(26 Jun 2022, 11:02 am)big mac wrote With the new 29 route, between Gateshead and Kibblesworth, is it meant to be following the current 29 route ie. through Low Fell or is going to do the current 28a straight along Saltwell Road South?  It's not clear on the description of the changes which route it is going to take.

Another question being asked is, will the 29 operate from Kibblesworth to Ouston via Birtley or is it going to direct via the back roads.  (Like what the short lived X32 used to do)

Again the info states the 28 via Birtley but does not state as so for the 29.  There will be some outcry if Birtley is not served, however, you can't win them all, and at least a service was reinstated to Kibblesworth.

We dont even know which company is running those services yet either!

(26 Jun 2022, 12:49 pm)ifm001 wrote Another question being asked is, will the 29 operate from Kibblesworth to Ouston via Birtley or is it going to direct via the back roads.  (Like what the short lived X32 used to do)

Again the info states the 28 via Birtley but does not state as so for the 29.  There will be some outcry if Birtley is not served, however, you can't win them all, and at least a service was reinstated to Kibblesworth.

I'd guess that it's probably not going to serve both Low Fell and Birtley due to this adding a fair chunk on to the journey time, so presumably somebody is going to miss out somewhere.

Also, it must be doing something different to what the current 28a does, otherwise why would they be re-numbering it to 29?

(26 Jun 2022, 12:49 pm)ifm001 wrote Another question being asked is, will the 29 operate from Kibblesworth to Ouston via Birtley or is it going to direct via the back roads.  (Like what the short lived X32 used to do)

Again the info states the 28 via Birtley but does not state as so for the 29.  There will be some outcry if Birtley is not served, however, you can't win them all, and at least a service was reinstated to Kibblesworth.

One of the taxibuses, the TB14, is being extended to Kibblesworth from Birtley.

https://www.nexus.org.uk/consultation/it...sunderland

(26 Jun 2022, 1:03 pm)Storx wrote One of the taxibuses, the TB14, is being extended to Kibblesworth from Birtley.

https://www.nexus.org.uk/consultation/it...sunderland

so it looks like the 29 wont go via birtley?

(26 Jun 2022, 1:47 pm)Rob44 wrote so it looks like the 29 wont go via birtley?

I’m thinking the 29 won’t serve Birtley and it will indeed use the backroads to get Ouston, as the diversion to Birtley is a bit of a pain for anyone wanting to use the service beyond Birtley; North or South. 

The 28/29 will hopefully be timed so that from Ouston to CLS they’re every 30 minutes - and then the rest of the route North to Newcastle they’re essential completely separate routes, albeit coming together at Gateshead into NCL.

(26 Jun 2022, 2:02 pm)Drifter60 wrote I’m thinking the 29 won’t serve Birtley and it will indeed use the backroads to get Ouston, as the diversion to Birtley is a bit of a pain for anyone wanting to use the service beyond Birtley; North or South. 

The 28/29 will hopefully be timed so that from Ouston to CLS they’re every 30 minutes - and then the rest of the route North to Newcastle they’re essential completely separate routes, albeit coming together at Gateshead into NCL.

If its the back road to ouston I'm thinking of its not the widest or roads for a bus! But your right in not serving Birtley will save it time. I've been stuck on at the junction to get on the a167 at the coach and horse for ten minutes on several occations whilst on the 28a/b to birley

(26 Jun 2022, 2:05 pm)Rob44 wrote If its the back road to ouston I'm thinking of its not the widest or roads for a bus! But your right in not serving Birtley will save it time. I've been stuck on at the junction to get on the a167 at the coach and horse for ten minutes on several occations whilst on the 28a/b to birley

X32 used that road with omincities and deckers for the period it was on. Direct from Ouston I think it was to Team Valley
Even using the small road from Ravensworth Arms through to what we call Birtley Bank before heading to Ouston.
I hate driving that route in car let alone a bus driving along.

With the 24 to make it different they could of done the Sunday 50 extension and put it on that to make the actually useful and not be pointless by being the split route from the 20. Many other changes could of happened to keep people happy.
Many people i know loved the reintroduction of the ''46A'' with the 47A giving the Metrocentre link back and since its going they are not happy that the V5 is returning and getting rid of the Metro link.
Go North East could of kept the X46 but make go Leadgate & Medomsley bound instead of the normal Bridgehill and Shotley Way then both can meet at the point where the old 46A used to come from, the little junction on your way to Lintzford from Medomsley

(26 Jun 2022, 2:31 pm)ifm001 wrote X32 used that road with omincities and deckers for the period it was on. Direct from Ouston I think it was to Team Valley
Even using the small road from Ravensworth Arms through to what we call Birtley Bank before heading to Ouston.
I hate driving that route in car let alone a bus driving along.

Just think, after all these years, Bewicke Main Residential Caravan Park finally gets a bus service due to this change.

No matter who is funding the new 29, or who operates it, this is expoilting a gap in the market which has never been exploited before

(26 Jun 2022, 5:59 pm)MurdnunoC wrote Just think, after all these years, Bewicke Main Residential Caravan Park finally gets a bus service due to this change.

No matter who is funding the new 29, or who operates it, this is expoilting a gap in the market which has never been exploited before

but no safe place for a bus stop near Bewicke Main!

(26 Jun 2022, 5:58 pm)KingSlayerRBLX wrote With the 24 to make it different they could of done the Sunday 50 extension and put it on that to make the actually useful and not be pointless by being the split route from the 20. Many other changes could of happened to keep people happy.

I'm not sure people actually will be bothered if people aren't using the cross city links then it doesn't benefit anyone. They will be bothered though if their bus is 20 minutes late as it got stuck in Durham in traffic and they're travelling from Cleadon to South Shields. Operationally, it makes sense being 2 services.

I've always thought the Eldon Square services from Gateshead would be better to serve Central Station via the High Level from a customer point of view. The only option from Gateshead is the 53 which is a long run round when a Metro takes under 10mins including the time to walk down to the platform and up into Central.

The problem is the Redheugh/Boulevard. They both get snarled up with bad traffic and it can add a fair whack of time going up there. An option would be Rabbit Bank down to the Swing then up Forth Bank but again, the queue to turn right along by the Life Centre can be huge at peak time.

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If services are getting withdrawn due to low passenger numbers. Why can't the same be done about the 311. Hardly anyone uses it. Never seen it full

(27 Jun 2022, 11:41 am)Aaron21 wrote If services are getting withdrawn due to low passenger numbers. Why can't the same be done about the 311. Hardly anyone uses it. Never seen it full

I've never seen any 309/310/311 full, I see them a lot.

(27 Jun 2022, 11:41 am)Aaron21 wrote If services are getting withdrawn due to low passenger numbers. Why can't the same be done about the 311. Hardly anyone uses it. Never seen it full

Becuase re-routing the 310 via Hadrian Park would only drop the PVR by 2x and GNE can offer more buses 'combined' per hour compared to when it was a PVR of 17x for just the 309 & 310 running every 15 mins each.

Only way I can see GNE pulling the 311 is if they withdraw Hadrian Park to Newcastle all together with just the 309 & 310 running on a PVR of 13x with Stagecoach picking up Hadrian Park with a 22A.

But I doubt GNE would give up the 311 unless desperate as a 22A would potentially take passengers of the 41/41A from Hadrian Park to Wallsend.

(27 Jun 2022, 11:45 am)Unber43 wrote I've never seen any 309/310/311 full, I see them a lot.

I doubt many services are 'full' on a regular basis - especially not the 309/310/311 that comes on a more frequent basis than the likes of the 21 now.

That doesn't mean they don't have enough passengers to sustain a service.

(27 Jun 2022, 11:54 am)L469 YVK wrote Becuase re-routing the 310 via Hadrian Park would only drop the PVR by 2x and GNE can offer more buses 'combined' per hour compared to when it was a PVR of 17x for just the 309 & 310 running every 15 mins each.

Only way I can see GNE pulling the 311 is if they withdraw Hadrian Park to Newcastle all together with just the 309 & 310 running on a PVR of 13x with Stagecoach picking up Hadrian Park with a 22A.

But I doubt GNE would give up the 311 unless desperate as a 22A would potentially take passengers of the 41/41A from Hadrian Park to Wallsend.

At least if they did that. They could have two spare for the 309/310/311 as they seem to use two for the Scholars and OmniDekka end up on the route

(27 Jun 2022, 12:06 pm)Thomas12 wrote I doubt many services are 'full' on a regular basis - especially not the 309/310/311 that comes on a more frequent basis than the likes of the 21 now.

That doesn't mean they don't have enough passengers to sustain a service.

I'd argue that even if there was a financial loss on some of those Coast Road routes, neither of the two main players are going to walk away or start withdrawing services unless they're told to by a legislative change of some sort. 

It's dog pi$$ing territory.

(27 Jun 2022, 1:04 pm)Aaron21 wrote At least if they did that. They could have two spare for the 309/310/311 as they seem to use two for the Scholars and OmniDekka end up on the route

They already do in the form of either 6099/6100 (if not at Riverside) and 6101

(27 Jun 2022, 11:45 am)Unber43 wrote I've never seen any 309/310/311 full, I see them a lot.

I got the ??X39 from silverlink after going to Odeon at around tea time a few weeks ago and it was rammed

(27 Jun 2022, 2:47 pm)L469 YVK wrote They already do in the form of either 6099/6100 (if not at Riverside) and 6101

Still end up with tons of OmniDekka on the Cobalt & Coast routes. With about 3 or 4 branded 309/310/311 being put on school

(27 Jun 2022, 3:10 pm)Rob44 wrote I got the ??X39 from silverlink after going to Odeon at around tea time a few weeks ago and it was rammed

I've noticed that the X39 has been carrying a fair few passengers too.

On Sundays won't the X20 interwork with either the X5/16B or 21? 

Instead of Shunting Deptford Drivers back and forth

(27 Jun 2022, 5:38 pm)Unber43 wrote On Sundays won't the X20 interwork with either the X5/16B or 21? 

Instead of Shunting Deptford Drivers back and forth

I've heard Washington are doing it, but can't confirm.

(27 Jun 2022, 5:52 pm)deanmachine wrote I've heard Washington are doing it, but can't confirm.

When it was the 14 it used to interwork with the x22 monday-saturday and then on Sundays with the 21. If Washington were to do it then presumably it would have to run remotely with driver changeovers somewhere on the route or possibly interwork with the 50 in Durham?

(27 Jun 2022, 6:08 pm)User2613 wrote When it was the 14 it used to interwork with the x22 monday-saturday and then on Sundays with the 21. If Washington were to do it then presumably it would have to run remotely with driver changeovers somewhere on the route or possibly interwork with the 50 in Durham?

I was thinking when DeanMachine said Washington that it could interwork with the 50's

(27 Jun 2022, 5:52 pm)deanmachine wrote I've heard Washington are doing it, but can't confirm.

(27 Jun 2022, 6:08 pm)User2613 wrote When it was the 14 it used to interwork with the x22 monday-saturday and then on Sundays with the 21. If Washington were to do it then presumably it would have to run remotely with driver changeovers somewhere on the route or possibly interwork with the 50 in Durham?

If interworking patterns change they could have the 50/X20 interworking at Durham.

On current timings the X20 leaves Durham at xx:22 towards Langley Park, the 50 arrives into Durham at xx:04 which would currently give you 16 minutes layover between operating the two.

(27 Jun 2022, 6:17 pm)Unber43 wrote I was thinking when DeanMachine said Washington that it could interwork with the 50's

Yes, it will.

(27 Jun 2022, 6:22 pm)Dan wrote Yes, it will.

Thank you