(11 Oct 2021, 6:13 pm)Keeiajs wrote I mean I would say 20/X21/65/16/16A are all pretty major routes aswell. With the X20/X22/50 being behind.

The 20 mostly spends it's time in Sunderland so doesn't really benefit Durham much and doesn't touch any high emittion areas ie. Tyne Bridge and is probably too long for electric buses (route wise).

X20 maybe but it's not that busy really.

X21 will be too long for electric buses. 

50/65 are both secondary.

16/16A maybe but it's no different to the X5/X15 really and the second is xlines so is more premium.

It's not really about what's best but which routes are most attractive for funding. They could put a bid in to do all the Solos in the fleet but there's not a cat in hell chance they'd get the funding. There has to be a case about it and I'm guessing they're focusing on the Newcastle LEZ and a corridor in Durham (outside hospital maybe?)

(12 Oct 2021, 8:03 am)Storx wrote The 20 mostly spends it's time in Sunderland so doesn't really benefit Durham much and doesn't touch any high emittion areas ie. Tyne Bridge and is probably too long for electric buses (route wise).

X20 maybe but it's not that busy really.

X21 will be too long for electric buses. 

50/65 are both secondary.

16/16A maybe but it's no different to the X5/X15 really and the second is xlines so is more premium.

It's not really about what's best but which routes are most attractive for funding. They could put a bid in to do all the Solos in the fleet but there's not a cat in hell chance they'd get the funding. There has to be a case about it and I'm guessing they're focusing on the Newcastle LEZ and a corridor in Durham (outside hospital maybe?)

I don't think we'll see the X21 get electrified for a very long time. The only way I could see it going electric any time soon is if GNE invests in some hydrogen StreetDecks for it, and I don't think they'd want to invest in the infrastructure unless they go all in on Hydrogen

I’d like to see the 6 getting double decks at some stage, not new ones but cascades from somewhere else. It stands out as the only service between Newcastle and the MetroCentre that isn’t double deck now, and also the only single deck service in the mix towards Stanley

Connected with this I’d like to see the 12 back standalone with the Blaydon Racers brand reintroduced

(18 Oct 2021, 11:18 am)Wybus wrote I’d like to see the 6 getting double decks at some stage, not new ones but cascades from somewhere else. It stands out as the only service between Newcastle and the MetroCentre that isn’t double deck now, and also the only single deck service in the mix towards Stanley

Connected with this I’d like to see the 12 back standalone with the Blaydon Racers brand reintroduced

Dan has mentioned previously that the 6 and the 12 are unlikely to be made standalone as it allows driver change-overs to take place at the Metrocentre rather than have a shuttle to Blaydon.

(18 Oct 2021, 11:39 am)peter wrote Dan has mentioned previously that the 6 and the 12 are unlikely to be made standalone as it allows driver change-overs to take place at the Metrocentre rather than have a shuttle to Blaydon.

If the 6 warranted deckers and ticketing data supported it, the 25 could be dropped to hourly between Langley Park & Chester Le Street with it continuing half hourly to Newcastle & interworking with the 6.

Most changeovers done at Chester Le Street with a small number at Stanley also bearing in mind that CLS is the closest depot to Stanley.

(18 Oct 2021, 11:39 am)peter wrote Dan has mentioned previously that the 6 and the 12 are unlikely to be made standalone as it allows driver change-overs to take place at the Metrocentre rather than have a shuttle to Blaydon.

This is what happens elsewhere on the network though - the 65 has no depot easily located at either side on the route. So Peterlee presumably have a shuttle to allow changeovers and the same with the 204. And it’s a much shorter drive from Riverside Depot to Blaydon than what it is from Peterlee Depot to Murton or Sherburn Hill to allow changes on those routes. So it surely could happen. 

Also the 49/12 both being every 15 minutes. I’m surprised interworking those two at Winlaton hasn’t happened, I know there was an issue of cross tickets/circular around Winlaton but surely if the 12 did one way and the 49 the other then passengers could still travel through onto the 49 to still maintain cross connections.

(19 Oct 2021, 12:42 am)Drifter60 wrote This is what happens elsewhere on the network though - the 65 has no depot easily located at either side on the route. So Peterlee presumably have a shuttle to allow changeovers and the same with the 204. And it’s a much shorter drive from Riverside Depot to Blaydon than what it is from Peterlee Depot to Murton or Sherburn Hill to allow changes on those routes. So it surely could happen. 

Also the 49/12 both being every 15 minutes. I’m surprised interworking those two at Winlaton hasn’t happened, I know there was an issue of cross tickets/circular around Winlaton but surely if the 12 did one way and the 49 the other then passengers could still travel through onto the 49 to still maintain cross connections.

Really what they could do it make Seaham a driver change over point with the 60 or 62 depending on timetabling and just tell the drivers to stay with the buses parked up till the driver had arrived to take over.

(19 Oct 2021, 4:23 pm)Keeiajs wrote Really what they could do it make Seaham a driver change over point with the 60 or 62 depending on timetabling and just tell the drivers to stay with the buses parked up till the driver had arrived to take over.

Go North East did this approx 10-15 years ago and it did not work because if the 60 was delayed due to a number of factors then the 65/154/265 ended up running late as well as the 60.  Hetton or Seaham for changeovers for Peterlee drivers is much easier as then only one service is affected if late running instead of 2.

(19 Oct 2021, 5:50 pm)BFK wrote Go North East did this approx 10-15 years ago and it did not work because if the 60 was delayed due to a number of factors then the 65/154/265 ended up running late as well as the 60.  Hetton or Seaham for changeovers for Peterlee drivers is much easier as then only one service is affected if late running instead of 2.

Now the 65 is the late running one, But I think Seaham should turn into a interchange point really, it is the best place tbh on the 65 route.

(19 Oct 2021, 12:42 am)Drifter60 wrote This is what happens elsewhere on the network though - the 65 has no depot easily located at either side on the route. So Peterlee presumably have a shuttle to allow changeovers and the same with the 204. And it’s a much shorter drive from Riverside Depot to Blaydon than what it is from Peterlee Depot to Murton or Sherburn Hill to allow changes on those routes. So it surely could happen. 

Also the 49/12 both being every 15 minutes. I’m surprised interworking those two at Winlaton hasn’t happened, I know there was an issue of cross tickets/circular around Winlaton but surely if the 12 did one way and the 49 the other then passengers could still travel through onto the 49 to still maintain cross connections.

I doubt the 12/12A and 49/49A will interwork (unless Evenings & Sundays) due to Euro 6 and ULEZ.

(19 Oct 2021, 7:02 pm)L469 YVK wrote I doubt the 12/12A and 49/49A will interwork (unless Evenings & Sundays) due to Euro 6 and ULEZ.

Winlaton wanderer

(19 Oct 2021, 12:42 am)Drifter60 wrote This is what happens elsewhere on the network though - the 65 has no depot easily located at either side on the route. So Peterlee presumably have a shuttle to allow changeovers and the same with the 204. And it’s a much shorter drive from Riverside Depot to Blaydon than what it is from Peterlee Depot to Murton or Sherburn Hill to allow changes on those routes. So it surely could happen. 

Also the 49/12 both being every 15 minutes. I’m surprised interworking those two at Winlaton hasn’t happened, I know there was an issue of cross tickets/circular around Winlaton but surely if the 12 did one way and the 49 the other then passengers could still travel through onto the 49 to still maintain cross connections.

I think the interworking of the 6 / 12 is more about for the drivers taking breaks at the Metro Centre rather than getting the drivers onto the buses.

Assume the 65 and 204 drivers can take a break in Durham. 

The 12 and 49 would increase the PVR of Euro 6 buses dragging the 49 into it. It probably would make sense without the LEZ though.

Not sure I agree with deckers on the 6 though it really doesn't need them and decreasing the 25 for them is a bad idea.

(19 Oct 2021, 7:15 pm)Storx wrote I think the interworking of the 6 / 12 is more about for the drivers taking breaks at the Metro Centre rather than getting the drivers onto the buses.

Assume the 65 and 204 drivers can take a break in Durham. 

The 12 and 49 would increase the PVR of Euro 6 buses dragging the 49 into it. It probably would make sense without the LEZ though.

Not sure I agree with deckers on the 6 though it really doesn't need them and decreasing the 25 for them is a bad idea.

65/204 change over at Murton (not sure if its Dalton Park), and Sherburn.

(19 Oct 2021, 7:15 pm)Storx wrote Not sure I agree with deckers on the 6 though it really doesn't need them and decreasing the 25 for them is a bad idea.

Saying that, it would only reduce the PVR by 1x vehicle so not worth it. Not forgetting when traffic is bad around the MetroCentre, the potential of lost mileage on both routes.

What is the PVR of the 20?
Are the PB streetlites Euro 6?

(19 Oct 2021, 10:18 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote What is the PVR of the 20?
Are the PB streetlites Euro 6?

There are euro 5




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Well thats annoying, was going to suggest buying new buses for the 20 then cascading the streetlites onto the 6, 12/12A & 28/28A.

(20 Oct 2021, 9:58 am)ASX_Terranova wrote Well thats annoying, was going to suggest buying new buses for the 20 then cascading the streetlites onto the 6, 12/12A & 28/28A.

The Streetlites from the 49/49A are going onto the 6, 12/12A with the Red Kite ones going to Gateshead for the 49/49A. They don't need the Prince Bishop ones. Versa's are on the 28/28A for the forseeable future they got Euro 6 mods. Unsure on the 25 or 57, could be either Streetlites or Versa's, depends which way round they do it but it's pretty much nailed on the next batch of Voltra are going to be for the 57 since it's unbranded but that's not confirmed either.

(20 Oct 2021, 9:58 am)ASX_Terranova wrote Well thats annoying, was going to suggest buying new buses for the 20 then cascading the streetlites onto the 6, 12/12A & 28/28A.

I was hoping the 20 could get the Angel Streetdecks if the 21 ends up getting electric deckers. Think they both have a PVR of 16.

(20 Oct 2021, 11:16 am)deanmachine wrote I was hoping the 20 could get the Angel Streetdecks if the 21 ends up getting electric deckers. Think they both have a PVR of 16.

Angel StreetDecks (if bid is approved) will no doubt end up replacing B9TLs that are "overkill" on certain routes unless there's capacity demand for the PBs

(19 Oct 2021, 7:27 pm)Keeiajs wrote 65/204 change over at Murton (not sure if its Dalton Park), and Sherburn.

As from 30th October all 65 changeovers will be from Hetton Interchange.

(20 Oct 2021, 11:16 am)deanmachine wrote I was hoping the 20 could get the Angel Streetdecks if the 21 ends up getting electric deckers. Think they both have a PVR of 16.

I would say that 56 would get them, then the 20 would get those.

(20 Oct 2021, 11:16 am)deanmachine wrote I was hoping the 20 could get the Angel Streetdecks if the 21 ends up getting electric deckers. Think they both have a PVR of 16.

And allow withdrawal of all the 08/58 reg citaros

(20 Oct 2021, 5:41 pm)JP6004 wrote And allow withdrawal of all the 08/58 reg citaros

That's more my thinking, instead of moving still good B9s off anything, displace some more single deckers for newer more fuel efficient vehicles.

(20 Oct 2021, 11:48 pm)deanmachine wrote That's more my thinking, instead of moving still good B9s off anything, displace some more single deckers for newer more fuel efficient vehicles.

Exactly...and if the EV deckers are acquired, that would be the time to move some of the B9s from frontline service.

Upgrades - Country Ranger 8/78 - BrRLE MCV eVoRas
Leaving the 15 to the 26/50 

Upgrade 20 -  E200 MMC

Put Ex Prince Bishops to Replace the Older Versa's 

Upgrade 56 with E400 MMC's 
Put Ex 56's on Loop or 58. 

Upgrade 60 with E200 MMC 
Ex-60's on Sunderland District Blue & Violet 

Retire Q3's. 

Replace Q3's with Streetlites - Q3's go onto X6/62 & Spares

Replace Durham Diamond & Xlines X5/X15 & Cobalt And Coast in 2023 with selection of E400 MMC, StreetDecks & MCV 

Ex Angel Streetdecks on Cobalt & Coast. 

X21 new Scania E400 MMC 

X9/X10 E400 MMC. 

Crusader to get Ex-Angel (If Bid is successful)

Put Coaches on School/Rail Replacements. 

(05 Dec 2021, 6:42 pm)Keeiajs wrote Upgrades - Country Ranger 8/78 - E200's 
Leaving the 15 to the 26/50 

Upgrade 20 - Volvo B8RLE MCV eVoRas.

Put Ex Prince Bishops to Replace the Older Versa's 

Upgrade 56 with E400 MMC's 
Put Ex 56's on Loop or 58. 

Upgrade 60 with E200 MMC 
Ex-60's on Sunderland District Blue & Violet 

Retire Q3's. 

Replace Q3's with Streetlites 

Replace Durham Diamond & Xlines X5/X15 & Crusader & Cobalt And Coast in 2023 with selection of E400 MMC, StreetDecks & MCV 

Ex Angel Streetdecks on Cobalt & Coast. 

X21 new Scania E400 MMC 

X9/X10 E400 MMC. 

Put Coaches on School/Rail Replacements. 

Why would you retire 8 year old buses?

(05 Dec 2021, 6:42 pm)Keeiajs wrote Upgrade 20 - Volvo B8RLE MCV eVoRas.
*Would cost a fortune in fuel to run, and if GNE were out for a heavy duty decker, surely the B8RLE would be more suited to the 8/78 as above?

Upgrade 56 with E400 MMC's 
* StreetDecks would be more than fine for the 56 

Retire Q3's 
* Nothing wrong with the Versas as such

Replace Durham Diamond & Xlines X5/X15 & Crusader & Cobalt And Coast in 2023 with selection of E400 MMC, StreetDecks & MCV 
* X5/X15 and Cobalt & Coast already in pipeline subject to bids. Crusader not strong enough a route to get new stock and B9TLs are fine.

X21 new Scania E400 MMC 
* Agree the X21 could do with a more solid vehicle type but B5TLs are ok for now (through gritted teeth) .

X9/X10 E400 MMC. 
* Coaches will be more than fine once teething issues sorted out (if any). 

Well we now know an answer if we would ever get any of these buses by this tweet

Looks like Go North West are getting 20 Go-Ahead London Volvo B5LH MCV Evoseti’s, any chance of some for the North East @Dan3942 @MartijnGNE

To which Martijn respond https://twitter.com/MartijnGNE/status/14...IwPM20R66g&s=19

If GNE order any more E200 and E400 would they get the camera mirrors instead of actual mirrors, I am quite suprised that the current E400 don't have them, especially on some of the X72 quite tight turns