(05 Sep 2014, 12:19 pm)Michael wrote Nothing confirmed as there's nothing for them getting withdrawn as their current numbers, only M3A but that's NEXUS.

It's a good idea changing them, wonder if they will increase/descrease in frequancy to, just changes to timetable.

Hopefully GNE will run all of them 7 days week instead of a different company running them to on a evening... would be better

Well, if they took the rough with the smooth and decided to operate it commercially...

(05 Sep 2014, 2:50 pm)Andreos Constantopolous wrote Well, if they took the rough with the smooth and decided to operate it commercially...

Maybe, hopefully tbh, i'm not even sure what the number passengers are for the M2/M2A/M3/M3A/W5 or W6 during the day.. as i'm not from Washington.. can imagine it being quite low on a night?

(05 Sep 2014, 2:54 pm)Michael wrote Maybe, hopefully tbh, i'm not even sure what the number passengers are for the M2/M2A/M3/M3A/W5 or W6 during the day.. as i'm not from Washington.. can imagine it being quite low on a night?

Used them the M2/M3 a bit, but not for a while.
They carry more than fresh air, particularly when the bingo is starting/finishing.
Not much taken in the way of cash - before or after GNE got rid of the evening stuff.
Lots of traveltickets, buzzfares and conc tickets at that time of day.

(05 Sep 2014, 2:33 pm)Jimmi wrote PB0003954/602 - GO NORTH EAST LIMITED, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA

Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between ROWLANDS GILL, DIPWOOD ROAD and LANCHESTER ST BEDES CATHOLIC SCHOOL & COLLEGE given service number 819/820/827 effective from 29-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable

Oh thats good to see! Nothing about bringing the 830 back and terminating the 825 at Stanley again! Thats the change that should take priority over everything.

(05 Sep 2014, 10:31 am)Michael wrote PB0002400/304 - GO NORTHERN LTD T/A GO NORTH EAST, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Variation Accepted: Operating between Concord bus Station and Columbria Barmston Court given service number 85/86 effective from 02-Nov-2014. To amend Timetable.

PB0002400/380 - GO NORTHERN LTD T/A GO NORTH EAST, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Variation Accepted: Operating between Easington Lane, High Street and Newcastle, Eldon Square Bus Station given service number X1 effective from 02-Nov-2014. To amend Timetable.

PB0002400/417 - GO NORTHERN LTD T/A GO NORTH EAST, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Variation Accepted: Operating between Stanley Bus Station and Sunderland Park Lane interchange given service number 8/8A effective from 02-Nov-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.

PB0002400/419 - GO NORTHERN LTD T/A GO NORTH EAST, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Variation Accepted: Operating between Houton Le Spring the Broadway and Heworth Metro given service number 4 effective from 02-Nov-2014. To amend Timetable.

PB0002400/420 - GO NORTHERN LTD T/A GO NORTH EAST, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birtley Town Centre and Heworth metro given service number 82/82A/83/83A effective from 02-Nov-2014. To amend Timetable.

PB0002400/444 - GO NORTHERN LTD T/A GO NORTH EAST, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Variation Accepted: Operating between South Shields Market and Hebburn Lukes Lane Estate given service number 88 / 88A effective from 02-Nov-2014. To amend Timetable.

PB0003954/386 - GO NORTH EAST LIMITED, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Variation Accepted: Operating between Consett Bus Station and Sunderland Park Lane Interchange given service number 78/78A/X78 effective from 02-Nov-2014. To amend Timetable.

PB0003954/541 - GO NORTH EAST LIMITED, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Heworth Metro and Chester-Le-Street, south Burns given service number M3A effective from 02-Nov-2014.

In the bold... looks like they changing the number of the M2/M2A/M3A/W5/W6

Reintroduction of service 8A or a plain mistake? Just reading through. No point in having an 8A unless its intended to go via the 78 route to Chester then the ordinary 8 route to Sunderland on Sundays (and evenings) and replacing the 78 operations on Sundays. Other than that, cant think of anything else.

(05 Sep 2014, 3:47 pm)Robert wrote Reintroduction of service 8A or a plain mistake? Just reading through. No point in having an 8A unless its intended to go via the 78 route to Chester then the ordinary 8 route to Sunderland on Sundays (and evenings) and replacing the 78 operations on Sundays. Other than that, cant think of anything else.

Exterior shot of Go North East's 4837, Volvo B10BLE/Wright Renown by danielgrahamm, on Flickr

See caption on photo.

(05 Sep 2014, 3:50 pm)Dan wrote Exterior shot of Go North East's 4837, Volvo B10BLE/Wright Renown by danielgrahamm, on Flickr

See caption on photo.

Any idea why it was going to Chester via Grange Villa?

(05 Sep 2014, 3:58 pm)Andreos Constantopolous wrote Any idea why it was going to Chester via Grange Villa?

Perhaps there's multiple 8As loaded, and the driver has selected the wrong one.

(05 Sep 2014, 3:47 pm)Robert wrote Reintroduction of service 8A or a plain mistake? Just reading through. No point in having an 8A unless its intended to go via the 78 route to Chester then the ordinary 8 route to Sunderland on Sundays (and evenings) and replacing the 78 operations on Sundays. Other than that, cant think of anything else.

Have to remember that the VOSA registrations isn't changed sometimes, the 51/52 one, still has them going to Newcastle, when they don't.

(05 Sep 2014, 4:17 pm)Michael wrote Have to remember that the VOSA registrations isn't changed sometimes, the 51/52 one, still has them going to Newcastle, when they don't.

It no mistake, Service 8 & 8A are to operate stanley to sunderland. 8A via the current 8 route, 8 has a new route. Route learning for chester drivers to commence on monday. Noticed the 78/78a has a timetable change, possible that the 8, 8a may interwork and the 78 may stand alone or 8 or 8a maybe peak journeys only and the 78 maybe retimed to account for extra running time if required on the 8.

(05 Sep 2014, 4:50 pm)nk55 wrote It no mistake, Service 8 & 8A are to operate stanley to sunderland. 8A via the current 8 route, 8 has a new route. Route learning for chester drivers to commence on monday. Noticed the 78/78a has a timetable change, possible that the 8, 8a may interwork and the 78 may stand alone or 8 or 8a maybe peak journeys only and the 78 maybe retimed to account for extra running time if required on the 8. All will be revealed on the gne website.

Interesting!

Hopefully something will be done to allow extra time during peaks, when the 8/78 is affected hideously by the traffic on Chester Road.

(05 Sep 2014, 4:50 pm)nk55 wrote It no mistake, Service 8 & 8A are to operate stanley to sunderland. 8A via the current 8 route, 8 has a new route. Route learning for chester drivers to commence on monday. Noticed the 78/78a has a timetable change, possible that the 8, 8a may interwork and the 78 may stand alone or 8 or 8a maybe peak journeys only and the 78 maybe retimed to account for extra running time if required on the 8.

Ah right sounds interesting... wonder if this will effect the order for new buses for it.

Any idea what this 8 route will be?

I use the Lime to the galleries on a morning that's all

Edit: Will we finally get the 8 going through Sunderland Enterprise park near Castletown, then along to the Washington highway?, wasn't that proposed years ago, can;t remember the full route they wanted to do

And how will effect the frequency, hourly each?

(05 Sep 2014, 4:55 pm)Dan wrote Interesting!

Hopefully something will be done to allow extra time during peaks, when the 8/78 is affected hideously by the traffic on Chester Road.

Bloody hope so, maybe it might be like the X35/X36, have a longer lay off, about 10-15 mins?

(05 Sep 2014, 10:31 am)Michael wrote PB0002400/304 - GO NORTHERN LTD T/A GO NORTH EAST, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Variation Accepted: Operating between Concord bus Station and Columbria Barmston Court given service number 85/86 effective from 02-Nov-2014. To amend Timetable.

PB0002400/420 - GO NORTHERN LTD T/A GO NORTH EAST, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birtley Town Centre and Heworth metro given service number 82/82A/83/83A effective from 02-Nov-2014. To amend Timetable.

PB0003954/541 - GO NORTH EAST LIMITED, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Heworth Metro and Chester-Le-Street, south Burns given service number M3A effective from 02-Nov-2014.

In the bold... looks like they changing the number of the M2/M2A/M3A/W5/W6

Although it'll look rather strange at first, it makes perfect sense Re-Numbering the Washington Local Services into the (80 Series) alongside the 88/88A, I don't see the point of the 82A/83A though, When Go North East could of easily Numbered them 81 and 84 so that the Letters could be dropped, I would argue the same for the 88A, Could be 87 or 89.

(05 Sep 2014, 5:11 pm)NEBCD Malarkey wrote Although it'll look rather strange at first, it makes perfect sense Re-Numbering the Washington Local Services into the (80 Series) alongside the 88/88A, I don't see the point of the 82A/83A though, When Go North East could of easily Numbered them 81 and 84 so that the Letters could be dropped, I would argue the same for the 88A, Could be 87 or 89.

I think it would be a lot easier to keep the 'A' on the services. People have known them as a 'M2A' or 'M3A' so if it was to change may cause a slight bit of confusion.

(05 Sep 2014, 5:18 pm)Robert wrote I think it would be a lot easier to keep the 'A' on the services. People have known them as a 'M2A' or 'M3A' so if it was to change may cause a slight bit of confusion.

But the M2A/M3A are only Peak Time Services though, so surely it won't be that confusing for Passengers.

(05 Sep 2014, 5:24 pm)NEBCD Malarkey wrote But the M2A/M3A are only Peak Time Services though, so surely it won't be that confusing for Passengers.

How long have the M2A/M3A been running as those services? Its exactly the same service with a slight variation, therefore, i dont see any point in classing the services as 2 different ones. People are going to be too used to the M2A/M3A turning up and at least 82A/83A will resemble this closely, making it easier for people to recognize what service it is rather than having a completely different service number which may lead people to think that its a brand new service and they should let the bus go past them. You'd be surprised at how many people just look at the service number rather than the destination because they know what bus they are boarding.

(05 Sep 2014, 5:11 pm)NEBCD Malarkey wrote Although it'll look rather strange at first, it makes perfect sense Re-Numbering the Washington Local Services into the (80 Series) alongside the 88/88A, I don't see the point of the 82A/83A though, When Go North East could of easily Numbered them 81 and 84 so that the Letters could be dropped, I would argue the same for the 88A, Could be 87 or 89.

didnt there used to be an 87 and 89 in Hebburn at one point(think it was round 2009),and 81 used to be the old pink panther,if the M's are being changed then the 4 seems out of place now as the M1 was the first to go

(05 Sep 2014, 5:35 pm)V514DFT wrote didnt there used to be an 87 and 89 in Hebburn at one point(think it was round 2009),and 81 used to be the old pink panther,if the M's are being changed then the 4 seems out of place now as the M1 was the first to go

I can see where you are coming from with the 4, but I think it's down to the Branding of the X1 Being Different, Might seem pointless but perhaps Renumbering the X1 to X4 and Re-Branding the "Red Arrows" to "Connections 4 Express", Could be a Clever Marketing move by Go North East.

Maybe a GNE representative can give some details on the lime changes?

(05 Sep 2014, 6:21 pm)Michael wrote Maybe a GNE representative can give some details on the lime changes?

I have a feeling the 8A will be basically the old X8, As for the current 8 I have no idea but it could leave Picktree Village without a Service during the Day, Depending on what the changes actually are, I do think that having the 8 Operating Non Stop between CLS and Washington could be a Major Benefit to the Reliability of the Service.

(05 Sep 2014, 6:29 pm)NEBCD Malarkey wrote I have a feeling the 8A will be basically the old X8, As for the current 8 I have no idea but it could leave Picktree Village without a Service during the Day, Depending on what the changes actually are, I do think that having the 8 Operating Non Stop between CLS and Washington could be a Major Benefit to the Reliability of the Service.

Something needs to be done about chester road though, wonder if new buses are odrered, then a extra bus will be added to increase timings, to give it better Reliability.... the way the orders are atm, i don't think we will see new buses by the time the changes come around...

(05 Sep 2014, 6:29 pm)NEBCD Malarkey wrote I have a feeling the 8A will be basically the old X8, As for the current 8 I have no idea but it could leave Picktree Village without a Service during the Day, Depending on what the changes actually are, I do think that having the 8 Operating Non Stop between CLS and Washington could be a Major Benefit to the Reliability of the Service.

No, the 8A will operate the current 8 route. Picktree village will still have a service.

(05 Sep 2014, 6:40 pm)nk55 wrote No, the 8A will operate the current 8 route. Picktree village will still have a service.

Any idea what this 8 route will be?

have you had these changes confirmed by GNE?

(05 Sep 2014, 6:32 pm)Michael wrote Something needs to be done about chester road though, wonder if new buses are odrered, then a extra bus will be added to increase timings, to give it better Reliability.... the way the orders are atm, i don't think we will see new buses by the time the changes come around...

Without going off topic too much, I think Chester Road has more than enough of a service between Kayll Road and the A19.
The 2's and 78's are more than dominant along there.

If the 8 was diverted, maybe via Kayll Road, Pallion and the Queen Alexandra Bridge - possibly through the business park, I think it could benefit the service and passengers.

(05 Sep 2014, 6:42 pm)Michael wrote Any idea what this 8 route will be?

have you had these changes confirmed by GNE?

Yes, we have a map in depot. Route training will commence next week, every day for 3 weeks. No idea of times if the 8 will be peak journeys or all day and also if it'll interwork with the 78.

(05 Sep 2014, 6:48 pm)Andreos Constantopolous wrote Without going out of topic too much, I think Chester Road has more than enough of a service between Kayll Road and the A19.
The 2's and 78's are more than dominant along there.

If the 8 was diverted, maybe via Pallion and the Queen Alexandra Bridge - possibly through the business park, I think it could benefit the service and passengers.

I also mentioned that earlier to, i think it was NEXUS who proposed that route?

Like nk55 said the 8A will do the 8 route and the 8 a new one... however i have a feeling each service will be hourly... only points which will have 30 mins could be:

Sunderland - Hospital
Waterview Park » Washington
Maybe a non stop like someone said before between Washington and Chester le street?
Chester Le - Street to Stanley

(05 Sep 2014, 6:51 pm)nk55 wrote Yes, we have a map in depot. Route training will commence next week, every day for 3 weeks. No idea of times if the 8 will be peak journeys or all day and also if it'll interwork with the 78.

If the 8 is only peak times then it should be the 8A... that's daft.

Any idea when the changes will be posted at the depot?

(05 Sep 2014, 6:48 pm)Andreos Constantopolous wrote Without going off topic too much, I think Chester Road has more than enough of a service between Kayll Road and the A19.
The 2's and 78's are more than dominant along there.

If the 8 was diverted, maybe via Kayll Road, Pallion and the Queen Alexandra Bridge - possibly through the business park, I think it could benefit the service and passengers.

Not forgetting the 39 also operates down chester road.

(05 Sep 2014, 6:57 pm)nk55 wrote Not forgetting the 39 also operates down chester road.

and the stagecoach 5/5A/16

The 35/35B/35C and 136 and the 700/701 XD

99A - early morning
X36 peak times

(05 Sep 2014, 5:45 pm)NEBCD Malarkey wrote I can see where you are coming from with the 4, but I think it's down to the Branding of the X1 Being Different, Might seem pointless but perhaps Renumbering the X1 to X4 and Re-Branding the "Red Arrows" to "Connections 4 Express", Could be a Clever Marketing move by Go North East.

I think the "Red Arrows" is a well-known brand name, and therefore effective.