(14 Jun 2022, 8:18 pm)Ambassador wrote I think, in my humble opinion, because Stagecoach hasn’t consistently chopped and changed its network, it didn’t waste money on endless branding exercises, produce a pr puff brochure and kept a fairly solid…it deserves more slack or at least gets it

Tbh I think it's more everyone is more interested in GNE on here because of where people live. Stagecoach and Arriva are rarely discussed really. 

Theres not that many people North of the Tyne or South of Durham on here.

It doesn't help that GNE hang a carrot over a fair chunk of enthusiasts heads and they take the bait and they've suddenly realised their favourite company isn't as good as they thought.

(14 Jun 2022, 8:33 pm)Storx wrote Tbh I think it's more everyone is more interested in GNE on here because of where people live. Stagecoach and Arriva are rarely discussed really. 

Theres not that many people North of the Tyne or South of Durham on here.

It doesn't help that GNE hang a carrot over a fair chunk of enthusiasts heads and they take the bait and they've suddenly realised their favourite company isn't as good as they thought.

Of the big three, GNE is definitely my 'favourite', but if anything that makes me more critical of them. They're my 'favourite' mainly because they go to the places I want to go, they have the nicer fleet (in the places that I want to travel, at least), and are the cheaper option.

I live in what is primarily Arriva land, and do use them somewhat regularly, and I generally have no issues with them. They turn up when they're supposed to, and actually tell me if the service is delayed or cancelled, unlike GNE who just leave me wondering if they're going to turn around at Bishop or not if they're running the slightest bit late.

(14 Jun 2022, 8:18 pm)Ambassador wrote I think, in my humble opinion, because Stagecoach hasn’t consistently chopped and changed its network, it didn’t waste money on endless branding exercises, produce a pr puff brochure and kept a fairly solid…it deserves more slack or at least gets it

(14 Jun 2022, 8:33 pm)Storx wrote Tbh I think it's more everyone is more interested in GNE on here because of where people live. Stagecoach and Arriva are rarely discussed really. 

Theres not that many people North of the Tyne or South of Durham on here.

It doesn't help that GNE hang a carrot over a fair chunk of enthusiasts heads and they take the bait and they've suddenly realised their favourite company isn't as good as they thought.

Think you both make good points here. 
Brochures, hashtags, paint jobs, enthusiast pandering, industry back patting, trumpet blowing etc only increase the number of critical eyes and comments when things inevitably go wrong.

(14 Jun 2022, 8:59 pm)Andreos1 wrote Think you both make good points here. 
Brochures, hashtags, paint jobs, enthusiast pandering, industry back patting, trumpet blowing etc only increase the number of critical eyes and comments when things inevitably go wrong.

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GNE are on thin ice with me at the minute as it is, they made us 5 minutes late to pub quiz last week due a bus running early, and then the next one being cancelled, so we missed the first few questions. I could tolerate being late for work, but late for pub quiz, that's a big no-no!

It's got to the point where I'm genuinely considering learning to drive, I've already turned the front garden into a driveway and have been looking out for a good deal on an EV (if there's such a thing in today's market!).

Even my old argument of being able to work on the bus is losing it's pull. I think if we're late for pub quiz once more, or they shove E400s on the X21, then I'm done with them

(14 Jun 2022, 8:55 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Of the big three, GNE is definitely my 'favourite', but if anything that makes me more critical of them. They're my 'favourite' mainly because they go to the places I want to go, they have the nicer fleet (in the places that I want to travel, at least), and are the cheaper option.

I live in what is primarily Arriva land, and do use them somewhat regularly, and I generally have no issues with them. They turn up when they're supposed to, and actually tell me if the service is delayed or cancelled, unlike GNE who just leave me wondering if they're going to turn around at Bishop or not if they're running the slightest bit late.

To be honest they're all just the same to me, don't particularly like any of the 3 really. They all have massive flaws and tbh none of them really have anything to shout home about. Prefer the Metro just the shame it's a 50 minute walk or arm and a leg with the 57/57A to West Monkseaton believe it's £4.10 or something stupid for a return now or the 19 which doesn't run late enough and even then it's £3.60 return I believe. (It's about 3 mile to the Metro at Shiremoor (nearest stop)) and there's no joined ticketing because of the boundary tax.

Can't wait for the Blyth and Tyne railway to turn up so I rarely have to use a bus again ngl.

(14 Jun 2022, 9:09 pm)Dan wrote The independent research team better be adding these to the list for Andreos1 Bingo Bonanza!


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Im sure there’s one on contract that Marty can spend some cash on for us!

(14 Jun 2022, 9:09 pm)Dan wrote The independent research team better be adding these to the list for Andreos1 Bingo Bonanza!


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To be frank, the independent research team need to sort themselves out.
You had no chance of winning with the card you were given.
As a team, they're clearly either unwilling or unable to identify regular phrases. 

I'd have been sacked.

(14 Jun 2022, 9:17 pm)Ambassador wrote Im sure there’s one on contract that Marty can spend some cash on for us!

It is well documented on this forum that he has given lots of work to Shyster Solutions Ltd over the last year or two, in order to be #BetterThanEver.

I assume independent research is a service that this company offers!


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(14 Jun 2022, 9:15 pm)Storx wrote To be honest they're all just the same to me, don't particularly like any of the 3 really. They all have massive flaws and tbh none of them really have anything to shout home about. Prefer the Metro just the shame it's a 50 minute walk or arm and a leg with the 57/57A to West Monkseaton believe it's £4.10 or something stupid for a return now or the 19 which doesn't run late enough and even then it's £3.60 return I believe. (It's about 3 mile to the Metro at Shiremoor (nearest stop)) and there's no joined ticketing because of the boundary tax.

Can't wait for the Blyth and Tyne railway to turn up so I rarely have to use a bus again ngl.

Back in the day Seaton Valley fell under the jurisdiction of Tyneside PTE. I wonder how things would have been today if we had been subsequently incorporated into Tyne and Wear back then.

If the ABT does re-open, spare a thought for the people of Seghill as the train goes through!

(14 Jun 2022, 9:50 pm)solsburian wrote Back in the day Seaton Valley fell under the jurisdiction of Tyneside PTE. I wonder how things would have been today if we had been subsequently incorporated into Tyne and Wear back then.

If the ABT does re-open, spare a thought for the people of Seghill as the train goes through!

Yeah totally agreed to be honest, then again we can't complain too much really we're not too much different to the likes of Ouston, Portobello, Dipton etc and I'd take what we've got over any of them. The X7 isn't too bad really it's just a shame North Tyneside and Newcastle CC like doing awful road schemes in the South Gosforth / Killingworth area which delay it constantly especially the Sandy Lane 'upgrade' which has made Gosforth Park worse than ever.

Mind it's a shame they could get a station to work at Seghill to be honest, guessing it was too much to double up more track to make it work though. There's definitely the demand imo.

(14 Jun 2022, 8:33 pm)Storx wrote Tbh I think it's more everyone is more interested in GNE on here because of where people live. Stagecoach and Arriva are rarely discussed really. 

Theres not that many people North of the Tyne or South of Durham on here.

It doesn't help that GNE hang a carrot over a fair chunk of enthusiasts heads and they take the bait and they've suddenly realised their favourite company isn't as good as they thought.

It certainly seems as if most of the forum posters are primarily in T&W, there is some of us in County Durham, Teesside etc but naturally things are different here, down here Arriva hasn't really made any fleet changes since the delivery of the Sapphire Lites at Darlington in 2018 (many times I've had to correct people who say the last new buses at Arriva were the E400MMCs on the X21/X22 in 2017), Stagecoach on Teesside's fleet hasn't changed much either minus the E200MMCs and a few ex Yorkshire Darts at Hartlepool, neither has made much in terms of major service changes in years either minus a few frequency decreases so there's little to say on an enthusiasts forum when on the surface it seems as if little is happening, then you look at GNE that has painted most of the fleet or at least adapted the previous corporate livery into the new one and made multiple service changes over the last 3-4 years.

My stance on the North East Bus scene is that all of the big 3 are terrible in their own ways and since covid especially they've all suffered a downturn in quality IMO in particular from failing to operate journeys, from me at least Arriva have attracted the biggest response from me (although not on here) just from facing issues with the service offered (or rather not offered) due to me living in an Arriva dominated area but have also faced issues from Stagecoach & GNE.

The fact GNE seems to have more of an enthusiast following only seems to make things more vivid, it seems like Marmite you love them, or you hate them, I've taken a somewhat neutral stance with some views and predictions expressed here and there for which I've come under fire from the community for some of the views and things I've expressed with being labelled as a suck arse for thinking everything they do is amazing (even for just corrections in arguments) but then I say something negative and I get accused of being biased, having negative opinions or in more extreme cases some derogatory terms, yet its fine to express similar views against say, Arriva, you're in a lose/lose situation when discussing GNE lately.

(14 Jun 2022, 10:05 pm)Storx wrote Yeah totally agreed to be honest, then again we can't complain too much really we're not too much different to the likes of Ouston, Portobello, Dipton etc and I'd take what we've got over any of them. The X7 isn't too bad really it's just a shame North Tyneside and Newcastle CC like doing awful road schemes in the South Gosforth / Killingworth area which delay it constantly especially the Sandy Lane 'upgrade' which has made Gosforth Park worse than ever.

Mind it's a shame they could get a station to work at Seghill to be honest, guessing it was too much to double up more track to make it work though. There's definitely the demand imo.

I would have imagined we would have got the same patterns of service as we do now, though possibly with better ticket options. It sill annoys me we don't benefit from the Cramlington Routesaver.

The main reason why Seghill won't get a station (hopefully it will someday) is that it will add too much time on to the journey to/from Ashington, based on the class 156 performance characteristics. I have seen the plans for a new Seghill station, it would be a very substantial affair, basically being built on stilts on the embankment south of the level crossing and would have had a large car park on the field opposite Deneside. NCC (well specifically Stuart McNaughton) know that Seaton Delaval is too far away for foot passengers and car owners in Seghill would likely prefer Northumberland Park so they don't backtrack. A simple halt at Seghill would like suffice now (and be cheaper).

Anyhow, to keep it on topic, there is no love lost between me and Arriva (and one or two of Blyth's "finest" drivers to boot), IMHO GNE's headlining of the whole affair has been shambolic.

(14 Jun 2022, 10:05 pm)Jimmi wrote It certainly seems as if most of the forum posters are primarily in T&W, there is some of us in County Durham, Teesside etc but naturally things are different here, down here Arriva hasn't really made any fleet changes since the delivery of the Sapphire Lites at Darlington in 2018 (many times I've had to correct people who say the last new buses at Arriva were the E400MMCs on the X21/X22 in 2017), Stagecoach on Teesside's fleet hasn't changed much either minus the E200MMCs and a few ex Yorkshire Darts at Hartlepool, neither has made much in terms of major service changes in years either minus a few frequency decreases so there's little to say on an enthusiasts forum when on the surface it seems as if little is happening, then you look at GNE that has painted most of the fleet or at least adapted the previous corporate livery into the new one and made multiple service changes over the last 3-4 years.

My stance on the North East Bus scene is that all of the big 3 are terrible in their own ways and since covid especially they've all suffered a downturn in quality IMO in particular from failing to operate journeys, from me at least Arriva have attracted the biggest response from me (although not on here) just from facing issues with the service offered (or rather not offered) due to me living in an Arriva dominated area but have also faced issues from Stagecoach & GNE.

The fact GNE seems to have more of an enthusiast following only seems to make things more vivid, it seems like Marmite you love them, or you hate them, I've taken a somewhat neutral stance with some views and predictions expressed here and there for which I've come under fire from the community for some of the views and things I've expressed with being labelled as a suck arse for thinking everything they do is amazing (even for just corrections in arguments) but then I say something negative and I get accused of being biased, having negative opinions or in more extreme cases some derogatory terms, yet its fine to express similar views against say, Arriva, you're in a lose/lose situation when discussing GNE lately.

Yeah totally agreed with what you say to be honest. I've definitely found that with GNE but then again I rarely post things are positive unless it's correcting people as it's not really debating stuff.

Mind Arriva always baffles me as even known it's supposedly 1 company up here it really doesn't feel like it. It definitely feels like there's

Arriva Northumbria: Ashington, Jesmond, Blyth
Arriva Teesside: Redcar and Stockton
Arriva Durham: Durham and Darlington

With the first two lot generally being okay, attempting to keep their fleet in some form of order with the obvious lack of investment, generally handled Covid alright with sensible frequency decreases and haven't really been affected by the driver issues much.

Then there's Durham and Darlington which are just terrible, the fleet is in shocking condition, cancellations are rife everywhere, allocations are all over the place with Solo's doing full size routes and vice versa. The Pulsar's that came up here from Durham are in an absolutely shocking state and it's not as if they can blame the areas as Ashington isn't exactly Beverly Hills. It always feel like GNE are really micromanaged from the top but Arriva are just let to do whatever they want, what's better it's up for debate really but there's no consistency across Arriva.

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(14 Jun 2022, 10:17 pm)solsburian wrote I would have imagined we would have got the same patterns of service as we do now, though possibly with better ticket options. It sill annoys me we don't benefit from the Cramlington Routesaver.

The main reason why Seghill won't get a station (hopefully it will someday) is that it will add too much time on to the journey to/from Ashington, based on the class 156 performance characteristics. I have seen the plans for a new Seghill station, it would be a very substantial affair, basically being built on stilts on the embankment south of the level crossing and would have had a large car park on the field opposite Deneside. NCC (well specifically Stuart McNaughton) know that Seaton Delaval is too far away for foot passengers and car owners in Seghill would likely prefer Northumberland Park so they don't backtrack. A simple halt at Seghill would like suffice now (and be cheaper).

Anyhow, to keep it on topic, there is no love lost between me and Arriva (and one or two of Blyth's "finest" drivers to boot), IMHO GNE's headlining of the whole affair has been shambolic.

Yeah your probably right, mind it would be interesting to see if the 57 would exist as it is now or whether it would've ended up going further South with some form of subsidy. Agree on the ticketing though, I'll never forget the absolutely ridiculous situation where it was cheaper to buy tickets to Annitsford then a ticket from there from Annitsford to Newcastle.

Sounds good that to be fair, mind I'm not sure all these large car parks are really needed, tbh Seghill would probably be better for most of Delaval nvm Seghill. For me I'm backtracking heading to the wrong end of Delaval to head to Newcastle and it's 6 and 2 3's really heading towards Seghill instead.

Agreed we've derailed this thread a bit (sorry the pun) but it's more on topic than bingo I guess.

(14 Jun 2022, 7:37 pm)Jack Gill wrote Have DCC released what they will be doing yet, other than the few Peterlee changes?

There’s tenders been put out. I’m not 100% down on the details, but as I understand it the 25 will continue between Chester and Langley Park and 28 across the full route (I’m assuming Nexus have worked with DCC to ensure Kibblesworth is served). I’m hazarding a guess that these will be hourly.

(14 Jun 2022, 8:55 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Of the big three, GNE is definitely my 'favourite', but if anything that makes me more critical of them. They're my 'favourite' mainly because they go to the places I want to go, they have the nicer fleet (in the places that I want to travel, at least), and are the cheaper option.

I live in what is primarily Arriva land, and do use them somewhat regularly, and I generally have no issues with them. They turn up when they're supposed to, and actually tell me if the service is delayed or cancelled, unlike GNE who just leave me wondering if they're going to turn around at Bishop or not if they're running the slightest bit late.

They must have changed then becsuse I lived in pure arrivaland for 14 years and, even with the dawn of social media and vehicle tracking, it was anyone's guess if a 22 would turn up. As for the social media team, they have a few bods down south reading the same scripts the ever more hopeless app has access to, without the local knowledge.

(14 Jun 2022, 10:20 pm)Storx wrote Yeah totally agreed with what you say to be honest. I've definitely found that with GNE but then again I rarely post things are positive unless it's correcting people as it's not really debating stuff.

Mind Arriva always baffles me as even known it's supposedly 1 company up here it really doesn't feel like it. It definitely feels like there's

Arriva Northumbria: Ashington, Jesmond, Blyth
Arriva Teesside: Redcar and Stockton
Arriva Durham: Durham and Darlington

With the first two lot generally being okay, attempting to keep their fleet in some form of order with the obvious lack of investment, generally handled Covid alright with sensible frequency decreases and haven't really been affected by the driver issues much.

Then there's Durham and Darlington which are just terrible, the fleet is in shocking condition, cancellations are rife everywhere, allocations are all over the place with Solo's doing full size routes and vice versa. The Pulsar's that came up here from Durham are in an absolutely shocking state and it's not as if they can blame the areas as Ashington isn't exactly Beverly Hills. It always feel like GNE are really micromanaged from the top but Arriva are just let to do whatever they want, what's better it's up for debate really but there's no consistency across Arriva.

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Yeah your probably right, mind it would be interesting to see if the 57 would exist as it is now or whether it would've ended up going further South with some form of subsidy. Agree on the ticketing though, I'll never forget the absolutely ridiculous situation where it was cheaper to buy tickets to Annitsford then a ticket from there from Annitsford to Newcastle.

Sounds good that to be fair, mind I'm not sure all these large car parks are really needed, tbh Seghill would probably be better for most of Delaval nvm Seghill. For me I'm backtracking heading to the wrong end of Delaval to head to Newcastle and it's 6 and 2 3's really heading towards Seghill instead.

Agreed we've derailed this thread a bit (sorry the pun) but it's more on topic than bingo I guess.

Ah yes the old 57/57a chestnut. The boards for that seem to (a layperson like me) utterly crazy, especially on a Sunday, the evening and Sundays subsidy has contributed to that though. With the ABT, the consultants (AECOM) had a bit of fixation on having large car parks at every single station if they could, and didn't seem interested in bus connectivity. Mind you when some of the current county councilors thought Seaton Valley was in Tyne and Wear kind of tells you what we are up against.

Again to keep it on topic, with my Labour hat on, I'd say that that re-regulation and a more hands on PTE (perhaps with a purge of the current leadership) is what's needed. I'll get my coat.

Once upon a time, arriva in Durham had a bit of a reputation for taking a pride in its fleet. Must be 6 years ago, now, it took on this ALX 400s in barely roadworthy condition and fixed them up. And they're still here

(14 Jun 2022, 10:48 pm)BusLoverMum wrote Once upon a time, arriva in Durham had a bit of a reputation for taking a pride in its fleet. Must be 6 years ago, now, it took on this ALX 400s in barely roadworthy condition and fixed them up. And they're still here

You should have seen the state of Blyth's Cityzens that often had mold everywhere and gave sometimes gave you a complementary shower through the light fittings when it rained. Ashington's Solos are currently grim too.

GNE always seemed to be good at fleet presentation in the past, though the last couple Solo SRs I had on the 19 had dust building up in places.

(14 Jun 2022, 10:26 pm)Drifter60 wrote There’s tenders been put out. I’m not 100% down on the details, but as I understand it the 25 will continue between Chester and Langley Park and 28 across the full route (I’m assuming Nexus have worked with DCC to ensure Kibblesworth is served). I’m hazarding a guess that these will be hourly.

Glad the 28 has been saved.. be interesting to see who'll run it.

(14 Jun 2022, 10:20 pm)Storx wrote Yeah totally agreed with what you say to be honest. I've definitely found that with GNE but then again I rarely post things are positive unless it's correcting people as it's not really debating stuff.

Mind Arriva always baffles me as even known it's supposedly 1 company up here it really doesn't feel like it. It definitely feels like there's

Arriva Northumbria: Ashington, Jesmond, Blyth
Arriva Teesside: Redcar and Stockton
Arriva Durham: Durham and Darlington

With the first two lot generally being okay, attempting to keep their fleet in some form of order with the obvious lack of investment, generally handled Covid alright with sensible frequency decreases and haven't really been affected by the driver issues much.

Then there's Durham and Darlington which are just terrible, the fleet is in shocking condition, cancellations are rife everywhere, allocations are all over the place with Solo's doing full size routes and vice versa. The Pulsar's that came up here from Durham are in an absolutely shocking state and it's not as if they can blame the areas as Ashington isn't exactly Beverly Hills. It always feel like GNE are really micromanaged from the top but Arriva are just let to do whatever they want, what's better it's up for debate really but there's no consistency across Arriva.

Although this isn't the Arriva thread, would just like to say I completely agree with this. At the end of the day, the problem with Arriva is their model is a few years of intense fleet replacement, then let them rot for 15 or so years without so much as a fresh coat of paint (ironically the complete opposite of GNE), then start over. However I do agree the Solo's are one their biggest problems. Darlington decreased the frequencies on the town services, and used that to withdraw the Omnicities, pushing Solo's onto big bus services. It seems recently Darlington have acquired some of Durham's Pulsars in exchange for the Solo's but that's just making the Solo problem at Durham even worse. I think either Darlington or Durham could do with a substantial Streetlite order for the 1/5/5a/X1 or 22/23/24 next year which I think have PVR's of around 15 and 19 respectively to see a bulk of the Solo's replaced by more appropriately sized buses with those remaining used exclusively on the Darlo town services. 

Stockton and Redcar benefit from using just Pulsars, Streetlites and Temsa's (excluding the B9's, Gemini's and Solo's at Whitby) though I do think something need's to be done with the split of those three types at Redcar since they've not had enough Streetlites since the X3 began interworking with the 64. And Northumbria is going to get the added benefit of brand new vehicles seeing off the last few B7's, their Solo's and the shift around with the depots which should hopefully see things a bit more standardised.

(14 Jun 2022, 10:38 pm)BusLoverMum wrote They must have changed then becsuse I lived in pure arrivaland for 14 years and, even with the dawn of social media and vehicle tracking, it was anyone's guess if a 22 would turn up. As for the social media team, they have a few bods down south reading the same scripts the ever more hopeless app has access to, without the local knowledge.

The only Arriva routes I use with any regularity are the 6 and X1, with the occasional X46. The reliability, when I've wanted to use them at least, has been pretty good.
With the Arriva app, it actually shows you if the Service is cancelled rather than still showing up and just not live tracking. It also tells you if it's running late rather than just changing the times and pretending it's running on time.

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(14 Jun 2022, 10:48 pm)BusLoverMum wrote Once upon a time, arriva in Durham had a bit of a reputation for taking a pride in its fleet. Must be 6 years ago, now, it took on this ALX 400s in barely roadworthy condition and fixed them up. And they're still here

To be fair, they did a pretty good job with them, if it wasn't for the fact the comfort and engine noise is horrendous, they'd probably pass for being 5-10 years younger

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(14 Jun 2022, 2:24 pm)cbma06 wrote In the Peterlee area the 55, 62, 62A and X62 are all withdrawn under the Go North East proposals.

The X1 will continue at 2 buses per hour.

In response we will secure a replacement 62A but departure times will likely change from the present timetable. We will also negotiate a contract with Go North East to extend 1 journey per hour on service 61 from Murton to Peterlee via Easington Lane and South Hetton (connecting at Peterlee with the retimed 62A). The intention here is to preserve some key links but frequencies through South Hetton will be reduced.

We will secure a replacement X62, same route and times.


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“Negotiate a contract with Go North East” sounds like GNE will be able to name whatever price they want!

I wonder what proportion of the £8.8m that Nexus has spent “saving services” in Newcastle/North Tyneside and now South of the Tyne (£4.5m plus £4.3m) has gone to GNE?
plus GNE will likely get whatever £millions that Durham spend.

(14 Jun 2022, 8:55 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Of the big three, GNE is definitely my 'favourite', but if anything that makes me more critical of them. They're my 'favourite' mainly because they go to the places I want to go, they have the nicer fleet (in the places that I want to travel, at least), and are the cheaper option.

I live in what is primarily Arriva land, and do use them somewhat regularly, and I generally have no issues with them. They turn up when they're supposed to, and actually tell me if the service is delayed or cancelled, unlike GNE who just leave me wondering if they're going to turn around at Bishop or not if they're running the slightest bit late.

Is GNE being “the cheaper option” one of their problems, cheaper fares mean that you need more passengers to cover your costs - and almost all the proposed withdrawals cite “not enough passengers to cover the costs”.

(14 Jun 2022, 10:26 pm)Drifter60 wrote There’s tenders been put out. I’m not 100% down on the details, but as I understand it the 25 will continue between Chester and Langley Park and 28 across the full route (I’m assuming Nexus have worked with DCC to ensure Kibblesworth is served). I’m hazarding a guess that these will be hourly.

Confirmation from DCC

25 - Hourly service between Chester and Langley Park which may yet evolve to merge with something on the Tyne and Wear side to preserve through journeys to Newcastle

28 - 2 buses per hour between Chester and Ouston, one continues as 28 to Newcastle as now, the other as a service 29 via Kibblesworth to Newcastle, evening 28B maintained.

30/31 - Like for like replacement tendered

V3/47A - Hourly V5 tendered from Crookhall to Medomsley the Dene via Bradley Bungalows

As already mentioned: X62 like for like replacement, 62A self contained serving Horden, Easington Coll and Easington Vill via estates as now, timed to connect with the 61, route number tendered as 62A but likely to be reviewed. 61 has negotiated a deminimis extension to Peterlee via Easington Lane and South Hetton.

Would it be possible to bolt the 25 onto the 28/29 service or Maybe a 21 and call it 21A perhaps?

(15 Jun 2022, 10:32 am)gc802002 wrote Would it be possible to bolt the 25 onto the 28/29 service or Maybe a 21 and call it 21A perhaps?

I imagine if they both get awarded to GNE that will be looked into!

Surprised at a half hourly 28 - seems excessive between CLS and Ouston - would an hourly not suffice on that corridor considering the other options?

(15 Jun 2022, 10:34 am)peter wrote I imagine if they both get awarded to GNE that will be looked into!

It certainly should! 

The sheer nerve of sacking something off because it doesn't make enough money, but they're happy to run it under tender astounds me.

(15 Jun 2022, 1:54 pm)Andreos1 wrote It certainly should! 

The sheer nerve of sacking something off because it doesn't make enough money, but they're happy to run it under tender astounds me.

If GNE don't run it who will run it and even come close to it making money?