So it seems there will need to be atleast 3-4 Graphite Painting

61 needs to be painted/de-branded (wonder what going to operate these)

I think 1-2 Little Pinks will be getting re-branded

20 needs re-painting

60 needs repainting (not a new livery, just a refurb and a paint job)

(03 Jul 2022, 8:44 pm)Unber43 wrote So it seems there will need to be atleast 3-4 Graphite Painting

61 needs to be painted/de-branded (wonder what going to operate these)

I think 1-2 Little Pinks will be getting re-branded

20 needs re-painting

60 needs repainting (not a new livery, just a refurb and a paint job)

If the 61 still require 4 buses. I can just see them doing a cheap job and debrand the front part of violet and doing it for Blue. But the fact the changes just said 61&New61A makes me thing blue has been dropped

Minor changes:
- 7x StreetDecks - References to Red Kite removed and destinations changed accordingly for X70/X71/X72. Interior branding also changed.

- 8x E400MMC - References to Sunniside removed and destinations changed accordingly for X30/X31/X45. Interior branding also changed.

Major repaints:
- 1x StreetDeck - Partial repaint and re-brand for XLines X1.

- 6x E400MMC - Full repaint for Red Kite Ranger 47. Maybe bike racks for 6338-40 depending on cost.

- 6x B9TL - Full repaint into corporate livery.

(03 Jul 2022, 8:54 pm)Aaron21 wrote If the 61 still require 4 buses. I can just see them doing a cheap job and debrand the front part of violet and doing it for Blue. But the fact the changes just said 61&New61A makes me thing blue has been dropped

I can't find anything on the 61A for timetables. 

Really imo the 61A should run all day via Ashbrooke, to Mill In, Along Station Road, Seaham, Dawdon, Graham Way, Dalton Park, Murton(62 Way), Peterlee. 

It would keep it at every 20 mins throughout the day.

Pretty sure the 61A is sundays only. However the 61 got a timetable for Sunday.

(03 Jul 2022, 8:57 pm)L469 YVK wrote Minor changes:
- 7x StreetDecks - References to Red Kite removed and destinations changed accordingly for X70/X71/X72. Interior branding also changed.

- 8x E400MMC - References to Sunniside removed and destinations changed accordingly for X30/X31/X45. Interior branding also changed.

Major repaints:
- 1x StreetDeck - Partial repaint and re-brand for XLines X1.

- 6x E400MMC - Full repaint for Red Kite Ranger 47. Maybe bike racks for 6338-40 depending on cost.

- 6x B9TL - Full repaint into corporate livery.

So basically Red Kite Ranger B9 was a waste of time

(03 Jul 2022, 8:54 pm)Aaron21 wrote If the 61 still require 4 buses. I can just see them doing a cheap job and debrand the front part of violet and doing it for Blue. But the fact the changes just said 61&New61A makes me thing blue has been dropped

There's no need for the Merc's, there's 31 Streetlites for a PVR of 27 on the 5, 9, 20, 24 and 26. I can imagine the 8xxx Streetlite's will end up on the 61 with the Citaro's being turned into coke cans.

(03 Jul 2022, 9:09 pm)Aaron21 wrote So basically Red Kite Ranger B9 was a waste of time

He's guessing and writing it as facts. The Enviro 400 MMC's could end up anywhere, the 6 being an option either or some random unexpected route.

(03 Jul 2022, 9:21 pm)Storx wrote There's no need for the Merc's, there's 31 Streetlites for a PVR of 27 on the 5, 9, 20, 24 and 26. I can imagine the 8xxx Streetlite's will end up on the 61 with the Citaro's being turned into coke cans.


He's guessing and writing it as facts. The Enviro 400 MMC's could end up anywhere, the 6 being an option either or some random unexpected route.

Yeah he is. 

But it is the most logical places for it to go

(03 Jul 2022, 9:21 pm)Storx wrote There's no need for the Merc's, there's 31 Streetlites for a PVR of 27 on the 5, 9, 20, 24 and 26. I can imagine the 8xxx Streetlite's will end up on the 61 with the Citaro's being turned into coke cans.


He's guessing and writing it as facts. The Enviro 400 MMC's could end up anywhere, the 6 being an option either or some random unexpected route.

I doubt they'd end up on the 6 given that there still appears to be 'some' potential interworking pattern (unless I've misread). But no other services match the PVR for 6x E400MMC.

Only other option asides from the 47 would be GNE holding onto them incase there's a business case for a return of the X9 which I doubt.

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(03 Jul 2022, 9:09 pm)Aaron21 wrote So basically Red Kite Ranger B9 was a waste of time

Not at the time but things have changed now. If newer and more fuel efficient vehicles are available, GNE will utilise them and the B9TLs would still play an inportant role at Riverside.

(03 Jul 2022, 10:03 pm)L469 YVK wrote I doubt they'd end up on the 6 given that there still appears to be 'some' potential interworking pattern (unless I've misread). But no other services match the PVR for 6x E400MMC.

Only other option asides from the 47 would be GNE holding onto them incase there's a business case for a return of the X9 which I doubt.

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Not at the time but things have changed now. If newer and more fuel efficient vehicles are available, GNE will utilise them and the B9TLs would still play an inportant role at Riverside.

Maybe one at Deptford too

(03 Jul 2022, 10:03 pm)L469 YVK wrote I doubt they'd end up on the 6 given that there still appears to be 'some' potential interworking pattern (unless I've misread). But no other services match the PVR for 6x E400MMC.

Only other option asides from the 47 would be GNE holding onto them incase there's a business case for a return of the X9 which I doubt.

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Not at the time but things have changed now. If newer and more fuel efficient vehicles are available, GNE will utilise them and the B9TLs would still play an inportant role at Riverside.

The stands seem to be wrong, everything leaves from B or D so not sure they're 100% right.

I was just thinking Riverside to give some support for the X10. Arguably it would be better to swap them round rather than having 4 getting hit hard on the X10 daily plus you've already got the 2 spares there which could make up some PVR for something if needed. The random route I was thinking was something like the 58, it used to be a route which always got newer buses on but it's got outdated ex London B9 stock on atm and it's a number short aswell.

Who knows though.

(03 Jul 2022, 10:14 pm)Storx wrote The stands seem to be wrong, everything leaves from B or D so not sure they're 100% right.

I was just thinking Riverside to give some support for the X10. Arguably it would be better to swap them round rather than having 4 getting hit hard on the X10 daily plus you've already got the 2 spares there which could make up some PVR for something if needed. The random route I was thinking was something like the 58, it used to be a route which always got newer buses on but it's got outdated ex London B9 stock on atm and it's a number short aswell.

Who knows though.

Unless the short 6 journeys ex Stanley will drop onto the 12?

58 PVR will be 7x so would either need 6336 or 6337. That would then leave Consett with only 1x low height spare as an option which is risky when Euro 6 will be required in the future.

X9 might return in the future within a few years but not anytime soon I reckon.

With the 21 & 25 moving to Riverside, GNE would have 8x B9TL and 1x B5TL covering a total decker PVR of 69 (10/A/B - 21 - 27 - 58 - 93/94 - X10 - X21) with 6336-37 moving to Consett as spares if 6338-43 end up on the 47 and 6344-51 end up on the X30/X31/X45

(03 Jul 2022, 8:57 pm)L469 YVK wrote Minor changes:
- 7x StreetDecks - References to Red Kite removed and destinations changed accordingly for X70/X71/X72. Interior branding also changed.

- 8x E400MMC - References to Sunniside removed and destinations changed accordingly for X30/X31/X45. Interior branding also changed.

Major repaints:
- 1x StreetDeck - Partial repaint and re-brand for XLines X1.

- 6x E400MMC - Full repaint for Red Kite Ranger 47. Maybe bike racks for 6338-40 depending on cost.

- 6x B9TL - Full repaint into corporate livery.

That is  pointless.
Streetdecks and MMC's dont need to swap on the X70/71/72 cause its the same spec. Plus sending 'Premium' on a route that is ran by B9TL's would be a too much big of an upgrade for a route that doesnt need them, yes the X-Lines MMC's can appear as spare but do not need to be a full allocation.

(04 Jul 2022, 11:06 am)KingSlayerRBLX wrote That is  pointless.
Streetdecks and MMC's dont need to swap on the X70/71/72 cause its the same spec. Plus sending 'Premium' on a route that is ran by B9TL's would be a too much big of an upgrade for a route that doesnt need them, yes the X-Lines MMC's can appear as spare but do not need to be a full allocation.

X30, X31 and X45 will all interwork. This means every bus on these boards will need to go under Ellison Road bridge in Dunston, which is marked as 14'3". The MMCs fit, but the Streetdecks don't AFAIK, which is why there would have to be a swap.

(04 Jul 2022, 11:42 am)missedbus wrote X30, X31 and X45 will all interwork. This means every bus on these boards will need to go under Ellison Road bridge in Dunston, which is marked as 14'3". The MMCs fit, but the Streetdecks don't AFAIK, which is why there would have to be a swap.

but you have 14x MMC's in the Green livery so take off the 5 that are currently on the X30/X31 so that leaves 9 MMC's but there is 8x Green Streetdecks. So the PVR according to this is gonna increase by 1 and the X70/X71/X72 PVR will drop by 1.
Again it would be a pointless change plus i dont think they will all interwork cause it wouldn't work

What’s the reasoning behind the X45 interworking with the X30/X31? To allow driver change overs to happen at Hownsgill?

(04 Jul 2022, 12:14 pm)KingSlayerRBLX wrote but you have 14x MMC's in the Green livery so take off the 5 that are currently on the X30/X31 so that leaves 9 MMC's but there is 8x Green Streetdecks. So the PVR according to this is gonna increase by 1 and the X70/X71/X72 PVR will drop by 1.
Again it would be a pointless change plus i dont think they will all interwork cause it wouldn't work

The PVR of the X45 is 5, the PVR of the X30/X31 is 3
The PVR of the X70/X71/X72 is 7

There's not enough Enviro 400 MMC's unless they shifted the 2 spares from Riverside across and in turn shifted all the Streetdeck's to Riverside or elsewhere with 6377 being the spare for the X10. It wouldn't be the worst idea in the world tbh for fleet standardisation.

(04 Jul 2022, 1:22 pm)Drifter60 wrote What’s the reasoning behind the X45 interworking with the X30/X31? To allow driver change overs to happen at Hownsgill?

Pretty much, they used to interwork with the X70/X71/X72 but since the frequency decrease 20 mins vs 30 mins it wouldn't work anymore.

(04 Jul 2022, 1:39 pm)Storx wrote The PVR of the X45 is 5, the PVR of the X30/X31 is 3
The PVR of the X70/X71/X72 is 7

There's not enough Enviro 400 MMC's unless they shifted the 2 spares from Riverside across and in turn shifted all the Streetdeck's to Riverside or elsewhere with 6377 being the spare for the X10. It wouldn't be the worst idea in the world tbh for fleet standardisation.


Pretty much, they used to interwork with the X70/X71/X72 but since the frequency decrease 20 mins vs 30 mins it wouldn't work anymore.

X30/X31 and X45 will interwork as they arrive onto Stand D ex Consett off the X45 and Stand B ex Stanley off the X30/X31.

Therefore, the total combined PVR of those services would be 8x (minus the peak extras for the X30/X31). That leaves 6x E400MMC. The PVR of the 47 is 6x and with 6336-37 sent back to Consett, that would provide enough 'low height' Euro 6 decker cover as well as an upgrade for the 47.

As for StreetDecks 6356-63, 7x would go on the X70/X71/X72 with 1x going to Washington to make up a full PVR of 14x on the X1. 6331-32 would be Washington's spares for the X1 with 6333 being Consett's spare for anything bar the X30/X31/X45.

Whilst Riverside (incl CLS' ops moving there) would lose 2x E400MMC and 2x StreetDecks (would be 6331-32 as 6333 is already at Consett), they'd gain 5x B9TL from Consett (with the 6th making up the 58 PVR increase) and 1x B5TL as spare. This coupled with 2x B9TLs already there and 6099 (Percy Main would have 6100-01 as spares) would provide 9x spare vehicles for a Euro 6 decker PVR of 69x (7.66:1 spare). I'm not counting 6377 as that's mainly a float but also another option available if desperate.

Having used the 47/47A on a number of occasions in recent months it doesn't warrant the use of a Double Decker during the day, A Streetlite would be more suitable allocation moving forward in my opinion.

The B9's would take a spare role in the fleet where needed and i'd have the E400MMC's go onto the 57 or 58 depending on which gets the Yutong E12's when they arrive.

(04 Jul 2022, 6:54 pm)Malarkey wrote Having used the 47/47A on a number of occasions in recent months it doesn't warrant the use of a Double Decker during the day, A Streetlite would be more suitable allocation moving forward in my opinion.

The B9's would take a spare role in the fleet where needed and i'd have the E400MMC's go onto the 57 or 58 depending on which gets the Yutong E12's when they arrive.

- There's not enough E400MMC (including 6336-37) leftover to fill the PVR of either the 57 or 58 and provide adequate spare 'low bridge' cover at Consett for a PVR of 8x (X30/X31/X45).

- There's not enough E400MMC (including 6336-37) leftover to fill the PVR of the X70/X71/X72 and provide adequate spare 'low bridge' cover at Consett for a PVR of 8x (X30/X31/X45).

Once upon a time and with single deckers to fall back on, a spare ratio of 1:8 would be fine for the X30/X31/X45. But with the CAZ due to come into force and no single deck Euro 6 vehicles at Consett (only option if no low height E400MMC available), GNE need to have more robust cover.

Anyways, the 47 had always been a fairly strong route and with a common headway reduction with the X45 from every 10 mins to every 15 mins, deckers will be fine on the 47.

(04 Jul 2022, 6:54 pm)Malarkey wrote Having used the 47/47A on a number of occasions in recent months it doesn't warrant the use of a Double Decker during the day, A Streetlite would be more suitable allocation moving forward in my opinion.

The B9's would take a spare role in the fleet where needed and i'd have the E400MMC's go onto the 57 or 58 depending on which gets the Yutong E12's when they arrive.

With the X45 going every 30 mins I think the 47 will be getting busier.

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(04 Jul 2022, 7:32 pm)L469 YVK wrote - There's not enough E400MMC (including 6336-37) leftover to fill the PVR of either the 57 or 58 and provide adequate spare 'low bridge' cover at Consett for a PVR of 8x (X30/X31/X45).

- There's not enough E400MMC (including 6336-37) leftover to fill the PVR of the X70/X71/X72 and provide adequate spare 'low bridge' cover at Consett for a PVR of 8x (X30/X31/X45).

Once upon a time and with single deckers to fall back on, a spare ratio of 1:8 would be fine for the X30/X31/X45. But with the CAZ due to come into force and no single deck Euro 6 vehicles at Consett (only option if no low height E400MMC available), GNE need to have more robust cover.

Anyways, the 47 had always been a fairly strong route and with a common headway reduction with the X45 from every 10 mins to every 15 mins, deckers will be fine on the 47.

That's why I still question the removal of the Euro 6 Omnicities, as they would be perfect to spread amongst depots such as Consett, Deptford, Riverside, PM and Washington as dedicated spares for Newcastle services.

(04 Jul 2022, 7:38 pm)nova347 wrote With the X45 going every 30 mins I think the 47 will be getting busier.

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That's why I still question the removal of the Euro 6 Omnicities, as they would be perfect to spread amongst depots such as Consett, Deptford, Riverside, PM and Washington as dedicated spares for Newcastle services.

And perfect for the profits of oil companies and The Treasury! 

664 in corporate colours, blonde no more


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Sprinters 729 & 730 now have a new livery , they are in service from tomorrow (14th) on service's 79 & 520(15th) couldn't get pictures, but they are parked up at Deptford if anyone wants to pop down

(13 May 2023, 7:19 am)Retro Nero wrote Sprinters 729 & 730 now have a new livery , they are in service from tomorrow (14th) on service's 79 & 520(15th) couldn't get pictures, but they are parked up at Deptford if anyone wants to pop down

The 2019 Livery?

Also that means Deckers will be on the shuttle

(13 May 2023, 7:19 am)Retro Nero wrote Sprinters 729 & 730 now have a new livery , they are in service from tomorrow (14th) on service's 79 & 520(15th) couldn't get pictures, but they are parked up at Deptford if anyone wants to pop down

Photo by Dan Graham

https://twitter.com/Dan3942/status/1657330870632472583

(13 May 2023, 10:53 am)Michael wrote Photo by Dan Graham

https://twitter.com/Dan3942/status/1657330870632472583

Christ, that looks bloody horrendous!

Fits more with the old corporate livery, so are we going back to that, or did they decide to be inconsistent on purpose?

What the hell is that

(13 May 2023, 12:56 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Christ, that looks bloody horrendous!

Fits more with the old corporate livery, so are we going back to that, or did they decide to be inconsistent on purpose?

Costs a lot of money to wrap a full Sprinter you know!

(13 May 2023, 8:33 pm)deanmachine wrote Costs a lot of money to wrap a full Sprinter you know!

It’s not even that it’s just a banner rather than a full wrap, it’s the fact someone designed that retro twist of the corporate livery. (Not even sure they look like the right shades).

If they wanted it to look more ‘GNE’ for passengers why on earth isn’t it a banner of the 2019 corporate livery?

It’s very this:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/129093914@N02/27780840298