Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
I've been thinking about this but could GNE not get away with reducing the Cobalt & Coast PVR to 15x from 16x if they followed the example of Arriva's revised 53 & 54 by not serving the Cobalt Bus Link (Silver Fox Way & Quicksilver Way) and instead just run the 309 straight down The Silverlink North?
Would mean that the 309, 310, 311 could all go standalone and run with the following max driving hours during the day also taking into account time spent in the van for a remote changeover.
- 309 - 4hr 40m (2x round trips)
- 310 - 5hr (okay not 5hr but if driver picked up bus ex North Shields at Verne Road and was relieved ex Newcastle towards North Shields, would bring the driving hours at around 4hr 30m)
- 311 - 4hr (4x round trips)
Obviously I know the 309 was a bit tight during the covid recovery timetable before they all interworked again but it would be another bus out of the PVR with only a minor route change.
Just seen someone mention the 58 and it got me thinking that they should change the 19 to serve the route as it appears to be having timetabling problems as it's too tight.
By doing the following route:
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/East+Har...b1!1m0!3e0
It would give New Hartley an hourly link rather than it's 2 a day service and a service towards North Shields / Metro with the bonus of giving the 19 getting some padding by 7 minutes or so.
They're both contracted services now anyway seems better use of the bus imo rather than them duplicating each other from East Cramlington to Cramlington give or take a minute and the pointless Beacon Hill section, the X9 is a 5 minute walk max.
(04 Apr 2022, 4:53 pm)Storx Just seen someone mention the 58 and it got me thinking that they should change the 19 to serve the route as it appears to be having timetabling problems as it's too tight.What would the timings be like on this as oppose to now?
By doing the following route:
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/East+Har...b1!1m0!3e0
It would give New Hartley an hourly link rather than it's 2 a day service and a service towards North Shields / Metro with the bonus of giving the 19 getting some padding by 7 minutes or so.
They're both contracted services now anyway seems better use of the bus imo rather than them duplicating each other from East Cramlington to Cramlington give or take a minute and the pointless Beacon Hill section, the X9 is a 5 minute walk max.
(04 Apr 2022, 4:53 pm)Storx Just seen someone mention the 58 and it got me thinking that they should change the 19 to serve the route as it appears to be having timetabling problems as it's too tight.What would the timings be like on this as oppose to now?
By doing the following route:
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/East+Har...b1!1m0!3e0
It would give New Hartley an hourly link rather than it's 2 a day service and a service towards North Shields / Metro with the bonus of giving the 19 getting some padding by 7 minutes or so.
They're both contracted services now anyway seems better use of the bus imo rather than them duplicating each other from East Cramlington to Cramlington give or take a minute and the pointless Beacon Hill section, the X9 is a 5 minute walk max.
(04 Apr 2022, 5:33 pm)ASX_Terranova What would the timings be like on this as oppose to now?
Also talking about contracts, i was thinking the 515 & Maybe the TB529 could be replaced by extending the 58.
(04 Apr 2022, 5:33 pm)ASX_Terranova What would the timings be like on this as oppose to now?
Also talking about contracts, i was thinking the 515 & Maybe the TB529 could be replaced by extending the 58.
(04 Apr 2022, 5:33 pm)ASX_Terranova What would the timings be like on this as oppose to now?The roads along st John's avenue and toner avenue where the TB529 operate in Hebburn are unsuitable for a bus.
Also talking about contracts, i was thinking the 515 & Maybe the TB529 could be replaced by extending the 58.
(04 Apr 2022, 5:33 pm)ASX_Terranova What would the timings be like on this as oppose to now?The roads along st John's avenue and toner avenue where the TB529 operate in Hebburn are unsuitable for a bus.
Also talking about contracts, i was thinking the 515 & Maybe the TB529 could be replaced by extending the 58.
Problem with 309 310 311 the timings are pretty much accurate on the core corridor however the timings relate to traffic congestion on the Coast Road / Cradlewell / Corner House area
Imo leave the routes going through Silverlink and Cobalt
It would be criminal to change this current plan and also its not just the route you would effect but the branding Cobalt and Coast
GNE has the monopoly on commuting from Newcastle to Cobalt and Silverlink over SNE 22 service
Cutting a service pushes people to use cars and not buses
Which is the opposite idea of operating a bus service
I sometimes can't decide if people are being like thatcher and wanting to cut services and jobs or actually help the industry and give them ideas to run a service!
The X39 runs at core times to provide an Express service but doesn't warrant a regular service
It's crazy to think bus enthusiasts want to cut services and cut routes and chop key working sites out of a bus route to save one bus an hour operating
Shouldn't bus enthusiasts be looking at adding buses and routes and serve locations
Once you cut a service it never comes back ever!
Look at routes from the 80s and 90s we have never seen them back
With the X11 returning for the summer season, i wonder if it could be extended to serve sunderland interchange adding an extra stop for passengers without having to travel to washington to have a day out, it would only add 15 mins to the journey and would create a new link
(05 Apr 2022, 6:44 am)N1cholas With the X11 returning for the summer season, i wonder if it could be extended to serve sunderland interchange adding an extra stop for passengers without having to travel to washington to have a day out, it would only add 15 mins to the journey and would create a new link
(05 Apr 2022, 6:44 am)N1cholas With the X11 returning for the summer season, i wonder if it could be extended to serve sunderland interchange adding an extra stop for passengers without having to travel to washington to have a day out, it would only add 15 mins to the journey and would create a new link
(05 Apr 2022, 6:44 am)N1cholas With the X11 returning for the summer season, i wonder if it could be extended to serve sunderland interchange adding an extra stop for passengers without having to travel to washington to have a day out, it would only add 15 mins to the journey and would create a new linkWould probs add more than 15 minutes into the equation when you also factor in the fact the service calls at Washington Galleries (or at least it did last year). Be easier to just add a stop at Dalton Park where passengers could catch the 61/62/X6 from Sunderland (could also enable a connection from Durham on service 65), this would only add around 5 minutes into the schedule.
(05 Apr 2022, 6:44 am)N1cholas With the X11 returning for the summer season, i wonder if it could be extended to serve sunderland interchange adding an extra stop for passengers without having to travel to washington to have a day out, it would only add 15 mins to the journey and would create a new linkWould probs add more than 15 minutes into the equation when you also factor in the fact the service calls at Washington Galleries (or at least it did last year). Be easier to just add a stop at Dalton Park where passengers could catch the 61/62/X6 from Sunderland (could also enable a connection from Durham on service 65), this would only add around 5 minutes into the schedule.
Wonder if there would be a better case for flipping Sunderland for Washington. It's a much larger area and has much more connections including a Metro connection. Most people connecting at Washington could easily get to Sunderland / Gateshead or Peterlee depending where they are.
Driving wise it's only 5 or minutes difference rather than a 15 minute extension.
(05 Apr 2022, 1:46 pm)Storx Wonder if there would be a better case for flipping Sunderland for Washington. It's a much larger area and has much more connections including a Metro connection. Most people connecting at Washington could easily get to Sunderland / Gateshead or Peterlee depending where they are.Or people in Sunderland could get the train...
Driving wise it's only 5 or minutes difference rather than a 15 minute extension.
(05 Apr 2022, 1:46 pm)Storx Wonder if there would be a better case for flipping Sunderland for Washington. It's a much larger area and has much more connections including a Metro connection. Most people connecting at Washington could easily get to Sunderland / Gateshead or Peterlee depending where they are.Or people in Sunderland could get the train...
Driving wise it's only 5 or minutes difference rather than a 15 minute extension.
(05 Apr 2022, 1:46 pm)Storx Wonder if there would be a better case for flipping Sunderland for Washington. It's a much larger area and has much more connections including a Metro connection. Most people connecting at Washington could easily get to Sunderland / Gateshead or Peterlee depending where they are.
Driving wise it's only 5 or minutes difference rather than a 15 minute extension.
(05 Apr 2022, 1:46 pm)Storx Wonder if there would be a better case for flipping Sunderland for Washington. It's a much larger area and has much more connections including a Metro connection. Most people connecting at Washington could easily get to Sunderland / Gateshead or Peterlee depending where they are.
Driving wise it's only 5 or minutes difference rather than a 15 minute extension.
(05 Apr 2022, 3:22 pm)Malarkey For me I think it would be more beneficial to have two separate services which cover the local areas for example:Or for easiness call your X11A the X12, saves the classic 'that would cause confusion' line from coming out
X11 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Chester-Le-Street - Durham - Darlington - Whitby - Scarborough
X11A - Washington Galleries - Sunderland - Peterlee - Billingham - Stockton - Middlesbrough - Whitby - Scarborough
(05 Apr 2022, 3:22 pm)Malarkey For me I think it would be more beneficial to have two separate services which cover the local areas for example:Or for easiness call your X11A the X12, saves the classic 'that would cause confusion' line from coming out
X11 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Chester-Le-Street - Durham - Darlington - Whitby - Scarborough
X11A - Washington Galleries - Sunderland - Peterlee - Billingham - Stockton - Middlesbrough - Whitby - Scarborough
(05 Apr 2022, 3:22 pm)Malarkey For me I think it would be more beneficial to have two separate services which cover the local areas for example:
X11 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Chester-Le-Street - Durham - Darlington - Whitby - Scarborough
X11A - Washington Galleries - Sunderland - Peterlee - Billingham - Stockton - Middlesbrough - Whitby - Scarborough
(05 Apr 2022, 3:32 pm)V514DFT Or for easiness call your X11A the X12, saves the classic 'that would cause confusion' line from coming out
(05 Apr 2022, 3:22 pm)Malarkey For me I think it would be more beneficial to have two separate services which cover the local areas for example:
X11 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Chester-Le-Street - Durham - Darlington - Whitby - Scarborough
X11A - Washington Galleries - Sunderland - Peterlee - Billingham - Stockton - Middlesbrough - Whitby - Scarborough
(05 Apr 2022, 3:32 pm)V514DFT Or for easiness call your X11A the X12, saves the classic 'that would cause confusion' line from coming out
(05 Apr 2022, 4:01 pm)Storx Ngl I was thinking the same thing but not sure there's the demand though. Mind I'd change it around so it's
X11 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Sunderland - Peterlee - Billingham - Middlesbrough - Whitby - Scarborough
X11A - Washington - Chester Le Street - Durham - Sedgefield - Stockton - Whitby - Scarborough
The Newcastle route there from Newcastle would take hours via Darlington and I can't see them using it anyway as they could just do X66/X67 -> X93 on Arriva Day Tickets. The route the X12 takes omitting Coxhoe is by far the most sensible route imo.
The X12 is worse as you'd have two X12's in Middlesbrough like.
(05 Apr 2022, 4:01 pm)Storx Ngl I was thinking the same thing but not sure there's the demand though. Mind I'd change it around so it's
X11 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Sunderland - Peterlee - Billingham - Middlesbrough - Whitby - Scarborough
X11A - Washington - Chester Le Street - Durham - Sedgefield - Stockton - Whitby - Scarborough
The Newcastle route there from Newcastle would take hours via Darlington and I can't see them using it anyway as they could just do X66/X67 -> X93 on Arriva Day Tickets. The route the X12 takes omitting Coxhoe is by far the most sensible route imo.
The X12 is worse as you'd have two X12's in Middlesbrough like.
(05 Apr 2022, 4:40 pm)Malarkey There was definitely demand from Washington last summer as on numerous occasions a second vehicle had to be provided to avoid leaving passengers behind, I do think this needs to be handled better this year if the X11 does return by having a vehicle on Standby at The Galleries rather than coming from Riverside dead an hour later.Why omit Gateshead? Bus woukd have to drive past interchange anyway. X11 is fine exactly the the way it is, don't know ow why people suggesting it to to Sunderland when they have direct train
I'd also potentially omit Gateshead given connections from the X10 at Peterlee/Stockton and Middlesbrough thus speeding up the Newcastle to Sunderland section to operate similarly to that of Megabus/NatEx Services.
(05 Apr 2022, 4:40 pm)Malarkey There was definitely demand from Washington last summer as on numerous occasions a second vehicle had to be provided to avoid leaving passengers behind, I do think this needs to be handled better this year if the X11 does return by having a vehicle on Standby at The Galleries rather than coming from Riverside dead an hour later.Why omit Gateshead? Bus woukd have to drive past interchange anyway. X11 is fine exactly the the way it is, don't know ow why people suggesting it to to Sunderland when they have direct train
I'd also potentially omit Gateshead given connections from the X10 at Peterlee/Stockton and Middlesbrough thus speeding up the Newcastle to Sunderland section to operate similarly to that of Megabus/NatEx Services.
