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Jimmi   18 Oct 2015, 5:21 pm
(18 Oct 2015, 5:09 pm)GX03 SVC wrote It's your Flickr, you can do whatever you want with it. It's up to you. I don't feel like that I should have a say on how you do things. Keep taking great photos and don't worry about views and 'faves' on your photos, life's too short for that.  Smile

EDIT: And for the 'unfollowers', stuff the lot of them. They don't care about what you upload, only their own photos and keeping their 'followers' level high.

I'm probably not looking to do much different but Flickr is awfully time consuming so I like to make sure it's totally worth my time.

Obviously some lost followers will be stuff like accounts being deleted for whatever reason and sometimes people have pressed un follow by accident, if you have the Flickr app it's easily done I've done it once and at least two have pressed the button accidentally, but one of the latest people to un follow me, I decided to return the gesture.
Adrian   18 Oct 2015, 5:26 pm
(18 Oct 2015, 4:30 pm)Jimmi wrote I think I may go back to the larger uploads (possibly around 10 photos per upload) and try and bring back some more variety as there has been an awful lot of Darlington and Durham recently, to be honest I was bored just uploading yesterday's photos.

If anyone has any constructive feedback, I will be interested in hearing it.

Out of interest, why do you personally go for the smaller uploads? I tend to do it towards the Winter only, when I know, that there's perhaps going to be weeks and weeks, without an update on my account. I'd prefer just doing it as batches if there's a good load to do.

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Dan   18 Oct 2015, 5:32 pm
(18 Oct 2015, 5:26 pm)Adrian wrote Out of interest, why do you personally go for the smaller uploads? I tend to do it towards the Winter only, when I know, that there's perhaps going to be weeks and weeks, without an update on my account. I'd prefer just doing it as batches if there's a good load to do.

Quite a few people do it.

I believe it started when Flickr updated the design of their website so that you'd see a large photograph on the homepage with four thumbnails which you could hover over. You could see all five photographs without having to click, which often resulted in people quickly viewing the photographs and favouriting them.

If it's a large upload, people (in my experience) don't tend to go through all of the photos, and this is demonstrated both in terms of views and favourites. At the end of the day - it's your collection, so you shouldn't worry about whether others like your photographs or not. That's certainly my outlook on it - any views, comments and favourites are just a bonus.
Jimmi   18 Oct 2015, 5:36 pm
(18 Oct 2015, 5:26 pm)Adrian wrote Out of interest, why do you personally go for the smaller uploads? I tend to do it towards the Winter only, when I know, that there's perhaps going to be weeks and weeks, without an update on my account. I'd prefer just doing it as batches if there's a good load to do.
Recently it's because I've sometimes been pressed for time. I also decided to trial it to see if it would improve the views etc. It worked in the short term but hasn't really worked in the long term. Also sometimes I only have a few photos to upload each day, didn't take much yesterday that I was totally happy with uploading so that's part of the reason for only uploading five yesterday. I'm probably going to have to do big uploads again in the next week or so with stuff like the GNE changes and new Arriva X66/X67 otherwise it will take forever if I'm only uploading in fives each day.
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Jimmi   25 Oct 2015, 8:47 pm
Does anyone have any suggestions for taking photos at night (in regards to settings and such)?
Davie   27 Oct 2015, 9:08 am
(25 Oct 2015, 8:47 pm)Jimmi wrote Does anyone have any suggestions for taking photos at night (in regards to settings and such)?
If the bus is at a complete stop, you should be able to get a good shot. I took this https://flic.kr/p/Ahfpnh with my mobile phone and it seems to have come out ok
Jimmi   28 Oct 2015, 5:27 pm
(27 Oct 2015, 9:08 am)Davie wrote If the bus is at a complete stop, you should be able to get a good shot. I took this https://flic.kr/p/Ahfpnh with my mobile phone and it seems to have come out ok
I probably have to ensure that my camera is in the correct settings/modes to get the best out of night shots and I am a total dummy when it comes to camera settings, I have only a fortnight until the Durham Lumiere Festival where I will have to take the photos in the dark which is not something I have done before with this camera, all I can really do is get some practice in, so I may try and get some shots around Newcastle one evening next week.
Davie   28 Oct 2015, 5:29 pm
(28 Oct 2015, 5:27 pm)Jimmi wrote I probably have to ensure that my camera is in the correct settings/modes to get the best out of night shots and I am a total dummy when it comes to camera settings, I have only a fortnight until the Durham Lumiere Festival where I will have to take the photos in the dark which is not something I have done before with this camera, all I can really do is get some practice in, so I may try and get some shots around Newcastle one evening next week.
If you can, rest your camera on something stable like a railing and that may help.
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Adrian   28 Oct 2015, 6:12 pm
(25 Oct 2015, 8:47 pm)Jimmi wrote Does anyone have any suggestions for taking photos at night (in regards to settings and such)?

You'll struggle to get moving shots. Best find somewhere with an external light source, or even better, find somewhere that a bus is regularly picking up passengers on a night. When the doors open, on come the interior lights at the front. 

Auto should do it on your Nikon, but if not, just use the shutter priority mode. You'll have to knock your shutter speed right down though, probably to around 1/30 or less. Have a look around for tutorials, but it's going to just take patience and practice...

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Jimmi   28 Oct 2015, 6:19 pm
(28 Oct 2015, 6:12 pm)Adrian wrote You'll struggle to get moving shots. Best find somewhere with an external light source, or even better, find somewhere that a bus is regularly picking up passengers on a night. When the doors open, on come the interior lights at the front. 

Auto should do it on your Nikon, but if not, just use the shutter priority mode. You'll have to knock your shutter speed right down though, probably to around 1/30 or less. Have a look around for tutorials, but it's going to just take patience and practice...

Thanks [emoji2]

I think one night next week I will have a practice at the Metrocentre then move on to Newcastle and try around the Market Street area where the buses will be sat picking up passengers so hopefully I will get the hang of it.
Adrian   28 Oct 2015, 6:32 pm
(28 Oct 2015, 6:19 pm)Jimmi wrote Thanks [emoji2]

I think one night next week I will have a practice at the Metrocentre then move on to Newcastle and try around the Market Street area where the buses will be sat picking up passengers so hopefully I will get the hang of it.

Ensure VR is on, as it'll give you a bit more stability. 

Some photos I took last year at night - https://www.flickr.com/photos/aureolindn...408805211/. Though one of the angel shots, and the Lime shot, were taken with another camera.

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durhambusman   28 Oct 2015, 7:59 pm
Disappointing show from GNE today.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/16042610@N...ed-public/

I dont think he was playing paper scissors stone either.
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Dan   28 Oct 2015, 9:02 pm
(28 Oct 2015, 7:59 pm)durhambusman wrote Disappointing show from GNE today.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/16042610@N...ed-public/

I dont think he was playing paper scissors stone either.

Rock paper scissors, these days, man! [emoji14]

Not something I like to see from any bus drivers - don't usually see it from drivers in the big three to be honest. What's pdiddy's thoughts!haha
pdiddy   28 Oct 2015, 9:17 pm
(28 Oct 2015, 9:02 pm)Dan wrote Rock paper scissors, these days, man! [emoji14]

Not something I like to see from any bus drivers - don't usually see it from drivers in the big three to be honest. What's pdiddy's thoughts!haha

I shall show the rock ?
Jimmi   28 Oct 2015, 9:29 pm
(28 Oct 2015, 9:02 pm)Dan wrote Rock paper scissors, these days, man! [emoji14]

Not something I like to see from any bus drivers - don't usually see it from drivers in the big three to be honest. What's pdiddy's thoughts!haha

Don't know about that, I've been having a fair few recently, not just hand gestures either, I have had others covering faces, pretty sure in this photo: https://flic.kr/p/A2yKJb the driver has pulled the sun visor down to not be photographed (whilst going round an incredibly busy roundabout I might add), it is now getting to the stage where I am starting to think I am now responsible for putting the passengers on-board at risk by the driver hiding their faces whilst going round roundabouts.
nk55   28 Oct 2015, 9:51 pm
I know this may open a can of worms, but there is an issue of privacy under the convention of human rights, if someone does not wish to have their photograph taken whilst undertaking their employment duties, the photographer could find themselves in court!!
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Adrian   28 Oct 2015, 10:09 pm
(28 Oct 2015, 9:51 pm)nk55 wrote I know this may open a can of worms, but there is an issue of privacy under the convention of human rights, if someone does not wish to have their photograph taken whilst undertaking their employment duties, the photographer could find themselves in court!!

Sorry, but that's rubbish. I assume you're referring to article 8 though.

There is no law preventing photography in a public place. I'd imagine that nobody has successfully taken this matter to court, using article 8 of the ECHR or similar, as there'd be associated case-law. Which there isn't. 

If someone doesn't wish to have their photograph taken whilst undertaking their employment duties, then perhaps they're in the wrong job as a driver? Your employer does it for a start, via their CCTV system. It could also be said that operating in a public place, is a hazard of the job...

It is however an offence to make such hand gestures at a photographer, as covered by section 5 of the Public Order Act - Harassment, alarm or distress. Now that really would be a can of worms. Wink

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Venturego   28 Oct 2015, 11:20 pm
(28 Oct 2015, 9:51 pm)nk55 wrote I know this may open a can of worms, but there is an issue of privacy under the convention of human rights, if someone does not wish to have their photograph taken whilst undertaking their employment duties, the photographer could find themselves in court!!

Taking a photo in a public place is Always Legal - No-one has the right to refuse to have their photograph taken in a Public Place or Area (Not even the Police).

Shopping Centres, Airports etc.. are privately owned areas and therefore permission may be needed in these areas. Bus Stations maybe considered similarly private land.
Subject is covered extensively in Photographic Journals.
durhambusman   29 Oct 2015, 8:03 am
Spot on Adrian. Everyone fofeits their right to privacy when they choose to enter a public place. 

Also the driver has indeed comitted a public order offence as well as in my opioion looking incredibly stupid.

I'm a big lad, can look after myself and have been photographing buses for 27 years so its water off a ducks back for me. I feel sorry for the many young lads who persue this hobby who might be intimidated by behaviour from staff.

I always make a point of reporting such incidents as it is unacceptable, this adds to a v from stagecoach sunderland and hunters and a 'shouter/toys out of the pram' from stagecoach south shields. My collection seems to be increasing these days. When i first started nobody cared. There are relatively few incidents with the big 3 as they rightly consider such behaviour as misconduct.

Wonders of modern technology driver was repirted to GNE before the bus would have got to Low Fell!

Off topic slightly but if any members are approached by the police my advice would be 'be nice' tell them what your doing and show them your photos. You dont necessarily have to do all of this but it gets you back to taking photos fastest as it easily demonstrates that you are doing nothing wrong. Ive had four or five of them too. One officer couldnt believe that anyone would take photos in washington, make of that what you will!!!
nk55   29 Oct 2015, 8:20 am
Opinions vary, i stand by my point.
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Venturego   29 Oct 2015, 10:29 am
(29 Oct 2015, 8:03 am)durhambusman wrote Spot on Adrian. Everyone fofeits their right to privacy when they choose to enter a public place. ..............

Also the driver has indeed comitted a public order offence as well as in my opioion looking incredibly stupid. ...............

Off topic slightly but if any members are approached by the police my advice would be 'be nice' tell them what your doing and show them your photos. You dont necessarily have to do all of this but it gets you back to taking photos fastest as it easily demonstrates that you are doing nothing wrong. Ive had four or five of them too. One officer couldnt believe that anyone would take photos in washington, make of that what you will!!!

I Agree - Although no-one has the right to question you taking photographs in a Public Place,
However Bus Stations (if you mean by Washington - Washington Bus Station or Shopping Centre) are Private with granted public access, and photography can be prohibited by the land / property owner.
Cock Robin   29 Oct 2015, 11:20 am
(28 Oct 2015, 10:09 pm)Adrian wrote Sorry, but that's rubbish. I assume you're referring to article 8 though.

There is no law preventing photography in a public place. I'd imagine that nobody has successfully taken this matter to court, using article 8 of the ECHR or similar, as there'd be associated case-law. Which there isn't. 

If someone doesn't wish to have their photograph taken whilst undertaking their employment duties, then perhaps they're in the wrong job as a driver? Your employer does it for a start, via their CCTV system. It could also be said that operating in a public place, is a hazard of the job...

It is however an offence to make such hand gestures at a photographer, as covered by section 5 of the Public Order Act - Harassment, alarm or distress. Now that really would be a can of worms. Wink



Well said Adrian. NK55 doesn't know what he's talking about.
nk55   29 Oct 2015, 11:40 am
(29 Oct 2015, 11:20 am)Cock Robin wrote Well said Adrian. NK55 doesn't know what he's talking about.

Bulls**t pal, read the law, there are numerous reasons why photos cant be taken. If i dont want my photo taken, then as a human being that is my legal right and posting this on a public forum is breaching MY human rights wether your taking a photo on public land or not.
Venturego   29 Oct 2015, 12:25 pm
(29 Oct 2015, 11:40 am)nk55 wrote Bulls**t pal, read the law, there are numerous reasons why photos cant be taken. If i dont want my photo taken, then as a human being that is my legal right and posting this on a public forum is breaching MY human rights wether your taking a photo on public land or not.

Article 8 of HRA : https://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/...amily-life

I would say Article 8 does not apply, as photogaphs are not taken covertly, and the Act has not been breached under any other condition - Unless repeated photographs were being taken of an individual to the point of Harrassment, then this could be dealt with seperately as Harrassment.

It is interesting that even the Police have no power to stop themselves being filmed in a public place:

Following a prolonged campaign, including a series of demonstrations by photographers dealt with by Police Officers and PCSOs, the Metropolitan Police was forced to issue updated legal advice which now confirms that 'Members of the public and the media do not need a permit to film or photograph in public places and police have no power to stop them filming or photographing incidents or police personnel' and that 'The power to stop and search someone no longer exists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photograph...hotography

So, If you've decided to work in the public arena, then you should accept the occasional inconvenience. Some may say a friendly approach to your public service career/job is an advantage!  (And taking a grumpy stand to enthusiasts, begs the question if you're in the right profession ...- or not)
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durhambusman   29 Oct 2015, 1:28 pm
Good post venture. It also states 'respect for privacy when one has a reasonable expectation of privacy' - we all have no right to privacy if we choose to be in a public place.
Cock Robin   29 Oct 2015, 2:22 pm
(29 Oct 2015, 11:40 am)nk55 wrote Bulls**t pal, read the law, there are numerous reasons why photos cant be taken. If i dont want my photo taken, then as a human being that is my legal right and posting this on a public forum is breaching MY human rights wether your taking a photo on public land or not.

I have read the law 'pal'. And while you're on, learn to spell.
Cock Robin   29 Oct 2015, 2:24 pm
(29 Oct 2015, 12:25 pm)Venturego wrote Article 8 of HRA : https://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/...amily-life

I would say Article 8 does not apply, as photogaphs are not taken covertly, and the Act has not been breached under any other condition - Unless repeated photographs were being taken of an individual to the point of Harrassment, then this could be dealt with seperately as Harrassment.

It is interesting that even the Police have no power to stop themselves being filmed in a public place:


So, If you've decided to work in the public arena, then you should accept the occasional inconvenience. Some may say a friendly approach to your public service career/job is an advantage!  (And taking a grumpy stand to enthusiasts, begs the question if you're in the right profession ...- or not)

Well said VentureEgo. He's in the wrong job. Maybe he could work at a concentration camp.
Wellsey18   29 Oct 2015, 9:07 pm
(29 Oct 2015, 2:22 pm)Cock Robin wrote I have read the law 'pal'. And while you're on, learn to spell.

Sorry to get involved, but after a couple of scans through it there appears there is no spelling errors; and that while you're trying to have a serious debate with someone you're picking up on something as childish as spelling. I think the name says it all ?
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Jimmi   31 Oct 2015, 4:50 pm
Couldn't seem to manage any evening shots, all seemed to come out blurry [emoji34]
Kuyoyo   31 Oct 2015, 5:09 pm
(31 Oct 2015, 4:50 pm)Jimmi wrote Couldn't seem to manage any evening shots, all seemed to come out blurry [emoji34]

Does your camera have a 'specials' mode? I use that in 'Night' setting once it gets dark (and 'Sunset' as the light starts to fade).
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