Not complaining Michael just stated an observation

Park Lane bus stands from 1st June, only change is the 9 on stand F and 61 on stand C


Stand A: X6/X7
Stand B: 22/23 (arriva)
Stand C: 61
Stand D: 60
Stand E: 38/38A/38C
Stand F: 9
Stand G: 700 - Roker
Stand H: 700 - Hospital
Stand J: 2/2A/39
Stand K: 8/8A/78/78A
Stand L: 20 - Durham
Stand M: 35/35A (Houghton) X20
Stand N: 55
Stand P: 35/35A - Castletown/Heworth, 135/136
Stand Q: 20 - South Shields
Stand R: No service
Stand S: No service
Stand T: 56
Stand V: 73

I think Go North East are making a mistake by not keeping a service in Hartlepool they could easily have kept a service there if they wanted to. They have played right into Arrivas hands by giving them a monopoly for Hartlepool to East Durham services. If and when Go North East decide to do a service from Hartlepool again they wont find it easy to get passengers back unless they do service to Newcastle again. The 55 never worked because Arriva 23 gets there in half the time. They would have been better the X6 and scrapping the 55 the other year but to late now.

(26 May 2020, 9:17 pm)Michael wrote Ask GNE about the 33, if its a mistake, no point in complaining on here when its not done the official way.

Won't get sorted if its post on here.


Stagecoach will bring the 12 back, just not sure when, i would of thought on the 1st June.

What about Arriva, are there services going back to normal soon?

Yes both back to increased schedules next week too, to be announced very soon I would expect.

Will the 1 be reverting to operating Whitley Bay-Gateshead,the article didnt really mention the 1,just the 1A and 1B

(26 May 2020, 1:25 pm)Andreos1 wrote A faff from anywhere but Durham, Sacriston or Chester.
14 and 50 already served it on a decent enough frequency. The walk from Pity Me isn't too arduous for many getting on/off the 21/X21 as it stands and there's the ANE services too. 

The changes haven't really opened up too many new travelling opportunities to the Arnison that weren't there already.

It adds some speedy competition for the 64, which does the lengthy loop of Newton Hall, though. A lot of people will be glad of that, once we hit autumn. On an even vaguely bad day I can walk faster than the 64 takes to the salutation, if my bags aren't too heavy.

It's access to the arnison centre that stopped me from bothering with any sort of gne weekly or monthly ticket, pre-lockdown

(26 May 2020, 9:55 pm)tyresmoke wrote Yes both back to increased schedules next week too, to be announced very soon I would expect.

That's good, thanks for the info

(26 May 2020, 9:53 pm)col87 wrote I think Go North East are making a mistake by not keeping a service in Hartlepool they could easily have kept a service there if they wanted to.  They have played right into Arrivas hands  by giving them a monopoly for Hartlepool to East Durham services.  If and when Go North East decide to do a service from Hartlepool again they wont find it easy to get passengers back unless they do service to Newcastle again.  The 55 never worked because Arriva 23 gets there in half the time.  They would have been better the X6 and scrapping the 55 the other year but to late now.

I’m not sure the 55 was ever meant to compete for along the full Hartlepool - Sunderland route. They flirted with that with the 30 in 2004/5(?) and it didn’t take off. The competitive corridor is just Hartlepool - Peterlee with the Peterlee - Sunderland being an established corridor going back to the 231/X5.

Perhaps GNE are worried about the impact Horden station is going to have and hedging their bets in routing the Horden circulars that way. I’m surprised as I thought if there was a weak link along the coast corridor it was the 23.

The link into GNE land would have been sorely missed by teenage me who spend a lot of time in the Washington area.  The lost connection to the X9 in Peterlee, which is the best bus link to Newcastle Hartlepool could reasonably hope for, is also a blow.

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The 21 through Arnison is a good move IMO. Recognising retail parks are the biggest areas of footfall growth and acting on it.

(26 May 2020, 7:32 pm)Andreos1 wrote Barley Mow, Portobello, Vigo, Portmeads... All within a few minutes walk from the route of the 25.

The 25 to QE might work OK with the 56 and X1 being fairly frequent from Wrekenton.
Can't see it being much fun on the way back from the QE.

Yet another community loses its direct links to a hospital.

Here here, not forgetting Northside and Eighton Banks as well!

A 15/20 minute journey is now a 45 minute journey, each way. Not particularly pleasant for people who inevitably make that important journey every day, or weekly for appointments. The return journey from the QE, have a nice stand around in Wrekenton for 20 minutes.

I think it’s a really poor change, and I’ve been very vocal about that.

(27 May 2020, 7:42 am)LeeCalder wrote Here here, not forgetting Northside and Eighton Banks as well!

A 15/20 minute journey is now a 45 minute journey, each way. Not particularly pleasant for people who inevitably make that important journey every day, or weekly for appointments. The return journey from the QE, have a nice stand around in Wrekenton for 20 minutes.

I think it’s a really poor change, and I’ve been very vocal about that.

I would guess we're now moving more firmly into the realms of commercial vs local needs (hence Nexus secured services) not that the two are mutually exclusive.

At least those areas retain an option of a service/connection - Eighton Banks is no longer served by a commercial operator for the first time I can remember in well, ever. Though being an affluent area it's not heavy on bus reliance.

(27 May 2020, 7:51 am)Ambassador wrote I would guess we're now moving more firmly into the realms of commercial vs local needs (hence Nexus secured services) not that the two are mutually exclusive.

At least those areas retain an option of a service/connection - Eighton Banks is no longer served by a commercial operator for the first time I can remember in well, ever. Though being an affluent area it's not heavy on bus reliance.

25 still serving Eighton Banks from 1st June....

thinks their is a "taxi bus" that operates around the eighton banks/wreckenton area that could still take patient to the QE as long as they were only ill during the day time and not ill at all on Sundays.

(26 May 2020, 10:01 pm)V514DFT wrote Will the 1 be reverting to operating Whitley Bay-Gateshead,the article didnt really mention the 1,just the 1A and 1B

I'd assume the 1 isn't coming back, and the frequency is going to be reduced to every 20 minutes?

Not sure where you would fit the 1 in unless you are going to make it every 10 minutes combined, and the article says the 95 is permanently withdrawn, so the 1B must be here to stay.

(27 May 2020, 9:11 am)Tom wrote I'd assume the 1 isn't coming back, and the frequency is going to be reduced to every 20 minutes?

Not sure where you would fit the 1 in unless you are going to make it every 10 minutes combined, and the article says the 95 is permanently withdrawn, so the 1B must be here to stay.

1 scrapped. Only 1A and 1B operating. Only thing that's temp is evening frequency

(27 May 2020, 9:15 am)JP6004 wrote 1 scrapped. Only 1A and 1B operating. Only thing that's temp is evening frequency

Makes the naming less confusing I suppose, I've always hated the fact that when they add 'A' and 'B' to a route number they keep the 'standard' route number as well. 
When someone says 'Catch the 1' are they referring to the 1, or are they just shortening the name of the 1A or 1B

It's the 10s that really irritate me, so many completely different routes with the same bloody number!
Imagine getting the 10A thinking you're going to Hexham and ending up in Chopwell

(27 May 2020, 8:09 am)JP6004 wrote 25 still serving Eighton Banks from 1st June....

Meant to add Hospital!

(27 May 2020, 9:30 am)streetdeckfan wrote Makes the naming less confusing I suppose, I've always hated the fact that when they add 'A' and 'B' to a route number they keep the 'standard' route number as well. 
When someone says 'Catch the 1' are they referring to the 1, or are they just shortening the name of the 1A or 1B

It's the 10s that really irritate me, so many completely different routes with the same bloody number!
Imagine getting the 10A thinking you're going to Hexham and ending up in Chopwell

10s aren't confusing. They share a common route for the majority. Plus if you look at destination display, this generally tells you where it's going 

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(27 May 2020, 9:32 am)Ambassador wrote Meant to add Hospital!

Just a hop skip and a jump to catch the 28 

(27 May 2020, 9:33 am)JP6004 wrote 10s aren't confusing. They share a common route for the majority. Plus if you look at destination display, this generally tells you where it's going 

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Just a hop skip and a jump to catch the 28 

I beg to differ! The 10A makes a pretty major detour less than half way in to the 10 route.
Maybe it's just because I'm not a fan of letters being tacked on for the sake of branding *cough* Xlines *cough*

(26 May 2020, 1:38 pm)LeeCalder wrote It would seem as though Barley Mow, Vigo, Portobello, Portmeads and Eighton Banks have now lost their direct link to QE Hospital.

These are large communities, sub-standard response by GNE of "you can easily change at Wrekenton".

A change which will hit the pockets of passengers, who will now have to purchase a Day Ticket or multiple single tickets.

CLS is one of my former workplaces, and off memory when we were 2 separate work units (21/71 & X25) (Unit 2 doing the rest) we obviously done the X25 regularly, I honestly dont remember carrying that many (if any it was very low) passengers from Barley Mow/Portmeads and Eighton Banks to the Q.E, my opinion is it'll not inconvenience the amount of people that some imply.

(27 May 2020, 9:42 am)streetdeckfan wrote I beg to differ! The 10A makes a pretty major detour less than half way in to the 10 route.
Maybe it's just because I'm not a fan of letters being tacked on for the sake of branding *cough* Xlines *cough*

Well its 40mins in it make the detour as you say. But the destination display is a give away...and the route number has remained relatively consistent since 2010. Hardly confusing

Real shame about the 55 - in a lot of cases the writing seemed to be on the wall for the cancelled routes (the 64 and X88 always seemed like basket cases to me, and the V11 seemed to only exist for operational convenience), but not with the 55 which always seemed reasonably busy south of Peterlee. As mentioned the connection with the X9 was always popular, and I also sometimes noticed X1 passengers changing at Houghton-le-Spring.

Don't agree with the issue about the 21 going to Arnison - the X21 is the main GNE service on that corridor and the 21 is really mainly Chester - Newcastle now. It'll be an annoying change for Birtley passengers but that's balanced by the benefits for those around the Arnison Centre who now have direct services to Newcastle and Gateshead. Depending on the exact route taken, there might be an increase in commuter traffic from the quite nice estates around the Abbey Leisure Centre.

I suspect there'll be another round of changes around July/August (when leisure starts to reopen and "non-essential" journeys are likely to be permitted again). I suspect a few of these "permanent" changes are actually more experimental than they appear, and may be reversed quickly.

(27 May 2020, 9:45 am)Stanleyone wrote CLS is one of my former workplaces, and off memory when we were 2 separate work units (21/71 & X25) (Unit 2 doing the rest) we obviously done the X25 regularly, I honestly dont remember carrying that many (if any it was very low) passengers from Barley Mow/Portmeads and Eighton Banks to the Q.E, my opinion is it'll not inconvenience the amount of people that some imply.

Having lived in the area and having family and friends live around there, I know public transport is used to/from the hospital.
If it's not used enough to justify a direct service, then the question needs to be asked why.
I'm not sure removing the link fixes anything at all. 

There's a huge population that had direct access to their local hospital but clearly a proportion used alternative methods, such as car, taxi or patient transport. Expense? Convenience? Something else? 
There was the 721, 725 and 726 and the various incarnations since (plus the 777 for a period) which all served a chunk of the areas mentioned and took people to/from the hospital for work, appointments, visiting or whatever else.
Gradually, those services have gone - yet I struggle to see any proactive or reactive measures to ensure passengers who do make the journey, aren't inconvenienced further or are asked about their travelling habits/routine.

(27 May 2020, 9:46 am)JP6004 wrote Well its 40mins in it make the detour as you say. But the destination display is a give away...and the route number has remained relatively consistent since 2010. Hardly confusing

Didn't the 10A used to be called the 11 though? (or at least a very similar route was called the 11) 
It made a lot more sense to me when I used to use it. 

Since then, I think 11 has been used on another 2 completely different routes

(27 May 2020, 10:10 am)streetdeckfan wrote Didn't the 10A used to be called the 11 though? (or at least a very similar route was called the 11) 
It made a lot more sense to me when I used to use it. 

Since then, I think 11 has been used on another 2 completely different routes

Yes the 11 was more or less the 10B between Blaydon and Prudhoe. The 10X has replaced the link to Newcastle business park at peak times

(27 May 2020, 10:12 am)JP6004 wrote Yes the 11 was more or less the 10B between Blaydon and Prudhoe. The 10X has replaced the link to Newcastle business park at peak times

Was there an 11 that went to Prudhoe? I thought there was just the one that went to Blackhall Mill

(27 May 2020, 10:16 am)streetdeckfan wrote Was there an 11 that went to Prudhoe? I thought there was just the one that went to Blackhall Mill

Im pretty sure it went to Prudhoe, might be wrong. Been that long ago now

(27 May 2020, 10:18 am)JP6004 wrote Im pretty sure it went to Prudhoe, might be wrong. Been that long ago now

There was definitely an 11 that went to Blackhall Mill, I used to get it to school. I vaguely remember it becoming the 10A around the time of the rebrand to TVT, although I could be mistaken

(27 May 2020, 10:23 am)streetdeckfan wrote There was definitely an 11 that went to Blackhall Mill, I used to get it to school. I vaguely remember it becoming the 10A around the time of the rebrand to TVT, although I could be mistaken

Well we know something went to Prudhoe but cant remember what 

(27 May 2020, 9:45 am)Stanleyone wrote CLS is one of my former workplaces, and off memory when we were 2 separate work units (21/71 & X25) (Unit 2 doing the rest) we obviously done the X25 regularly, I honestly dont remember carrying that many (if any it was very low) passengers from Barley Mow/Portmeads and Eighton Banks to the Q.E, my opinion is it'll not inconvenience the amount of people that some imply.

I beg to differ, I use it regularly on a Saturday, as do my aforementioned family members during the week. It's an important link to us, and many others given the response on social media.

There's very few times I've got on a 25 and it hasn't stopped at the QE to let someone off!

(27 May 2020, 10:55 am)LeeCalder wrote I beg to differ, I use it regularly on a Saturday, as do my aforementioned family members during the week. It's an important link to us, and many others given the response on social media.

There's very few times I've got on a 25 and it hasn't stopped at the QE to let someone off!

10 buses an hour from wrekenton to QE. One every 6mins, not a huge inconvenience

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(26 May 2020, 3:15 pm)Michael wrote Ye, rumours was:


Deptford to gain the 8 Streetlites from the Red Kite (confirmed) - personally now, i think these will go on the new X20 service now after a small refurbishment.

6149 - 6154 to Riverside for the Loop

Red Arrow B9's will move to a Newcastle service due to the upgraded Euro 6 engine.


Most/all the Omnidekka's will move to replace the Plaxton President's and the East Lancs Myllennium Vyking's.

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GNE did a post about the changes and not one person has read them....... and asking questions which they'll find in the article

I wonder if X20 be transferred to Chester. Lot of late runnings on southern section