Stagecoach North East: Service Suggestions
Stagecoach North East: Service Suggestions
(16 May 2021, 11:28 am)OrangeArrow49 I don't think (personally) Arriva's 46 is as well known as the QuayCity Q3, although I believe it was established first. As Stagecoach operate two services to Kingston Park (6 and X47) and four services to Gosforth (7, 30, 31 and 35) they seem most logical to serve Great Park, although competition is most welcome. Could Stagecoach extend a service to Great Park?
My suggestion would be run the X47 Eldon Square - Gosforth - Fawdon - Great Park and send the 30 and 31 from City Centre - Cowgate - Kingston Park and extend the 6 to Great Park.
(16 May 2021, 11:28 am)OrangeArrow49 I don't think (personally) Arriva's 46 is as well known as the QuayCity Q3, although I believe it was established first. As Stagecoach operate two services to Kingston Park (6 and X47) and four services to Gosforth (7, 30, 31 and 35) they seem most logical to serve Great Park, although competition is most welcome. Could Stagecoach extend a service to Great Park?
My suggestion would be run the X47 Eldon Square - Gosforth - Fawdon - Great Park and send the 30 and 31 from City Centre - Cowgate - Kingston Park and extend the 6 to Great Park.
(16 May 2021, 6:17 pm)Storx Is this a joke?For the love of God stop making the 42A. Jesus the routes long enough. Then again it would put a decker bus on it
The X47 is a 15 minute bus service giving a quick bus route to Kingston Park hence e'X'press. The 30/31 is a 7.5 minute bus service serving numerous places in Gosforth and stopping at all stops hence the no e'X'press. Also you can't 'extend' a bus route which doesn't terminate there and it's not as if you can just force the 6 to go there without a 15 minute+ diversion.
If any service was to be diverted through the Great Park it should be the 42A (Nexus), it might actually make the route have some sense giving a connection for Dinnington, Seaton Burn etc to a Morrisons. For those wanting a bus to Kingston Park send the Tesco bus (T3) through it's more than enough.
(16 May 2021, 6:17 pm)Storx Is this a joke?For the love of God stop making the 42A. Jesus the routes long enough. Then again it would put a decker bus on it
The X47 is a 15 minute bus service giving a quick bus route to Kingston Park hence e'X'press. The 30/31 is a 7.5 minute bus service serving numerous places in Gosforth and stopping at all stops hence the no e'X'press. Also you can't 'extend' a bus route which doesn't terminate there and it's not as if you can just force the 6 to go there without a 15 minute+ diversion.
If any service was to be diverted through the Great Park it should be the 42A (Nexus), it might actually make the route have some sense giving a connection for Dinnington, Seaton Burn etc to a Morrisons. For those wanting a bus to Kingston Park send the Tesco bus (T3) through it's more than enough.
(16 May 2021, 7:19 pm)Micheal Aaron For the love of God stop making the 42A. Jesus the routes long enough. Then again it would put a decker bus on itI actually see merit in the 42A,you got to remember,it isnt as long as it once was since it got sliced to only go as far as Wallsend,personally i'd introduce the X79 full time,and have that serve Great Park,that way the X77/X78 wouldnt need to be touched, have it as a 30 minute frequency to start with to see how it go's
(16 May 2021, 7:19 pm)Micheal Aaron For the love of God stop making the 42A. Jesus the routes long enough. Then again it would put a decker bus on itI actually see merit in the 42A,you got to remember,it isnt as long as it once was since it got sliced to only go as far as Wallsend,personally i'd introduce the X79 full time,and have that serve Great Park,that way the X77/X78 wouldnt need to be touched, have it as a 30 minute frequency to start with to see how it go's
(16 May 2021, 7:19 pm)Micheal Aaron For the love of God stop making the 42A. Jesus the routes long enough. Then again it would put a decker bus on it
(16 May 2021, 7:19 pm)Micheal Aaron For the love of God stop making the 42A. Jesus the routes long enough. Then again it would put a decker bus on it
(16 May 2021, 7:38 pm)Storx No-one travels end to end so it makes no difference how long the route is. Apart from Hazlerigg, I doubt anyone would complain about the 5 minute diversion to serve somewhere which actually has something at it ie. Morrisons especially for the likes of Dinnington.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/55.05326...55!1m0!3e0
It's not exactly much of a diversion, the 6 diversion suggested was much worse.
(16 May 2021, 7:38 pm)Storx No-one travels end to end so it makes no difference how long the route is. Apart from Hazlerigg, I doubt anyone would complain about the 5 minute diversion to serve somewhere which actually has something at it ie. Morrisons especially for the likes of Dinnington.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/55.05326...55!1m0!3e0
It's not exactly much of a diversion, the 6 diversion suggested was much worse.
(16 May 2021, 8:05 pm)OrangeArrow49 I've said before, I travel end to end from Wallsend to Kingston Park on the 42A, so please kindly refrain from saying "no-one" as that is saying I am no-one. GNE services are very limited in my area, so the 42A is a lifeline sometimes. Extending the service to Great Park makes sense in theory, but Kingston Park is already quite far away from GNE's 'traditional' operating area. Great Park doesn't seem likely for the 42A, which is Nexus contracted and run by GCT on evenings and Sundays currently.
My thoughts were regarding Stagecoach creating a new link, if territories allow it and it would be viable. Morrisons / new shops at Great Park could lead to a new or extended / diverted service, but equally it might not.
Of course the 6 wouldn't be an option, I got confused. X47 and 30/31 re-routed and re-timed could work.
(16 May 2021, 8:05 pm)OrangeArrow49 I've said before, I travel end to end from Wallsend to Kingston Park on the 42A, so please kindly refrain from saying "no-one" as that is saying I am no-one. GNE services are very limited in my area, so the 42A is a lifeline sometimes. Extending the service to Great Park makes sense in theory, but Kingston Park is already quite far away from GNE's 'traditional' operating area. Great Park doesn't seem likely for the 42A, which is Nexus contracted and run by GCT on evenings and Sundays currently.
My thoughts were regarding Stagecoach creating a new link, if territories allow it and it would be viable. Morrisons / new shops at Great Park could lead to a new or extended / diverted service, but equally it might not.
Of course the 6 wouldn't be an option, I got confused. X47 and 30/31 re-routed and re-timed could work.
(16 May 2021, 11:58 am)OrangeArrow49 Ah, yes I forgot about the X40. The 46 and Q3 now serve Great Park. Does the Great Park tender expire or was it permanently awarded to GNE? Stagecoach operating to Great Park in the future would be a great addition, especially with Morrisons and other new shops opening there in 2022/23.
(16 May 2021, 1:05 pm)V514DFT Why stop at just one Express,could one not also be pulled in from the other side of the park,possibly the X79
(16 May 2021, 7:34 pm)V514DFT I actually see merit in the 42A,you got to remember,it isnt as long as it once was since it got sliced to only go as far as Wallsend,personally i'd introduce the X79 full time,and have that serve Great Park,that way the X77/X78 wouldnt need to be touched, have it as a 30 minute frequency to start with to see how it go's
(16 May 2021, 11:58 am)OrangeArrow49 Ah, yes I forgot about the X40. The 46 and Q3 now serve Great Park. Does the Great Park tender expire or was it permanently awarded to GNE? Stagecoach operating to Great Park in the future would be a great addition, especially with Morrisons and other new shops opening there in 2022/23.
(16 May 2021, 1:05 pm)V514DFT Why stop at just one Express,could one not also be pulled in from the other side of the park,possibly the X79
(16 May 2021, 7:34 pm)V514DFT I actually see merit in the 42A,you got to remember,it isnt as long as it once was since it got sliced to only go as far as Wallsend,personally i'd introduce the X79 full time,and have that serve Great Park,that way the X77/X78 wouldnt need to be touched, have it as a 30 minute frequency to start with to see how it go's
(16 May 2021, 8:16 pm)Storx *very very very few, lucky if it's 1 a day then
My theory about the 42A is more the opposite way round and it's that the Great Park is GNE's operating area so you might get people from travelling from it. Can't imagine there'll be many going the opposite direction as Kingston Park already has everything you need.
You're also giving Wide Open and Dinnington and the areas around a connection to the Great Park which arguably are the people who will be the customers using the Morrison's there and there's no way of getting there other than getting the 43/44/45 and changing back onto the Q3 which would be expensive.
Unless the Morrison's is special in some form of way can't imagine there'll be much demand from the West End as you already have Cowgate and West Denton which they can get to already but I could be wrong.
(16 May 2021, 8:16 pm)Storx *very very very few, lucky if it's 1 a day then
My theory about the 42A is more the opposite way round and it's that the Great Park is GNE's operating area so you might get people from travelling from it. Can't imagine there'll be many going the opposite direction as Kingston Park already has everything you need.
You're also giving Wide Open and Dinnington and the areas around a connection to the Great Park which arguably are the people who will be the customers using the Morrison's there and there's no way of getting there other than getting the 43/44/45 and changing back onto the Q3 which would be expensive.
Unless the Morrison's is special in some form of way can't imagine there'll be much demand from the West End as you already have Cowgate and West Denton which they can get to already but I could be wrong.
Are Stagecoach able to extend their network if they want to? Great Park, Team Valley and Washington Galleries extensions would be good new links.
I'd love to see stagecoach out further. I mean granted its a school bus. But seeing a full time stagecoach route through Annitsford into Cramlington would do good for business I think
(17 May 2021, 8:24 pm)GNE6312 Maybe extend the X63 to Cramlington?That would make a way faster connecting to Newcastle rather than the Arriva (if you can call it) X8
(17 May 2021, 8:24 pm)GNE6312 Maybe extend the X63 to Cramlington?That would make a way faster connecting to Newcastle rather than the Arriva (if you can call it) X8
Looking at the Bygone Era, I see the 47 to Kingston Park used to go via Gosforth High Street and Regent Centre. So the X47 could run Eldon Square - Gosforth - Regent Centre - Fawdon - Kingston Park - Great Park. Service X77, X78 and X79 continue via Ponteland Road, send X87 and X88 via Stamfordham Road to Newbiggin Hall. Maybe the X63 could run from Cowgate - Newbiggin Hall - South Gosforth - Killingworth. Stagecoach could get ambitious and run to Washington Galleries, Team Valley and Cramlington. As I'm a Go North East customer, Stagecoach's network makes little difference to me to be honest, but it would be interesting to see them introduce some new extensions.
I know it's never going to happen but if Covid did impact bus services badly.
I'd love to see GNE and Stagecoach work together and see a depot swap with Percy Main going to Stagecoach and South Shields going to GNE with the Q3 going to Stagecoach and the X34 and Western side of the 1 in return going to GNE. E's unsure who'd be better having it - not sure which end is busier.
There's way too much competition in North Tyneside and South Tyneside and merging some corridors would massively help matters especially with the Wallsend / Howdon services being under GNE, Gosforth being all Stagecoach / Arriva and the 42/42A not sticking out like a sore thumb.
Similar in South Shields it would help being able to merge Jarrow services with their respective South Shields routes and bridge connections which don't exist atm as there's 2 operators plus the Metro fighting for a small pool of passengers. You'd be much better with only GNE and letting them built a network with ASDA Boldon and Jarrow acting as hubs with South Shields.
The last thing we need is more express services to Cramlington and to the coast though by Stagecoach.
The E services and the X34 run from Sunderland depot. Besides, I would nt let GNE near the E services especially. These services have been stable for years. If GNE got them, they would be renumbered, rerouted , rebranded countless times!!
(17 May 2021, 11:29 pm)Storx I know it's never going to happen but if Covid did impact bus services badly.Don't forget though. GNE pulled out of South Shields back in 2005 and crucified their network of routes as a result leaving just a handful of services.
I'd love to see GNE and Stagecoach work together and see a depot swap with Percy Main going to Stagecoach and South Shields going to GNE with the Q3 going to Stagecoach and the X34 and Western side of the 1 in return going to GNE. E's unsure who'd be better having it - not sure which end is busier.
There's way too much competition in North Tyneside and South Tyneside and merging some corridors would massively help matters especially with the Wallsend / Howdon services being under GNE, Gosforth being all Stagecoach / Arriva and the 42/42A not sticking out like a sore thumb.
Similar in South Shields it would help being able to merge Jarrow services with their respective South Shields routes and bridge connections which don't exist atm as there's 2 operators plus the Metro fighting for a small pool of passengers. You'd be much better with only GNE and letting them built a network with ASDA Boldon and Jarrow acting as hubs with South Shields.
The last thing we need is more express services to Cramlington and to the coast though by Stagecoach.
(17 May 2021, 11:29 pm)Storx I know it's never going to happen but if Covid did impact bus services badly.Don't forget though. GNE pulled out of South Shields back in 2005 and crucified their network of routes as a result leaving just a handful of services.
I'd love to see GNE and Stagecoach work together and see a depot swap with Percy Main going to Stagecoach and South Shields going to GNE with the Q3 going to Stagecoach and the X34 and Western side of the 1 in return going to GNE. E's unsure who'd be better having it - not sure which end is busier.
There's way too much competition in North Tyneside and South Tyneside and merging some corridors would massively help matters especially with the Wallsend / Howdon services being under GNE, Gosforth being all Stagecoach / Arriva and the 42/42A not sticking out like a sore thumb.
Similar in South Shields it would help being able to merge Jarrow services with their respective South Shields routes and bridge connections which don't exist atm as there's 2 operators plus the Metro fighting for a small pool of passengers. You'd be much better with only GNE and letting them built a network with ASDA Boldon and Jarrow acting as hubs with South Shields.
The last thing we need is more express services to Cramlington and to the coast though by Stagecoach.
