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Andreos1



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31 May 2015, 5:51 pm #1,021
(31 May 2015, 5:23 pm)Malarkey The current Fleet Archive Document for Go North East on Simplygo,com in the Enthusiast Area goes back as far as January 6th 2003, so there is just over 12 Years of Fleet History, dont think anything has been removed from that Document either.

I recall Dan using it not so long ago when compiling individual Vehicle History for the NEB(GNE) Fleet List, before having rely on Flickr Searches and speaking to other Enthusiasts etc to find the relevant information that he required to ensure it was all up to date.

As well as fleet movements, there will be all sorts of records kept relating to fuel, maintenance, modifications, testing, tax, etc. Then possibly records relating to incident's, accidents and rtc's.
Not too different to when people keep documents for their car.

The difference being, me keeping a file of paperwork for my car, is a lot easier than an electronic record for hundreds of vehicles - which may also include details of BSOG, Green Bus Fund etc.

It makes sense having an electronic system, but I don't see why all of that information needs keeping after x years.
Fleet history - maybe.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
31 May 2015, 5:51 pm #1,021

(31 May 2015, 5:23 pm)Malarkey The current Fleet Archive Document for Go North East on Simplygo,com in the Enthusiast Area goes back as far as January 6th 2003, so there is just over 12 Years of Fleet History, dont think anything has been removed from that Document either.

I recall Dan using it not so long ago when compiling individual Vehicle History for the NEB(GNE) Fleet List, before having rely on Flickr Searches and speaking to other Enthusiasts etc to find the relevant information that he required to ensure it was all up to date.

As well as fleet movements, there will be all sorts of records kept relating to fuel, maintenance, modifications, testing, tax, etc. Then possibly records relating to incident's, accidents and rtc's.
Not too different to when people keep documents for their car.

The difference being, me keeping a file of paperwork for my car, is a lot easier than an electronic record for hundreds of vehicles - which may also include details of BSOG, Green Bus Fund etc.

It makes sense having an electronic system, but I don't see why all of that information needs keeping after x years.
Fleet history - maybe.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Adrian



9,584
31 May 2015, 6:15 pm #1,022
(31 May 2015, 5:12 pm)Andreos1 Most paper records are archived after a period and then destroyed. So to keep an electronic version, on a system that will more than likely being replaced anyway...

It shouldn't be on the wit of beast to somehow translate the old data onto another format (keeping the relevant info) then delete it from the original system.

You'd be surprised mate. Funnily enough, most systems aren't designed to be ported across to a competitor. Even something that runs opensource, e.g. this forum software (MyBB) and the database engine (MySQL), requires quite a bit of work to convert.

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Adrian
31 May 2015, 6:15 pm #1,022

(31 May 2015, 5:12 pm)Andreos1 Most paper records are archived after a period and then destroyed. So to keep an electronic version, on a system that will more than likely being replaced anyway...

It shouldn't be on the wit of beast to somehow translate the old data onto another format (keeping the relevant info) then delete it from the original system.

You'd be surprised mate. Funnily enough, most systems aren't designed to be ported across to a competitor. Even something that runs opensource, e.g. this forum software (MyBB) and the database engine (MySQL), requires quite a bit of work to convert.


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MurdnunoC



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31 May 2015, 6:34 pm #1,023
(31 May 2015, 6:15 pm)aureolin You'd be surprised mate. Funnily enough, most systems aren't designed to be ported across to a competitor. Even something that runs opensource, e.g. this forum software (MyBB) and the database engine (MySQL), requires quite a bit of work to convert.

Even converting something like odt to docx (or docx to pdf) takes a little bit of time and effort to sort out the formatting. 
MurdnunoC
31 May 2015, 6:34 pm #1,023

(31 May 2015, 6:15 pm)aureolin You'd be surprised mate. Funnily enough, most systems aren't designed to be ported across to a competitor. Even something that runs opensource, e.g. this forum software (MyBB) and the database engine (MySQL), requires quite a bit of work to convert.

Even converting something like odt to docx (or docx to pdf) takes a little bit of time and effort to sort out the formatting. 

Michael



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31 May 2015, 6:44 pm #1,024
A question, looking on the GNE fleet news archives and found:

4th April 2003
With the transfer of 4 car workings on services 35/35A to South Shields, SPD 8201 - 8204 have
been transferred from Deptford to South Shields.

What were the 4 car workings?

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
31 May 2015, 6:44 pm #1,024

A question, looking on the GNE fleet news archives and found:

4th April 2003
With the transfer of 4 car workings on services 35/35A to South Shields, SPD 8201 - 8204 have
been transferred from Deptford to South Shields.

What were the 4 car workings?


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Malarkey



6,064
31 May 2015, 6:47 pm #1,025
(31 May 2015, 5:29 pm)Dan Yes, I used it extensively to compile the history for each individual vehicle in the fleet. There was a number of movements missing, and it was actually Go North East's Fleet Administrator who confirmed these movements for me through the company's system they use to record fleet movements.

Prior to January 2003, all fleet movements were recorded on paper. These paper documents are all still at Chester-le-Street, where the Fleet Administrator used to be based prior to moving to Bensham. I don't think many (if any at all) have been destroyed, for reference purposes. I should pick them up for him next week - I'm going to be there plenty! Tongue 
Could also fully update that Archive Document on Simplygo.com for Fleet Movements prior to January 2003 over a period of time, perhaps add in a few photos here and there of Vehicles over the Years.

Edit:
http://www.eyms.co.uk/enthusiasts/fleet-...pe=viewall - You could even make it like the EYMS Fleet List on their Website.
Edited 31 May 2015, 6:50 pm by Malarkey.
Malarkey
31 May 2015, 6:47 pm #1,025

(31 May 2015, 5:29 pm)Dan Yes, I used it extensively to compile the history for each individual vehicle in the fleet. There was a number of movements missing, and it was actually Go North East's Fleet Administrator who confirmed these movements for me through the company's system they use to record fleet movements.

Prior to January 2003, all fleet movements were recorded on paper. These paper documents are all still at Chester-le-Street, where the Fleet Administrator used to be based prior to moving to Bensham. I don't think many (if any at all) have been destroyed, for reference purposes. I should pick them up for him next week - I'm going to be there plenty! Tongue 
Could also fully update that Archive Document on Simplygo.com for Fleet Movements prior to January 2003 over a period of time, perhaps add in a few photos here and there of Vehicles over the Years.

Edit:
http://www.eyms.co.uk/enthusiasts/fleet-...pe=viewall - You could even make it like the EYMS Fleet List on their Website.

MurdnunoC



3,975
31 May 2015, 6:49 pm #1,026
(31 May 2015, 6:44 pm)Michael A question, looking on the GNE fleet news archives and found:

4th April 2003
With the transfer of 4 car workings on services 35/35A to South Shields, SPD 8201 - 8204 have
been transferred from Deptford to South Shields.

What were the 4 car workings?

A Vauxhall Cavalier, a Skoda Fabia, a Ford Granada and a G-reg Escort XR3i.  Tongue
Edited 31 May 2015, 6:50 pm by MurdnunoC.
MurdnunoC
31 May 2015, 6:49 pm #1,026

(31 May 2015, 6:44 pm)Michael A question, looking on the GNE fleet news archives and found:

4th April 2003
With the transfer of 4 car workings on services 35/35A to South Shields, SPD 8201 - 8204 have
been transferred from Deptford to South Shields.

What were the 4 car workings?

A Vauxhall Cavalier, a Skoda Fabia, a Ford Granada and a G-reg Escort XR3i.  Tongue

Dan

Site Administrator

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31 May 2015, 6:50 pm #1,027
(31 May 2015, 6:44 pm)Michael A question, looking on the GNE fleet news archives and found:

4th April 2003
With the transfer of 4 car workings on services 35/35A to South Shields, SPD 8201 - 8204 have
been transferred from Deptford to South Shields.

What were the 4 car workings?

That just means South Shields Depot inherited four running boards worth of work from Deptford on services 35/35A.

The equivalent in the current network would be the 10/10A/10B split between Hexham and Riverside. If one depot was to gain more of the PVR, they'd have to receive more buses.
Dan
31 May 2015, 6:50 pm #1,027

(31 May 2015, 6:44 pm)Michael A question, looking on the GNE fleet news archives and found:

4th April 2003
With the transfer of 4 car workings on services 35/35A to South Shields, SPD 8201 - 8204 have
been transferred from Deptford to South Shields.

What were the 4 car workings?

That just means South Shields Depot inherited four running boards worth of work from Deptford on services 35/35A.

The equivalent in the current network would be the 10/10A/10B split between Hexham and Riverside. If one depot was to gain more of the PVR, they'd have to receive more buses.

Michael



19,174
31 May 2015, 6:51 pm #1,028
(31 May 2015, 6:50 pm)Dan That just means South Shields Depot inherited four running boards worth of work from Deptford on services 35/35A.

The equivalent in the current network would be the 10/10A/10B split between Hexham and Riverside. If one depot was to gain more of the PVR, they'd have to receive more buses.

Ah right, was confused! cheers

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
31 May 2015, 6:51 pm #1,028

(31 May 2015, 6:50 pm)Dan That just means South Shields Depot inherited four running boards worth of work from Deptford on services 35/35A.

The equivalent in the current network would be the 10/10A/10B split between Hexham and Riverside. If one depot was to gain more of the PVR, they'd have to receive more buses.

Ah right, was confused! cheers


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Dan

Site Administrator

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31 May 2015, 6:54 pm #1,029
(31 May 2015, 6:51 pm)Michael Ah right, was confused! cheers

I hope you didn't literally take it as some sort of "car" service...

To be honest, I wouldn't imagine many would know what a "car working" was.
Dan
31 May 2015, 6:54 pm #1,029

(31 May 2015, 6:51 pm)Michael Ah right, was confused! cheers

I hope you didn't literally take it as some sort of "car" service...

To be honest, I wouldn't imagine many would know what a "car working" was.

Michael



19,174
31 May 2015, 6:55 pm #1,030
(31 May 2015, 6:54 pm)Dan I hope you didn't literally take it as some sort of "car" service...

To be honest, I wouldn't imagine many would know what a "car working" was.

I didn't  Big Grin

Never of heard of that term before. 

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
31 May 2015, 6:55 pm #1,030

(31 May 2015, 6:54 pm)Dan I hope you didn't literally take it as some sort of "car" service...

To be honest, I wouldn't imagine many would know what a "car working" was.

I didn't  Big Grin

Never of heard of that term before. 


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

citaro5284



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31 May 2015, 7:03 pm #1,031
(31 May 2015, 6:54 pm)Dan I hope you didn't literally take it as some sort of "car" service...

(31 May 2015, 6:55 pm)Michael I didn't  Big Grin

Never of heard of that term before. 

I bet you did Michael...speak the truth, you are amongst friends here  Rolleyes
citaro5284
31 May 2015, 7:03 pm #1,031

(31 May 2015, 6:54 pm)Dan I hope you didn't literally take it as some sort of "car" service...

(31 May 2015, 6:55 pm)Michael I didn't  Big Grin

Never of heard of that term before. 

I bet you did Michael...speak the truth, you are amongst friends here  Rolleyes

31 May 2015, 7:08 pm #1,032
(31 May 2015, 7:03 pm)citaro5284 I bet you did Michael...speak the truth, you are amongst friends here  Rolleyes

Don't tell me, that after all these years of service, you don't know what a car working is, citaro5284!.....*runs away* Big Grin
Edited 31 May 2015, 7:09 pm by R852 PRG.
R852 PRG
31 May 2015, 7:08 pm #1,032

(31 May 2015, 7:03 pm)citaro5284 I bet you did Michael...speak the truth, you are amongst friends here  Rolleyes

Don't tell me, that after all these years of service, you don't know what a car working is, citaro5284!.....*runs away* Big Grin

Andreos1



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31 May 2015, 7:08 pm #1,033
(31 May 2015, 6:15 pm)aureolin You'd be surprised mate. Funnily enough, most systems aren't designed to be ported across to a competitor. Even something that runs opensource, e.g. this forum software (MyBB) and the database engine (MySQL), requires quite a bit of work to convert.

(31 May 2015, 6:34 pm)MurdnunoC Even converting something like odt to docx (or docx to pdf) takes a little bit of time and effort to sort out the formatting.

An office lacky, lots of copying/pasting or translating of relevant data - jobs a good un.

Might take a while, but once the back dated stuff is sorted, it shouldn't take much to keep on top of.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
31 May 2015, 7:08 pm #1,033

(31 May 2015, 6:15 pm)aureolin You'd be surprised mate. Funnily enough, most systems aren't designed to be ported across to a competitor. Even something that runs opensource, e.g. this forum software (MyBB) and the database engine (MySQL), requires quite a bit of work to convert.

(31 May 2015, 6:34 pm)MurdnunoC Even converting something like odt to docx (or docx to pdf) takes a little bit of time and effort to sort out the formatting.

An office lacky, lots of copying/pasting or translating of relevant data - jobs a good un.

Might take a while, but once the back dated stuff is sorted, it shouldn't take much to keep on top of.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

citaro5284



3,233
31 May 2015, 7:10 pm #1,034
(31 May 2015, 7:08 pm)MarcTheA4 Don't tell me, that after all these years of service, you don't know what a car working is, citaro5284!.....*runs away* Big Grin

I do Mr Green, but I am convinced Michael did not...

To be honest I say 'car working' more than 'bus board'.
citaro5284
31 May 2015, 7:10 pm #1,034

(31 May 2015, 7:08 pm)MarcTheA4 Don't tell me, that after all these years of service, you don't know what a car working is, citaro5284!.....*runs away* Big Grin

I do Mr Green, but I am convinced Michael did not...

To be honest I say 'car working' more than 'bus board'.

Michael



19,174
31 May 2015, 7:14 pm #1,035
(31 May 2015, 7:10 pm)citaro5284 I do Mr Green, but I am convinced Michael did not...

To be honest I say 'car working' more than 'bus board'.

Unfortunately, i didn't think it was a car... sorry to disappoint everyone haha  

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
31 May 2015, 7:14 pm #1,035

(31 May 2015, 7:10 pm)citaro5284 I do Mr Green, but I am convinced Michael did not...

To be honest I say 'car working' more than 'bus board'.

Unfortunately, i didn't think it was a car... sorry to disappoint everyone haha  


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

R838PRG



75
31 May 2015, 7:29 pm #1,036
(31 May 2015, 10:39 am)Robert Thats the question  Wink I imagine they would start back rather than going into 5 figures. Just unlike Arriva and other companies, they dont use vacant fleet numbers again and continue from the next highest available fleet number.

The Current Scheme was started in 1975 and is no where near used up 40 years later, so would imagine it would take at least another 40 years to fill.
R838PRG
31 May 2015, 7:29 pm #1,036

(31 May 2015, 10:39 am)Robert Thats the question  Wink I imagine they would start back rather than going into 5 figures. Just unlike Arriva and other companies, they dont use vacant fleet numbers again and continue from the next highest available fleet number.

The Current Scheme was started in 1975 and is no where near used up 40 years later, so would imagine it would take at least another 40 years to fill.

S813 FVK



6,030
31 May 2015, 7:35 pm #1,037
(31 May 2015, 7:29 pm)R838PRG The Current Scheme was started in 1975 and is no where near used up 40 years later, so would imagine it would take at least another 40 years to fill.

I am aware that it will take many more years to complete the system but it will end eventually. It was just a general question to be thought about for the future and not to be answered properly.
S813 FVK
31 May 2015, 7:35 pm #1,037

(31 May 2015, 7:29 pm)R838PRG The Current Scheme was started in 1975 and is no where near used up 40 years later, so would imagine it would take at least another 40 years to fill.

I am aware that it will take many more years to complete the system but it will end eventually. It was just a general question to be thought about for the future and not to be answered properly.

R838PRG



75
31 May 2015, 7:42 pm #1,038
(31 May 2015, 7:29 pm)R838PRG The Current Scheme was started in 1975 and is no where near used up 40 years later, so would imagine it would take at least another 40 years to fill.

NGT 1975 Numbering Scheme - also has the depot allocations at Oct 1976
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R838PRG
31 May 2015, 7:42 pm #1,038

(31 May 2015, 7:29 pm)R838PRG The Current Scheme was started in 1975 and is no where near used up 40 years later, so would imagine it would take at least another 40 years to fill.

NGT 1975 Numbering Scheme - also has the depot allocations at Oct 1976

Attached Files
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NGT.txt
Size 72.14 KB / Downloads 294

31 May 2015, 8:11 pm #1,039
I can't seem to remember route 65, I knew it went from Gateshead but where to?
Jackamcardle
31 May 2015, 8:11 pm #1,039

I can't seem to remember route 65, I knew it went from Gateshead but where to?

MurdnunoC



3,975
31 May 2015, 8:13 pm #1,040
(31 May 2015, 7:42 pm)R838PRG NGT 1975 Numbering Scheme - also has the depot allocations at Oct 1976

Looking through the depot allocations I notice that there were depots located at Consett and Blackhill. A friend and I were actually discussing the old depot at Consett last week. According to my friend, the old Consett depot was located at the end of Sherburn Terrace approximately where Croxdale Autocentre and Ash Grove are now. No reason to doubt him, but is this true? Also, do you know where the Blackhill depot was located?
MurdnunoC
31 May 2015, 8:13 pm #1,040

(31 May 2015, 7:42 pm)R838PRG NGT 1975 Numbering Scheme - also has the depot allocations at Oct 1976

Looking through the depot allocations I notice that there were depots located at Consett and Blackhill. A friend and I were actually discussing the old depot at Consett last week. According to my friend, the old Consett depot was located at the end of Sherburn Terrace approximately where Croxdale Autocentre and Ash Grove are now. No reason to doubt him, but is this true? Also, do you know where the Blackhill depot was located?

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