(17 May 2018, 8:15 pm)James101 wrote I suppose the risk of having only one (or even two) change dates per year is may make companies less inclined to take risks on new services, as they’d have to commit to the loss for a long time.

I suppose there has to be a balance between customer stability and not committing commercial suicide. So perhaps operators 'working towards' one change period a year, would be a better way of putting it.

(17 May 2018, 8:15 pm)James101 wrote I suppose the risk of having only one (or even two) change dates per year is may make companies less inclined to take risks on new services, as they’d have to commit to the loss for a long time.

Suppose it depends what their model is.
It may be they give a new service six months already anyway.

The example above was probably very simplistic, but with a plan in place, I am sure changes dont need to be as frequent as they are.

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5419 has been repainted into corporate livery

(17 May 2018, 7:12 pm)Jamie M wrote I do think there has been a few too many changes within the past few months. Fair enough if they're merging routes or whatever finding what works and what doesn't work, but I gather any situation is like this if it involves public as the stakeholder. We're in a huge claim culture right now where people complain about everything and anything, so I can see it may start being a little bit more confusing.

If you run public transport as an Autocratic Dictatorship and blissfully ignored said complaints, you may manage to run services to a sensible time and price -- however, it would no longer be called "Go North East", rather "RyanBus bus" or any other 4th class passenger travel model. Seat or buggy as optional extras on fares and buses anybody?

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The local authorities also have a part to play in regular service changes - that's why Arriva and Stagecoach usually have their service changes at the same time as Go North East.

Service changes in September, each year, are inevitable, due to the fact that Nexus' Miscellaneous Works contracts are only usually offered on a one-year basis. It makes sense to tie a change in schedules together with an existing change made by a local authority, which cannot be avoided.

Since then, there have been other contract revisions:
- October 2017: Durham County Council
- January 2018: Durham County Council
- March 2018: Nexus

The majority of commercial network changes which took place at the same time were relatively minor, excluding the South Tyneside service changes in January, and came at the request of customers or the local authority. Aside from that, any minor timing changes really are to benefit customers in terms of reliability. If there is no PVR impact, any saving made won't be huge, so isn't the company penny-pinching. Traffic volumes and driving habits are constantly evolving in the North East, and it's pointless having a timetable if it's neither realistic nor achievable. Long-term roadworks often have an impact on the reliability of services (Felling Bypass, Killingworth, Norham Road Bridge, to name just a few) where operators have to change their timetables, often adding in additional resource, to provide an achievable timetable which will operate within the traffic commissioner's guidelines of 'on time'.

The re-timings to services being made to Washington's services from this weekend are mainly to allow driver reliefs to move from Concord to The Galleries. The new 10/11 minute frequency on the Connections4 is being introduced to improve reliability - although I agree it's not as easy to understand as a streamlined 10 or 12 minute frequency, it ensures that the same level of service is provided (no PVR reduction) and provides a minute or two here or there which can really help on a tight schedule. This 10/11 minute frequency was introduced to the Saltwell Park services some time ago (service 53 all day, service 54 peak times) and appears to have worked quite well?

The network has remained pretty stable this year compared to previous, in my opinion.

(18 May 2018, 5:13 am)Dan wrote The local authorities also have a part to play in regular service changes - that's why Arriva and Stagecoach usually have their service changes at the same time as Go North East.

Service changes in September, each year, are inevitable, due to the fact that Nexus' Miscellaneous Works contracts are only usually offered on a one-year basis. It makes sense to tie a change in schedules together with an existing change made by a local authority, which cannot be avoided.

Since then, there have been other contract revisions:
- October 2017: Durham County Council
- January 2018: Durham County Council
- March 2018: Nexus

The majority of commercial network changes which took place at the same time were relatively minor, excluding the South Tyneside service changes in January, and came at the request of customers or the local authority. Aside from that, any minor timing changes really are to benefit customers in terms of reliability. If there is no PVR impact, any saving made won't be huge, so isn't the company penny-pinching. Traffic volumes and driving habits are constantly evolving in the North East, and it's pointless having a timetable if it's neither realistic nor achievable. Long-term roadworks often have an impact on the reliability of services (Felling Bypass, Killingworth, Norham Road Bridge, to name just a few) where operators have to change their timetables, often adding in additional resource, to provide an achievable timetable which will operate within the traffic commissioner's guidelines of 'on time'.

The re-timings to services being made to Washington's services from this weekend are mainly to allow driver reliefs to move from Concord to The Galleries. The new 10/11 minute frequency on the Connections4 is being introduced to improve reliability - although I agree it's not as easy to understand as a streamlined 10 or 12 minute frequency, it ensures that the same level of service is provided (no PVR reduction) and provides a minute or two here or there which can really help on a tight schedule. This 10/11 minute frequency was introduced to the Saltwell Park services some time ago (service 53 all day, service 54 peak times) and appears to have worked quite well?

The network has remained pretty stable this year compared to previous, in my opinion.

I agree with the changes, and I hope that soon there's a point where operators concerned arrive at a point where the timetables are perfected and don't change as much as they have in the past. The only real way I can judge if a change is working is if it remains without changes. For example with the 11. I started being interested in the affairs with the 96 that stopped at Gateshead. Then it went to Newcastle, then it got merged with something else and became the 11. There were more 11 trips then, one that terminated at Howdon, that's since disappeared, and the Gateshead side of the 11 on an evening is still as disastrous as the 96 was. It's impossible to remember the times and everybody who gets on the bus must check the Nexus timetable outside the stop (which aren't really that trustworthy).

I agree with the concept of what's going on, and the combining of routes, providing easier marked connections all along. I think it's also close to the point where commercial changes do become temporary or additional trips and become sparse. The Gateshead/Derwentside area has remained reliable and a great service for the past year (except from that pesky 11!!), especially during the evenings too, almost impeccable. Just hope there aren't (m)any plans to cut and paste sections of route around the place that have been cut and paste enough up until now.

Rambling from now on...

It's odd of me being arguing this, since none of my extended family nor friends ever take the bus anywhere due to the expense. If I calculated my commutes by car and by bus, it would end up costing the same in fuel as various tickets, but one would get me there in 30 minutes, another 2 hours or more. The bus was perfect for heading to college and back since all was well connected, but the second you want to be in a specific place at a specific time, the car becomes a lot more desirable. The weekly shop also, I've only ever seen one person do their huge shop on a regular basis then get on the bus with their 7 bags of clutter. People generally go to the shops in their car, and often straight after work, so that's then more potential customers not getting on the bus. I think there's a need of more workers services at peak times to places. Could get 2 birds with one stone by making the evening workers return drop off at shops. Stanley to Lobley Hill to Northumberland Park. Then on the return goes via ASDA and Metrocentre before continuing to Stanley and extending to Plain's Tescos. Obviously needs council support, but I think something like that would start to get people see the practicality in buses that could start more acceptance of long-term car users. Fewer connections and fewer prices without drastically extending times of trips could further sell this. Just about where the people are and where they want to generally go, I guess.

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96 merged with the 17/17A back in 2016,parts of the 17 was chopped up into the 40/41 and also merged with the 80 which is now the 42/42A,on a side note 5261 has a rear ad

On a totally different topic I would love to see the Buses on the 5/50 changed. however cant see it happening for a while. I have travelled on them a lot lately and the rattles and bangs are unbelievable mainly due to the terrible road conditions in South Shields especially around Whiteleas. One driver was shouted at by a passenger on a very busy 5 service the other day and he had done absolutely nothing wrong just the noises on the bus made the ride feel extremely uncomfortable. A lot of the joints on the inner panels need tightening. Would love to see Mercs on or at least see them more on Sundays etc. but I understand the running costs are very high.

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(18 May 2018, 10:49 am)Jamie M wrote I agree with the changes, and I hope that soon there's a point where operators concerned arrive at a point where the timetables are perfected and don't change as much as they have in the past. The only real way I can judge if a change is working is if it remains without changes. For example with the 11. I started being interested in the affairs with the 96 that stopped at Gateshead. Then it went to Newcastle, then it got merged with something else and became the 11. There were more 11 trips then, one that terminated at Howdon, that's since disappeared, and the Gateshead side of the 11 on an evening is still as disastrous as the 96 was. It's impossible to remember the times and everybody who gets on the bus must check the Nexus timetable outside the stop (which aren't really that trustworthy).

I agree with the concept of what's going on, and the combining of routes, providing easier marked connections all along. I think it's also close to the point where commercial changes do become temporary or additional trips and become sparse. The Gateshead/Derwentside area has remained reliable and a great service for the past year (except from that pesky 11!!), especially during the evenings too, almost impeccable. Just hope there aren't (m)any plans to cut and paste sections of route around the place that have been cut and paste enough up until now.

Rambling from now on...

It's odd of me being arguing this, since none of my extended family nor friends ever take the bus anywhere due to the expense. If I calculated my commutes by car and by bus, it would end up costing the same in fuel as various tickets, but one would get me there in 30 minutes, another 2 hours or more. The bus was perfect for heading to college and back since all was well connected, but the second you want to be in a specific place at a specific time, the car becomes a lot more desirable. The weekly shop also, I've only ever seen one person do their huge shop on a regular basis then get on the bus with their 7 bags of clutter. People generally go to the shops in their car, and often straight after work, so that's then more potential customers not getting on the bus. I think there's a need of more workers services at peak times to places. Could get 2 birds with one stone by making the evening workers return drop off at shops. Stanley to Lobley Hill to Northumberland Park. Then on the return goes via ASDA and Metrocentre before continuing to Stanley and extending to Plain's Tescos. Obviously needs council support, but I think something like that would start to get people see the practicality in buses that could start more acceptance of long-term car users. Fewer connections and fewer prices without drastically extending times of trips could further sell this. Just about where the people are and where they want to generally go, I guess.

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It just got extended to Whitley Bay, as there was an 11 like 5 minutes after it that went to Whitley Bay from Wallsend. Made sense really.

(14 May 2018, 8:10 am)Dan wrote 4899's MOT expires on 25/05/2018.

3819's MOT expired on 11/05/2018 - possible reason for the mix-up.

Looks like its been taxed again, now runs out on the 01 May 2019.

(18 May 2018, 6:10 pm)Michael wrote Looks like its been taxed again, now runs out on the 01 May 2019.

MOT and tax are two different things and of course you can get a refund for the tax.

Just to add to my post earlier,5265 also has a rear add

Has work started on the new Go North East depot in Consett?, if so any pictures?

(19 May 2018, 10:26 am)Michael wrote Has work started on the new Go North East depot in Consett?, if so any pictures?

Nope still going through Bureaucracy I believe. Unless it's not where I think it is...

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(19 May 2018, 10:27 am)Jamie M wrote Nope still going through Bureaucracy I believe. Unless it's not where I think it is...

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What bureaucracy?

(19 May 2018, 10:33 pm)Adrian wrote What bureaucracy?

I dunno, whatever goes on behind the scenes of a construction and design process. Not a particularly strong area of mine, I must admit.

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(19 May 2018, 10:50 pm)Jamie M wrote I dunno, whatever goes on behind the scenes of a construction and design process. Not a particularly strong area of mine, I must admit.

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Oh right. Just with you saying that you believe it is still going through bureaucracy, I thought you had some concrete information to share with the forum.

Planning was approved back in November 2017, but I can't recall seeing an update on construction beyond that. Maybe someone locally will be able to confirm whether or not groundwork has started?

(19 May 2018, 11:14 pm)Adrian wrote Oh right. Just with you saying that you believe it is still going through bureaucracy, I thought you had some concrete information to share with the forum.

Planning was approved back in November 2017, but I can't recall seeing an update on construction beyond that. Maybe someone locally will be able to confirm whether or not groundwork has started?

I'll go up to Delves tomorrow armed with my very own picture taking utility to provide evidence for the puzzle that remains...

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Has anymore ex London deckers arrived?

(19 May 2018, 11:14 pm)Adrian wrote Oh right. Just with you saying that you believe it is still going through bureaucracy, I thought you had some concrete information to share with the forum.

Planning was approved back in November 2017, but I can't recall seeing an update on construction beyond that. Maybe someone locally will be able to confirm whether or not groundwork has started?

I can now locally confirm with my detectorist abilities, that all that has been constructed is a field of Daisies and ankle-heighted varieties of grass in a previously excavated rectangular plot. I don't think photographic evidence is in need for this particular revelation, but if they are, I will be happy to supply.

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(20 May 2018, 12:44 pm)Jamie M wrote I can now locally confirm with my detectorist abilities, that all that has been constructed is a field of Daisies and ankle-heighted varieties of grass in a previously excavated rectangular plot. I don't think photographic evidence is in need for this particular revelation, but if they are, I will be happy to supply.

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Once GNE have been given permission to build after the application if/was approved then there have 2 years to start building otherwise a fresh new application has to be submitted. Does anyone know if the application been submitted or approved?.


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(20 May 2018, 1:21 pm)cbma06 wrote Once GNE have been given permission to build after the application if/was approved then there have 2 years to start building otherwise a fresh new application has to be submitted.  Does anyone know if the application been submitted or approved?.


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It was posted further up this thread that planning had been approved back in November 2017.

(20 May 2018, 1:21 pm)cbma06 wrote Once GNE have been given permission to build after the application if/was approved then there have 2 years to start building otherwise a fresh new application has to be submitted.  Does anyone know if the application been submitted or approved?.


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http://newsroom.gonortheast.co.uk/news/g...pot-280457

Approval given and due to open early next year according to that press release.

(20 May 2018, 1:21 pm)cbma06 wrote Once GNE have been given permission to build after the application if/was approved then there have 2 years to start building otherwise a fresh new application has to be submitted.  Does anyone know if the application been submitted or approved?.

All a developer needs to do is to 'break ground' to be considered to have started work.

Jamie M wroteall that has been constructed is a field of Daisies and ankle-heighted varieties of grass in a previously excavated rectangular plot.

(20 May 2018, 2:39 pm)G-CPTN wrote All a developer needs to do is to 'break ground' to be considered to have started work.

This also wasn't present on the latest Google Maps streetview, although I cannot confirm the date since I'm viewing on mobile. There's no signs or fences, just a huge bank of dirt from the flattening stages and since has become overgrown again.

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I see the new MD has been up here today having a bit of a rekkie judging by his twitter.

(20 May 2018, 8:31 pm)citaro5284 wrote I see the new MD has been up here today having a bit of a rekkie, judging by his twitter feed.

A nice picture of the notice regarding the lack of printed timetables too. Tweet alongside it didn't seem all too supportive!

(20 May 2018, 8:35 pm)S813 FVK wrote A nice picture of the notice regarding the lack of printed timetables too. Tweet alongside it didn't seem all too supportive!

About 90% of all printed timetables are probably in me bedroom if I'm going to be honest haha

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(20 May 2018, 8:31 pm)citaro5284 wrote I see the new MD has been up here today having a bit of a rekkie judging by his twitter.

Great to see him very active with the public too, don't know much about what he did at Reading but the way people's comments have gone, he changed the company.

(20 May 2018, 8:35 pm)S813 FVK wrote A nice picture of the notice regarding the lack of printed timetables too. Tweet alongside it didn't seem all too supportive!

Hopefully we'll see a return of them then. An utterly bonkers decision to discontinue them in the first place.

(20 May 2018, 8:35 pm)S813 FVK wrote A nice picture of the notice regarding the lack of printed timetables too. Tweet alongside it didn't seem all too supportive!

Where's that picture, i can't find it haha

Wonder if he went further than Newcastle and Gateshead?