Jesmond Depot
Jesmond Depot
(04 Nov 2022, 10:27 pm)L469 YVK Barring the 306, could Arriva eventually decide to sell off the former Jesmond depot operation (including all routes temporarily moved to Blyth) to Stagecoach?
(04 Nov 2022, 10:27 pm)L469 YVK Barring the 306, could Arriva eventually decide to sell off the former Jesmond depot operation (including all routes temporarily moved to Blyth) to Stagecoach?
(04 Nov 2022, 10:39 pm)mb134 Why would they?
(04 Nov 2022, 10:39 pm)mb134 Why would they?
(05 Nov 2022, 7:15 am)Storx Have to echo this, I'm not sure why they'd want to buy them especially with the 306 which is half alright. They're a bunch of weak routes which don't really have anything going for them.43/44/45 are an alright set of routes to be fair minus the frequency reductions to combat driver shortages.
Arriva Blyth and Ashington are the two depots which have the decent routes in Northumbria.
Jesmond has always been the weak point of Northumbria similar to Durham in North East and it's why usually they have the worst fleets. The reason why the depot isn't economical anymore pretty much.
(05 Nov 2022, 7:15 am)Storx Have to echo this, I'm not sure why they'd want to buy them especially with the 306 which is half alright. They're a bunch of weak routes which don't really have anything going for them.43/44/45 are an alright set of routes to be fair minus the frequency reductions to combat driver shortages.
Arriva Blyth and Ashington are the two depots which have the decent routes in Northumbria.
Jesmond has always been the weak point of Northumbria similar to Durham in North East and it's why usually they have the worst fleets. The reason why the depot isn't economical anymore pretty much.
(05 Nov 2022, 9:13 am)L469 YVK 43/44/45 are an alright set of routes to be fair minus the frequency reductions to combat driver shortages.
51 & 54 could be interworked with the 317 if kept hourly......or the 54 could be merged into a new X62 & X63 with the 54 running as an X62.
Don't know about the 55.
685 would become full Stagecoach.
52 & 53 aren't too bad although not exactly money makers......but Stagecoach have made a good go of the 10/11 and 317 which are 'local' routes too.
(05 Nov 2022, 9:13 am)L469 YVK 43/44/45 are an alright set of routes to be fair minus the frequency reductions to combat driver shortages.
51 & 54 could be interworked with the 317 if kept hourly......or the 54 could be merged into a new X62 & X63 with the 54 running as an X62.
Don't know about the 55.
685 would become full Stagecoach.
52 & 53 aren't too bad although not exactly money makers......but Stagecoach have made a good go of the 10/11 and 317 which are 'local' routes too.
(05 Nov 2022, 10:06 am)peter The 10/11 and 317 are Nexus contracts...I'd hardly give them credit for making a good go of them, that's what they've been contracted to do. It could be Go North East or more likely Gateshead Central Taxis running them by March.Aren't the 10/11 and 317 run with some 'commercial risk' though?
If you exclude them, Stagecoach don't currently operate commercially within the area, they operate within the city of Newcastle. Arriva operate to Cramlington, Whitley Bay etc so it makes sense for the 43/44/45 and 51/52/53/54 to stay with them.
The 55 I could actually see in Stagecoach's network - most likely I see Arriva withdrawing it and it ending up a Nexus contract that Stagecoach could win.
I agree the 685 would make much more sense with Stagecoach.
(05 Nov 2022, 10:06 am)peter The 10/11 and 317 are Nexus contracts...I'd hardly give them credit for making a good go of them, that's what they've been contracted to do. It could be Go North East or more likely Gateshead Central Taxis running them by March.Aren't the 10/11 and 317 run with some 'commercial risk' though?
If you exclude them, Stagecoach don't currently operate commercially within the area, they operate within the city of Newcastle. Arriva operate to Cramlington, Whitley Bay etc so it makes sense for the 43/44/45 and 51/52/53/54 to stay with them.
The 55 I could actually see in Stagecoach's network - most likely I see Arriva withdrawing it and it ending up a Nexus contract that Stagecoach could win.
I agree the 685 would make much more sense with Stagecoach.
(05 Nov 2022, 10:06 am)peter The 10/11 and 317 are Nexus contracts...I'd hardly give them credit for making a good go of them, that's what they've been contracted to do. It could be Go North East or more likely Gateshead Central Taxis running them by March.
If you exclude them, Stagecoach don't currently operate commercially within the area, they operate within the city of Newcastle. Arriva operate to Cramlington, Whitley Bay etc so it makes sense for the 43/44/45 and 51/52/53/54 to stay with them.
The 55 I could actually see in Stagecoach's network - most likely I see Arriva withdrawing it and it ending up a Nexus contract that Stagecoach could win.
I agree the 685 would make much more sense with Stagecoach.
(05 Nov 2022, 10:06 am)peter The 10/11 and 317 are Nexus contracts...I'd hardly give them credit for making a good go of them, that's what they've been contracted to do. It could be Go North East or more likely Gateshead Central Taxis running them by March.
If you exclude them, Stagecoach don't currently operate commercially within the area, they operate within the city of Newcastle. Arriva operate to Cramlington, Whitley Bay etc so it makes sense for the 43/44/45 and 51/52/53/54 to stay with them.
The 55 I could actually see in Stagecoach's network - most likely I see Arriva withdrawing it and it ending up a Nexus contract that Stagecoach could win.
I agree the 685 would make much more sense with Stagecoach.
(05 Nov 2022, 11:17 am)Storx The 55 won't be replaced, there's no need for it. It's covered by other services (52 / 62). All that would happen is the X7/X8 would stop between Newcastle and South Gosforth as they do in an evening and that's it.Or re-routing the 52 like you've suggested a few times,which tbh, could actually work
(05 Nov 2022, 11:17 am)Storx The 55 won't be replaced, there's no need for it. It's covered by other services (52 / 62). All that would happen is the X7/X8 would stop between Newcastle and South Gosforth as they do in an evening and that's it.Or re-routing the 52 like you've suggested a few times,which tbh, could actually work
(05 Nov 2022, 9:13 am)L469 YVK 43/44/45 are an alright set of routes to be fair minus the frequency reductions to combat driver shortages.
51 & 54 could be interworked with the 317 if kept hourly......or the 54 could be merged into a new X62 & X63 with the 54 running as an X62.
Don't know about the 55.
685 would become full Stagecoach.
52 & 53 aren't too bad although not exactly money makers......but Stagecoach have made a good go of the 10/11 and 317 which are 'local' routes too.
(05 Nov 2022, 9:13 am)L469 YVK 43/44/45 are an alright set of routes to be fair minus the frequency reductions to combat driver shortages.
51 & 54 could be interworked with the 317 if kept hourly......or the 54 could be merged into a new X62 & X63 with the 54 running as an X62.
Don't know about the 55.
685 would become full Stagecoach.
52 & 53 aren't too bad although not exactly money makers......but Stagecoach have made a good go of the 10/11 and 317 which are 'local' routes too.
Does anyone think Arriva will now run they operations out of Walkergate for the forseable future more than 6 months as I'm thinking if they do move fully to Blyth and ashington they will be short of more drivers. I was thinking is cheaper for them just running out of Walkergate.
Can someone confirm which routes for arriva operate out of Walkergate depot?
(25 Nov 2022, 8:14 pm)Aaron21 51,52,53,54,55,553,555,685,306(some ran by Blyth due to interwork of the 308)
(25 Nov 2022, 8:14 pm)Aaron21 51,52,53,54,55,553,555,685,306(some ran by Blyth due to interwork of the 308)
(05 Nov 2022, 10:06 am)peter The 10/11 and 317 are Nexus contracts...I'd hardly give them credit for making a good go of them, that's what they've been contracted to do. It could be Go North East or more likely Gateshead Central Taxis running them by March.Even Go North East would be suitable for route 685, from Hexham and possibly Gateshead depots.
If you exclude them, Stagecoach don't currently operate commercially within the area, they operate within the city of Newcastle. Arriva operate to Cramlington, Whitley Bay etc so it makes sense for the 43/44/45 and 51/52/53/54 to stay with them.
The 55 I could actually see in Stagecoach's network - most likely I see Arriva withdrawing it and it ending up a Nexus contract that Stagecoach could win.
I agree the 685 would make much more sense with Stagecoach.
(05 Nov 2022, 10:06 am)peter The 10/11 and 317 are Nexus contracts...I'd hardly give them credit for making a good go of them, that's what they've been contracted to do. It could be Go North East or more likely Gateshead Central Taxis running them by March.
If you exclude them, Stagecoach don't currently operate commercially within the area, they operate within the city of Newcastle. Arriva operate to Cramlington, Whitley Bay etc so it makes sense for the 43/44/45 and 51/52/53/54 to stay with them.
The 55 I could actually see in Stagecoach's network - most likely I see Arriva withdrawing it and it ending up a Nexus contract that Stagecoach could win.
I agree the 685 would make much more sense with Stagecoach.
(05 Nov 2022, 10:06 am)peter The 10/11 and 317 are Nexus contracts...I'd hardly give them credit for making a good go of them, that's what they've been contracted to do. It could be Go North East or more likely Gateshead Central Taxis running them by March.Even Go North East would be suitable for route 685, from Hexham and possibly Gateshead depots.
If you exclude them, Stagecoach don't currently operate commercially within the area, they operate within the city of Newcastle. Arriva operate to Cramlington, Whitley Bay etc so it makes sense for the 43/44/45 and 51/52/53/54 to stay with them.
The 55 I could actually see in Stagecoach's network - most likely I see Arriva withdrawing it and it ending up a Nexus contract that Stagecoach could win.
I agree the 685 would make much more sense with Stagecoach.
(05 Nov 2022, 10:06 am)peter The 10/11 and 317 are Nexus contracts...I'd hardly give them credit for making a good go of them, that's what they've been contracted to do. It could be Go North East or more likely Gateshead Central Taxis running them by March.
If you exclude them, Stagecoach don't currently operate commercially within the area, they operate within the city of Newcastle. Arriva operate to Cramlington, Whitley Bay etc so it makes sense for the 43/44/45 and 51/52/53/54 to stay with them.
The 55 I could actually see in Stagecoach's network - most likely I see Arriva withdrawing it and it ending up a Nexus contract that Stagecoach could win.
I agree the 685 would make much more sense with Stagecoach.
Yet another shambles with ARRIVA on a Northern strike day. It isn't beyond the wit of man to do a couple of bus swaps on Friday at Eldon Square or Haymarket with services from Ashington or Blyth in order to allocate deckers on the 685 for Saturday. Ridiculous, and pretty basic stuff to get right.
(26 Nov 2022, 2:20 pm)DeltaMan Yet another shambles with ARRIVA on a Northern strike day. It isn't beyond the wit of man to do a couple of bus swaps on Friday at Eldon Square or Haymarket with services from Ashington or Blyth in order to allocate deckers on the 685 for Saturday. Ridiculous, and pretty basic stuff to get right.
(26 Nov 2022, 2:20 pm)DeltaMan Yet another shambles with ARRIVA on a Northern strike day. It isn't beyond the wit of man to do a couple of bus swaps on Friday at Eldon Square or Haymarket with services from Ashington or Blyth in order to allocate deckers on the 685 for Saturday. Ridiculous, and pretty basic stuff to get right.
(26 Nov 2022, 5:10 pm)Storx Could blame Northern instead rather than the bus company instead... Good on them for sticking it into Northern who they lost because of poor performance - rather ironic. It'd be the last company I'd be helping out if I was them.
GoNorthEast has minibuses on the 684 aswell for the record.
(26 Nov 2022, 5:10 pm)Storx Could blame Northern instead rather than the bus company instead... Good on them for sticking it into Northern who they lost because of poor performance - rather ironic. It'd be the last company I'd be helping out if I was them.
GoNorthEast has minibuses on the 684 aswell for the record.
(26 Nov 2022, 5:57 pm)DeltaMan Some operations or commercial manager at bus company hq wouldn't give two figs about rail franchise loses. ARRIVA know how busy saturday strike days are on the 685 are and do sweet FA. It's lazy and poor practice
