(16 Jun 2022, 10:03 am)Rob44 wrote no i dont think it did but maybe sainsburys had to agree to serve customers without the use of private transport to be allowed to buy it of them/take it over?

Highly doubt it, Sainsbury's bought it from Morrison's who had to dispose it because of competition laws with the takeover. Same as Heaton, Cramlington, Stockton and Darlington which Sainsbury's got as a package.

(16 Jun 2022, 10:19 am)Storx wrote Highly doubt it, Sainsbury's bought it from Morrison's who had to dispose it because of competition laws with the takeover. Same as Heaton, Cramlington, Stockton and Darlington which Sainsbury's got as a package.

seems strange how its still running when everywhere is making cutback though? unless they signed a long term contract with GNE or it actually brings in the number of shoppers to make it worth while?

(16 Jun 2022, 10:40 am)Rob44 wrote seems strange how its still running when everywhere is making cutback though? unless they signed a long term contract with GNE or it actually brings in the number of shoppers to make it worth while?

In times when they're struggling for resource, I thought it would be one of  the first to give or it would be integrated in to something commercial.

(16 Jun 2022, 10:40 am)Rob44 wrote seems strange how its still running when everywhere is making cutback though? unless they signed a long term contract with GNE or it actually brings in the number of shoppers to make it worth while?

Yeah, I'm not sure how long it's been running but wonder if it might have been a planning condition on the small extension it has in the late 00's / early 10's which took away the bus stop and taxi rank outside.

https://goo.gl/maps/gzpxqhMgxWMtDCLo7 - You can see it pre extension here.

It was a condition of Safeway closing their Wrekenton branch and moving to the Team Valley (Wrekenton became a Co-Op)

(15 Jun 2022, 10:32 am)gc802002 wrote Would it be possible to bolt the 25 onto the 28/29 service or Maybe a 21 and call it 21A perhaps?

I wpukd possibly have the 28 diverted from birtley to galleries via current 82 route. Would complement the current 8 service nicely providing extra bus to Chester and beamish

(16 Jun 2022, 10:47 am)Storx wrote Yeah, I'm not sure how long it's been running but wonder if it might have been a planning condition on the small extension it has in the late 00's / early 10's which took away the bus stop and taxi rank outside.

https://goo.gl/maps/gzpxqhMgxWMtDCLo7 - You can see it pre extension here.

Was definatley running in the Safeway period,  I first was in that neck of the woods in 1995 and it existed then, surprisingly alongside a Thursday only free bus from Safeway to Kibblesworth.
Think the Kibblesworth bus lasted until early sainsburys time

(16 Jun 2022, 5:09 pm)ifm001 wrote Was definatley running in the Safeway period,  I first was in that neck of the woods in 1995 and it existed then, surprisingly alongside a Thursday only free bus from Safeway to Kibblesworth.
Think the Kibblesworth bus lasted until early sainsburys time

There's a timetable for the service from November 1996 in the bygone era.

(16 Jun 2022, 5:09 pm)ifm001 wrote Was definatley running in the Safeway period,  I first was in that neck of the woods in 1995 and it existed then, surprisingly alongside a Thursday only free bus from Safeway to Kibblesworth.
Think the Kibblesworth bus lasted until early sainsburys time

Yeah that's fair then guess it was because of the move from Wrekenton like Ambassador said. Mind surprised they haven't got around it by now since all the other free buses are pretty much gone.

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(15 Jun 2022, 5:11 pm)Thomas12 wrote This is genuinely not instead to be a flippant or abrupt response so please don’t view it in that way. 

Where do you think these people would prefer buses to? 

I think that is a very interesting question. The answer to which is probably a different question. Such as "how can you serve these places with a bus given the local geography"

You only have to look at a map of where Pelton Fell is to see the problem. There are no north/south roads, you can only go east or west, so the obvious places to send buses for a village that size are routes east to Chester and west towards Stanley and Beamish, as there is nowhere else to go. 

Most of the other villages in that area have the opposite problem. They have three of four ways in and out and they are connected to each other - Grange Villa, Beamish, Newfield, Pelton, Craghead etc. Except for Pelton, they are pretty small, so there is no volume for multiple different destinations. 

What if you find that you have a small group of people that from time to time travel from Grange Villa to Sacriston by car at different times of the day. But more people travel from Grange Villa to Stanley and Chester by bus, and then you discover there is little or no potential passenger flow from Newfield or Pelton to Sacriston? You wouldn't run a bus from Grange Villa to Sacriston as there are no other potential passengers to help create the volume needed.

Geography also explains one of the forums favourite topics as to why the structure of the Northern network map hasn't changed much since the days of Beamish - you can only serve certain places in certain ways due to where they are and how they relate to places around them. Nobody complains about the Stagecoach Newcastle network footprint. According to my Busways map from 1992 and corporation map from the 60s, the core network is almost exactly the same as now!

If we look at a map of the Kibblesworth area. It has easy access to the A1, so you can be as far as Morpeth and Darlington in just over thirty minutes by car. Take a step back and ask where the volume to run buses is coming from for a village in that location with only 1,500 people?

Unless somebody wants to build an entire bus network with Kibblesworth at the centre, I reckon only the 29 route to Gateshead is really justified, maybe on a half hourly basis, with alternate trips operating via Team Valley for workers and Low Fell for local services and connections. Anything more than that would mean a "double run", which would cost time, and potentially extra vehicles, wherever they ended up going.

(18 Jun 2022, 6:31 am)DeltaMan wrote I think that is a very intresting question. The answer to which is probably a different question. Such as "how can you serve these places with a bus given the local geography"

You only have to look at a map of where Pelton Fell is to see the problem. There are no north/south roads, you can only go east or west, so the obvious places to send buses for a village that size are routes east to Chester and west towards Stanley and Beamish, as there is nowhere else to go. 

Most of the other villages in that area have the opposite problem. They have three of four ways in and out and they are connected to each other - Grange Villa, Beamish, Newfield, Pelton, Craghead etc. Except for Pelton, they are pretty small, so there is no volume for multiple different destinations. 

What if you find that you have a small group of people that from time to time travel from Grange Villa to Sacriston by car at different times of the day. But more people travel from Grange Villa to Stanley and Chester by bus, and then you discover there is little or no potential passenger flow from Newfield or Pelton to Sacriston? You wouldn't run a bus from Grange Villa to Sacriston as there are no other potential passengers to help create the volume needed.

Geography also explains one of the forums favourite topics as to why the structure of the Northern network map hasn't changed much since the days of Beamish - you can only serve certain places in certain ways due to where they are and how they relate to places around them. Nobody complains about the Stagecoach Newcastle network footprint. According to my Busways map from 1992 and corporation map from the 60s, the core network is almost exactly the same as now!

If we look at a map of the Kibblesworth area. It has easy access to the A1, so you can be as far as Morpeth and Darlington in just over thirty minutes by car. Take a step back and ask where the volume to run buses is coming from for a village in that location with only 1,500 people?

Unless somebody wants to build an entire bus network with Kibblesworth at the centre, I reckon only the 29 route to Gateshead is really justified, maybe on a half hourly basis, with alternate trips operating via Team Valley for workers and Low Fell for local services and connections. Anything more than that would mean a "double run", which would cost time, and potentially extra vehicles, wherever they ended up going.

imo Kibblesworth is the sort of the place where on paper a DRT would work well imo with the other few villages around there; Lamesley, Urpeth Grange, Ouston, Eighton Banks, High Hold etc.

It's just a shame they've never really been pushed much, mind it's questionable whether it would be better for a bus operator or a taxi operator to run it though as a sort of half way house between them. It's certainly better than the taxi buses which are creeping up in the area again which are infrequent are borderline useless.

Bus wise it only really deserves an hourly service and that's generous and since it's in an awkward place it's hard to send services via it without diverting off route.

(17 Jun 2022, 9:13 pm)TEN 6083 wrote https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...y-24256712

'I'm over the moon' – Joy for Walker and Wallsend bus passengers as Q3 route is rescued after cuts


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Good news for the 5 people who use it!

(18 Jun 2022, 9:02 am)Michael wrote Good news for the 5 people who use it!

I am assuming you’ve never used the service before, as the passenger numbers were actually quite decent a lot of the time.

(18 Jun 2022, 9:08 am)Thomas12 wrote I am assuming you’ve never used the service before, as the passenger numbers were actually quite decent a lot of the time.

I was being sarcastic

bur overall, glad its back for them, even if its only half hourly

(18 Jun 2022, 9:13 am)Michael wrote I was being sarcastic 

bur overall, glad its back for them, even if its only half hourly

Haha, fair enough. To be fair though, there probably are a few Nexus secured services that do only carry 5 passengers. Surprised services like the taxi buses, 515 and 135/136 weren’t removed in the latest round of Nexus changes. 

To be fair to Nexus, they seem to have solved the problem in North Tyneside removing similar services like the K1/K2 and 359.

Someones written a message on the bus stop at lambton saying dont use go north east, bus doesnt even f***** turn up

(18 Jun 2022, 11:34 am)ASX_Terranova wrote Someones written a message on the bus stop at lambton saying dont use go north east, bus doesnt even f***** turn up

I think GNE are getting reputation as the company who will just remove any service, and there buses don't turn up, even if there is nothing on social media about cancellations or breakdowns even on services whcih are every 12-15 mins

(18 Jun 2022, 11:40 am)Unber43 wrote I think GNE are getting reputation as the company who will just remove any service, and there buses don't turn up, even if there is nothing on social media about cancellations or breakdowns even on services whcih are every 12-15 mins

to be fair, Stagecoach aren’t much better. 

A few times I’ve used the 22 recently they’ve been curtailed at Walkergate Depot without any notice or prior warning - that’s if they even turn up at all. Plenty of 12s missing too most of the time.

(18 Jun 2022, 12:05 pm)Thomas12 wrote to be fair, Stagecoach aren’t much better. 

A few times I’ve used the 22 recently they’ve been curtailed at Walkergate Depot without any notice or prior warning - that’s if they even turn up at all. Plenty of 12s missing too most of the time.

I don't regularly use Stagecoach, so I don't see many complaints it doesn't help that there social media team just puts out some services wont operate as normal, I mean thats great.

(18 Jun 2022, 11:34 am)ASX_Terranova wrote Someones written a message on the bus stop at lambton saying dont use go north east, bus doesnt even f***** turn up

That will be the Lambton Mad Dogs starting their guerrilla campaign.

(18 Jun 2022, 12:12 pm)Unber43 wrote I don't regularly use Stagecoach, so I don't see many complaints it doesn't help that there social media team just puts out some services wont operate as normal, I mean thats great.

A lot of the E1s didn't run, last Saturday - lots of annoyed passengers on the E6 we ended up on.

(18 Jun 2022, 12:22 pm)Andreos1 wrote That will be the Lambton Mad Dogs starting their guerrilla campaign.

Surprised the LMD can even afford the bus fare after they've spent there Universal Credit on the groups essentials of such as a Mickey Richie £20 Deal a piece, half dozen bottles of Lambrini and White Lighting for an all day everyday session round the back of the village centre if not at Lambton Rock.

How the 5 keeps going i do not no that with 10/11 worst bus srvices going

Now the Q3 is saved i wonder how long it'll be until its merged with the 41

(18 Jun 2022, 3:15 pm)Gonorth91 wrote How the 5 keeps going i do not no that with 10/11 worst bus srvices going

The 5 isn't designed for anyone to use from end to end. Anyone in a hurry will have used the Metro or the 27.
Historically, the 5 is the old 521 route from Jarrow to Fellgate, and the old 533 route from Fellgate to South Shields via Boldon.
As for the 10/11 (assuming you mean the Stagecoach South Shields routes), these used to be a circle, but the Simonside to South Shields via Laygate section was dropped in favour of Nexus supported extensions initially to Jarrow via Low Simonside and Hill Park (replacing the old 522) and then to North Shields (replacing the 319 minibus). In short, they're routes made of a**e ends of other routes.

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700/701/702 in Sunderland are likely to be the "Summer" timetable - where it goes to Roker.

(20 Jun 2022, 6:04 pm)Michael wrote PB0003954/1274
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700/701/702 in Sunderland are likely to be the "Summer" timetable - where it goes to Roker.

Given that it looks like other timetable changes are happening in N.Tyneside, can they not get the evening 309 & 310 journeys ex Newcastle sorted once and for all? Absolutely ridiculous that passengers on unique sections of the 310 (not easily covered by alternatives) have to wait up to an hour for a bus ex Newcastle, yet the 309 which is at least well covered in most instances by an alternative (308), passengers only have to wait 30 mins tops with absolutely no common timings (still would br a help even with separate ticketing). And the timings are useless for anyone who still works on the Cobalt heading towards W.Bay & Blyth having to wait up to nearly 50-55 mins for a bus unless shelling out extra money for the 54 & 308.

(20 Jun 2022, 6:04 pm)Michael wrote PB0003954/1274
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700/701/702 in Sunderland are likely to be the "Summer" timetable - where it goes to Roker.

Surprising to see the 41 returning to Howdon - unless it's just a mistake on the registration.

(20 Jun 2022, 8:17 pm)Thomas12 wrote Surprising to see the 41 returning to Howdon - unless it's just a mistake on the registration.

Not a mistake, briefings were sent out this afternoon detailing all the July changes