am)Dan wrote The VOSA registration doesn't give anything away about this one, I'm afraid, so my lips are sealed and you'll have to wait until Go North East's press release for that one!

Damn.....

(19 Sep 2015, 7:33 am)Dan wrote The VOSA registration doesn't give anything away about this one, I'm afraid, so my lips are sealed and you'll have to wait until Go North East's press release for that one!

When will that be?