September Service Changes
September Service Changes
(29 Jul 2021, 3:23 pm)L469 YVK So in a nutshell, is the X72 basically a normal 6 between Stanley & Dipton then via Hobson, Sunniside and Gateshead to Newcastle?Its more a cobble together or various other routes, adds in new connections. Think there'll be raised eyebrows when it's actually released.
(29 Jul 2021, 3:28 pm)DH9 Stanleyone said interesting route, so what's the catch?Still being served.
My maths indicates no service for Tanfield Village.
(29 Jul 2021, 3:23 pm)L469 YVK So in a nutshell, is the X72 basically a normal 6 between Stanley & Dipton then via Hobson, Sunniside and Gateshead to Newcastle?Its more a cobble together or various other routes, adds in new connections. Think there'll be raised eyebrows when it's actually released.
(29 Jul 2021, 3:28 pm)DH9 Stanleyone said interesting route, so what's the catch?Still being served.
My maths indicates no service for Tanfield Village.
(29 Jul 2021, 3:28 pm)DeltaMan I think calling what they do with regards service changes a "lazy option" is very disrespectful to be honest.
I'd challenge anyone to come up with a fully costed network with timetables of the area they live in with the same number of vehicles the local operator uses
(29 Jul 2021, 3:28 pm)DeltaMan I think calling what they do with regards service changes a "lazy option" is very disrespectful to be honest.
I'd challenge anyone to come up with a fully costed network with timetables of the area they live in with the same number of vehicles the local operator uses
(29 Jul 2021, 3:25 pm)Andreos1 How many changes are being forced by the CAZ and how many are commercial decisions?Dipton to Durham never lost its direct route to Durham. In terms of craghead to Newcastle the old 43/44/44a route took an absolute age, it was great in terms of shift length, most folk would travel to Stanley and change onto the X30/X31 or via the 78 route to CLS then onto X21.
The 6 has existed in various guises for a number of years and has had very little done with it in terms of promotion, marketing or anything else.
The axing of the entire Newcastle - Durham route and curtailment at Stanley, was only going to have a negative effect, as it reduced the chances of someone in say Craghead making that journey towards Tyneside.
Ditto for any through fares from say Dipton - Durham.
For those passengers who have a choice between a car or two buses, the decision may be heavily weighted towards the car.
I would be very concerned if decisions on services were being made as a result of what has happened over the last 18months.
(29 Jul 2021, 3:25 pm)Andreos1 How many changes are being forced by the CAZ and how many are commercial decisions?Dipton to Durham never lost its direct route to Durham. In terms of craghead to Newcastle the old 43/44/44a route took an absolute age, it was great in terms of shift length, most folk would travel to Stanley and change onto the X30/X31 or via the 78 route to CLS then onto X21.
The 6 has existed in various guises for a number of years and has had very little done with it in terms of promotion, marketing or anything else.
The axing of the entire Newcastle - Durham route and curtailment at Stanley, was only going to have a negative effect, as it reduced the chances of someone in say Craghead making that journey towards Tyneside.
Ditto for any through fares from say Dipton - Durham.
For those passengers who have a choice between a car or two buses, the decision may be heavily weighted towards the car.
I would be very concerned if decisions on services were being made as a result of what has happened over the last 18months.
(29 Jul 2021, 3:40 pm)Stanleyone Dipton to Durham never lost its direct route to Durham. In terms of craghead to Newcastle the old 43/44/44a route took an absolute age, it was great in terms of shift length, most folk would travel to Stanley and change onto the X30/X31 or via the 78 route to CLS then onto X21.
Things have changed with home working and businesses closing down, so unfortunately these changes will partly be down to the last 18 months.
(29 Jul 2021, 3:40 pm)Stanleyone Dipton to Durham never lost its direct route to Durham. In terms of craghead to Newcastle the old 43/44/44a route took an absolute age, it was great in terms of shift length, most folk would travel to Stanley and change onto the X30/X31 or via the 78 route to CLS then onto X21.
Things have changed with home working and businesses closing down, so unfortunately these changes will partly be down to the last 18 months.
(29 Jul 2021, 3:39 pm)Andreos1 Where's the creativity?
Where do people in Annfield Plain or Catchgate work and spend their spare time?
Where are the links that take those people to those places, in an efficient, reliable and cost effective manner?
Or is it a case of the operator re-numbering what has existed for years, deciding where it will operate and at what times - to suit their needs?
If they are operating services which are innovative and creative, are taking the residents of Annfield Plain and Catchgate to their places of work and leisure and are offering a service which is reliable, efficient and cost effective, then I will apologise profusely.
If it's the latter, then I'm not sure 'lazy option' is disrespectful at all.
(29 Jul 2021, 3:39 pm)Andreos1 Where's the creativity?
Where do people in Annfield Plain or Catchgate work and spend their spare time?
Where are the links that take those people to those places, in an efficient, reliable and cost effective manner?
Or is it a case of the operator re-numbering what has existed for years, deciding where it will operate and at what times - to suit their needs?
If they are operating services which are innovative and creative, are taking the residents of Annfield Plain and Catchgate to their places of work and leisure and are offering a service which is reliable, efficient and cost effective, then I will apologise profusely.
If it's the latter, then I'm not sure 'lazy option' is disrespectful at all.
(29 Jul 2021, 3:46 pm)Andreos1 Dunno about you, but I've not got a clue what is happening regarding covid19 and the future of homeworking/office working.I did say "partly". No doubt there'll be other data available to commercial and has there been input from local authorities on these changes?....on that I've no idea.
To base a commercial decision on something that has existed for 18months and might end next month (seeing homeworking end and retail pick back up at the Metrocentre), seems very short sighted.
I struggle to see how a commercial team can decide a route is no longer viable, because of the last 18months and totally skewed data.
They were certainly keen to have the Stanley to Metrocentre market sewn up when Stanley Taxi's had their MC Solo's.
(29 Jul 2021, 3:46 pm)Andreos1 Dunno about you, but I've not got a clue what is happening regarding covid19 and the future of homeworking/office working.I did say "partly". No doubt there'll be other data available to commercial and has there been input from local authorities on these changes?....on that I've no idea.
To base a commercial decision on something that has existed for 18months and might end next month (seeing homeworking end and retail pick back up at the Metrocentre), seems very short sighted.
I struggle to see how a commercial team can decide a route is no longer viable, because of the last 18months and totally skewed data.
They were certainly keen to have the Stanley to Metrocentre market sewn up when Stanley Taxi's had their MC Solo's.
(29 Jul 2021, 3:01 pm)deanmachine The changes in Sunderland at least seem mainly positive, I'm usually quite critical of the cuts in Sunderland but happy to see it go the other way this time. You'd hope so with the Sunderland District brand introduced too. Ditto with South Tyneside, positive stuff from what I've seen so far.
(29 Jul 2021, 3:01 pm)deanmachine The changes in Sunderland at least seem mainly positive, I'm usually quite critical of the cuts in Sunderland but happy to see it go the other way this time. You'd hope so with the Sunderland District brand introduced too. Ditto with South Tyneside, positive stuff from what I've seen so far.
(29 Jul 2021, 4:00 pm)DeltaMan So what are your innovate and create solutions within a sensible budget for the good folk of Annfield Plain and Catchgate if the current or proposed network isn't good enough?
(29 Jul 2021, 4:06 pm)Stanleyone I did say "partly". No doubt there'll be other data available to commercial and has there been input from local authorities on these changes?....on that I've no idea.
(29 Jul 2021, 4:00 pm)DeltaMan So what are your innovate and create solutions within a sensible budget for the good folk of Annfield Plain and Catchgate if the current or proposed network isn't good enough?
(29 Jul 2021, 4:06 pm)Stanleyone I did say "partly". No doubt there'll be other data available to commercial and has there been input from local authorities on these changes?....on that I've no idea.
As far as anyone's aware will anything replace the 1B Section through Lobley Hill.
(29 Jul 2021, 4:39 pm)V514DFT Im sure the 96 was mentioned somewhere
(28 Jul 2021, 9:01 pm)Washingtonian Has anyone heard anything of any changes to services in the Washington area?
(28 Jul 2021, 9:01 pm)Washingtonian Has anyone heard anything of any changes to services in the Washington area?
Where are the extra StreetDecks going to come from for the X1? Only thing I can think is a reduction to every 15 mins from every 12 mins perhaps? Likely wrong no doubt.
26 is an interesting one. Will that likely mean 6043-48 ending up on the 25? (continue on fleet changes thread if needed)
(29 Jul 2021, 5:18 pm)L469 YVK Where are the extra StreetDecks going to come from for the X1? Only thing I can think is a reduction to every 15 mins from every 12 mins perhaps? Likely wrong no doubt.
(29 Jul 2021, 5:19 pm)V514DFT I'll wait and see what GNE say,might give me a better understandingMG has done a fb session and it'll be next week possibly thurs/Fri when they are released to the public giving 4 clear weeks.
X20 to serve Doxford Int & 55 Withdrawn Maybe (Would be replaced between Houghton & Peterlee by X1)