Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
(14 Jan 2023, 8:18 pm)Malarkey Could do something like this doing Clockwise/Anti-Clockwise Circuits:That's a good idea, but It's not something I feel like GNE would do, obviously, they can do anything they want but if they wanted to connect team Valley to Newcastle on a regular service they probably would just extend the 1/93/94.
Newcastle City Centre - Quayside/CentreLink or via Central Station/Redheugh Bridge - Team Valley Loop - MetroCentre via A1 - Gateshead Interchange - Newcastle City Centre
Does anyone think GNE would do anything like Stagecoach's Tees Flex service, I've never personally used it but it does sound like a good idea and if GNE offered a service like that I would defo give it a go, maybe a 2/3 month trial in the future or something like that just to see how it goes.
(14 Jan 2023, 8:18 pm)Malarkey Could do something like this doing Clockwise/Anti-Clockwise Circuits:That's a good idea, but It's not something I feel like GNE would do, obviously, they can do anything they want but if they wanted to connect team Valley to Newcastle on a regular service they probably would just extend the 1/93/94.
Newcastle City Centre - Quayside/CentreLink or via Central Station/Redheugh Bridge - Team Valley Loop - MetroCentre via A1 - Gateshead Interchange - Newcastle City Centre
(14 Jan 2023, 7:44 pm)V514DFT I agree with splitting the Q3, but why does the Q3A only go as far as Wallsend, thats not really connecting to the Quayside
(14 Jan 2023, 7:44 pm)V514DFT I agree with splitting the Q3, but why does the Q3A only go as far as Wallsend, thats not really connecting to the Quayside
The X10 should run every 30 mins between Newcastle and Peterlee with one every hour extending to Middlesbrough, every time I get the X10 during the week or a Saturday it is rammed from Dalton Park/Peterlee. There's been multiple times were I've stood going down the A19.
(14 Jan 2023, 7:44 pm)V514DFT I agree with splitting the Q3, but why does the Q3A only go as far as Wallsend, thats not really connecting to the Quayside
(14 Jan 2023, 7:44 pm)V514DFT I agree with splitting the Q3, but why does the Q3A only go as far as Wallsend, thats not really connecting to the Quayside
(15 Jan 2023, 7:28 pm)nova347 The X10 should run every 30 mins between Newcastle and Peterlee with one every hour extending to Middlesbrough, every time I get the X10 during the week or a Saturday it is rammed from Dalton Park/Peterlee. There's been multiple times were I've stood going down the A19.They've got vehicles capable of doing it if 6356-53 were utilised to Consett for the X71/X72.
(15 Jan 2023, 7:28 pm)nova347 The X10 should run every 30 mins between Newcastle and Peterlee with one every hour extending to Middlesbrough, every time I get the X10 during the week or a Saturday it is rammed from Dalton Park/Peterlee. There's been multiple times were I've stood going down the A19.They've got vehicles capable of doing it if 6356-53 were utilised to Consett for the X71/X72.
(16 Jan 2023, 8:21 pm)L469 YVK They've got vehicles capable of doing it if 6356-53 were utilised to Consett for the X71/X72.3 Spares at Consett really isn't enough, especially with the decrease in the reliability of the Hybrids, while there is 3 Corporate Liveried ones, they're all regularly in service on 16/16A/X5/X15
E400MMC:
- 6336-37 - Consett Spare
- 6338-40 - 47 & X71/X72
- 6341-48 - X30/X31/X45
- 6349 - Riverside Spare
- 6350-55 - X10 (PVR would be 6x if half hourly NCL to Peterlee)
StreetDeck:
- 6331-33 - Washington Spares
- 6356-63 - 47 & X71/X72
- 6364-74 - X1
- 6375 - Washington Spare
- 6376 - Consett Spare
- 6377 - Riverside Spare
B5TL:
- 6308-14 - X21
- 6333-34 - X21/Spare (or both X21 if PVR went back to 9x)
B9TL:
- 6043-48 - Various spares
(16 Jan 2023, 8:21 pm)L469 YVK They've got vehicles capable of doing it if 6356-53 were utilised to Consett for the X71/X72.3 Spares at Consett really isn't enough, especially with the decrease in the reliability of the Hybrids, while there is 3 Corporate Liveried ones, they're all regularly in service on 16/16A/X5/X15
E400MMC:
- 6336-37 - Consett Spare
- 6338-40 - 47 & X71/X72
- 6341-48 - X30/X31/X45
- 6349 - Riverside Spare
- 6350-55 - X10 (PVR would be 6x if half hourly NCL to Peterlee)
StreetDeck:
- 6331-33 - Washington Spares
- 6356-63 - 47 & X71/X72
- 6364-74 - X1
- 6375 - Washington Spare
- 6376 - Consett Spare
- 6377 - Riverside Spare
B5TL:
- 6308-14 - X21
- 6333-34 - X21/Spare (or both X21 if PVR went back to 9x)
B9TL:
- 6043-48 - Various spares
(17 Jan 2023, 3:14 am)Unber43 3 Spares at Consett really isn't enough, especially with the decrease in the reliability of the Hybrids, while there is 3 Corporate Liveried ones, they're all regularly in service on 16/16A/X5/X153 spares just to cover a Euro 6 PVR of 19x alone is enough though. Not forgetting that 6043-48 (also Euro 6) would be surplus if taken off the 47 with StreetDecks / E400MMC being used on the 47 instead.
(17 Jan 2023, 3:14 am)Unber43 3 Spares at Consett really isn't enough, especially with the decrease in the reliability of the Hybrids, while there is 3 Corporate Liveried ones, they're all regularly in service on 16/16A/X5/X153 spares just to cover a Euro 6 PVR of 19x alone is enough though. Not forgetting that 6043-48 (also Euro 6) would be surplus if taken off the 47 with StreetDecks / E400MMC being used on the 47 instead.
I was in Durham yesterday and I noticed 6049 which was on the 20A run not in service from Durham, what is the point in that.
Atleast you could bring back the X20 for these dead runs and just get it to go from Durham - non stop to Doxford Park then into Sunderland.
Also the first 20A on a Saturday is like 09:01 from Sunderland and from Durham its 10:19. For people working at Rainton bridge that is absolutely useless and anyone who did use the X20 wont anymore cos they cant get to work ontime, if anything the old X20 timetable should basically be the 20A timetable except it doesn't go to Langley Park (which it should tbh for the link)
(17 Jan 2023, 5:58 pm)Unber43 I was in Durham yesterday and I noticed 6049 which was on the 20A run not in service from Durham, what is the point in that.This might of been running light to sit some layover time in Sutton street as 20A has just over 20 minutes layover and it's not allowed to wait on milburngate on the stand
Atleast you could bring back the X20 for these dead runs and just get it to go from Durham - non stop to Doxford Park then into Sunderland.
Also the first 20A on a Saturday is like 09:01 from Sunderland and from Durham its 10:19. For people working at Rainton bridge that is absolutely useless and anyone who did use the X20 wont anymore cos they cant get to work ontime, if anything the old X20 timetable should basically be the 20A timetable except it doesn't go to Langley Park (which it should tbh for the link)
(17 Jan 2023, 5:58 pm)Unber43 I was in Durham yesterday and I noticed 6049 which was on the 20A run not in service from Durham, what is the point in that.This might of been running light to sit some layover time in Sutton street as 20A has just over 20 minutes layover and it's not allowed to wait on milburngate on the stand
Atleast you could bring back the X20 for these dead runs and just get it to go from Durham - non stop to Doxford Park then into Sunderland.
Also the first 20A on a Saturday is like 09:01 from Sunderland and from Durham its 10:19. For people working at Rainton bridge that is absolutely useless and anyone who did use the X20 wont anymore cos they cant get to work ontime, if anything the old X20 timetable should basically be the 20A timetable except it doesn't go to Langley Park (which it should tbh for the link)
(17 Jan 2023, 6:29 pm)Retro Nero This might of been running light to sit some layover time in Sutton street as 20A has just over 20 minutes layover and it's not allowed to wait on milburngate on the standBut the thing that annoys me is GNE actually took the 35 away from Rainton Bridge due to the X20 now thats cut. the 20A doesn't run as early/late as that did
(17 Jan 2023, 6:29 pm)Retro Nero This might of been running light to sit some layover time in Sutton street as 20A has just over 20 minutes layover and it's not allowed to wait on milburngate on the standBut the thing that annoys me is GNE actually took the 35 away from Rainton Bridge due to the X20 now thats cut. the 20A doesn't run as early/late as that did
What is the 20/20A like now since it was chopped from South Shields?, does its still suffer delays?, if so maybe split it again so its just Durham-Sunderland and revert the Langley-Durham section back to being a circular and have it as 14/14A, 14 runs onto the 20, 14A runs onto the 20A
(17 Jan 2023, 9:34 pm)V514DFT What is the 20/20A like now since it was chopped from South Shields?, does its still suffer delays?, if so maybe split it again so its just Durham-Sunderland and revert the Langley-Durham section back to being a circular and have it as 14/14A, 14 runs onto the 20, 14A runs onto the 20AStill regular delays of 10-15 mins. The layover in Park Lane heading back to Durham isn't good enough to change drivers and board people they regularly leave late, infact they probably leave late more than they do ontime.
(17 Jan 2023, 9:34 pm)V514DFT What is the 20/20A like now since it was chopped from South Shields?, does its still suffer delays?, if so maybe split it again so its just Durham-Sunderland and revert the Langley-Durham section back to being a circular and have it as 14/14A, 14 runs onto the 20, 14A runs onto the 20AStill regular delays of 10-15 mins. The layover in Park Lane heading back to Durham isn't good enough to change drivers and board people they regularly leave late, infact they probably leave late more than they do ontime.
If DCC were to use the money they got from the GOV, it would be perfect to bring back the 55/62 imo
55 - Peterlee - Easington - Houghton - Doxford Park - Silksworth Lane - Prospect Sunderland (every 60 mins)
61 - Murton - Dalton Park - New Seaham - Ryhope - Queen Alexandra Road - Tunstall Road - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
62 - Peterlee - Easington Village - Easington Lane - Murton - Seaham - Dawdon - Parkside - Station Road - A19 - Doxford Park - Silksworth Lane - Prospect - Sunderland (every 60 mins)
Roughly be a PVR of 8 which could have 8339-46 allocated.
This would make people of South Hetton/Easington Happy as they've got the 55 back, they've only got the 62 with a slightly longer route back for connections.
It would be every 30 mins to Sunderland/Doxford Park from Peterlee/Easington/Houghton (39A too)/ Doxford/Sunderland
I also think the X6 needs either an increase in frequency (i would prefer this one) using Ex-Little Pinks buses which aren't needed anymore, this could also stop the interworking of certain services which still do changeovers at Peterlee.
(28 Jan 2023, 6:58 pm)Acky81 Axe the 39a going to houghton as it’s always emptyEarly morning and peak times do carry quite a few between Doxford and Houghton
(28 Jan 2023, 6:58 pm)Acky81 Axe the 39a going to houghton as it’s always emptyEarly morning and peak times do carry quite a few between Doxford and Houghton
(28 Jan 2023, 7:04 pm)Retro Nero Early morning and peak times do carry quite a few between Doxford and Houghton
(28 Jan 2023, 8:45 am)Unber43 If DCC were to use the money they got from the GOV, it would be perfect to bring back the 55/62 imo
55 - Peterlee - Easington - Houghton - Doxford Park - Silksworth Lane - Prospect Sunderland (every 60 mins)
61 - Murton - Dalton Park - New Seaham - Ryhope - Queen Alexandra Road - Tunstall Road - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
62 - Peterlee - Easington Village - Easington Lane - Murton - Seaham - Dawdon - Parkside - Station Road - A19 - Doxford Park - Silksworth Lane - Prospect - Sunderland (every 60 mins)
Roughly be a PVR of 8 which could have 8339-46 allocated.
This would make people of South Hetton/Easington Happy as they've got the 55 back, they've only got the 62 with a slightly longer route back for connections.
It would be every 30 mins to Sunderland/Doxford Park from Peterlee/Easington/Houghton (39A too)/ Doxford/Sunderland
I also think the X6 needs either an increase in frequency (i would prefer this one) using Ex-Little Pinks buses which aren't needed anymore, this could also stop the interworking of certain services which still do changeovers at Peterlee.
(28 Jan 2023, 7:04 pm)Retro Nero Early morning and peak times do carry quite a few between Doxford and Houghton
(28 Jan 2023, 8:45 am)Unber43 If DCC were to use the money they got from the GOV, it would be perfect to bring back the 55/62 imo
55 - Peterlee - Easington - Houghton - Doxford Park - Silksworth Lane - Prospect Sunderland (every 60 mins)
61 - Murton - Dalton Park - New Seaham - Ryhope - Queen Alexandra Road - Tunstall Road - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
62 - Peterlee - Easington Village - Easington Lane - Murton - Seaham - Dawdon - Parkside - Station Road - A19 - Doxford Park - Silksworth Lane - Prospect - Sunderland (every 60 mins)
Roughly be a PVR of 8 which could have 8339-46 allocated.
This would make people of South Hetton/Easington Happy as they've got the 55 back, they've only got the 62 with a slightly longer route back for connections.
It would be every 30 mins to Sunderland/Doxford Park from Peterlee/Easington/Houghton (39A too)/ Doxford/Sunderland
I also think the X6 needs either an increase in frequency (i would prefer this one) using Ex-Little Pinks buses which aren't needed anymore, this could also stop the interworking of certain services which still do changeovers at Peterlee.
(28 Jan 2023, 8:45 am)Unber43 If DCC were to use the money they got from the GOV, it would be perfect to bring back the 55/62 imo
55 - Peterlee - Easington - Houghton - Doxford Park - Silksworth Lane - Prospect Sunderland (every 60 mins)
61 - Murton - Dalton Park - New Seaham - Ryhope - Queen Alexandra Road - Tunstall Road - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
62 - Peterlee - Easington Village - Easington Lane - Murton - Seaham - Dawdon - Parkside - Station Road - A19 - Doxford Park - Silksworth Lane - Prospect - Sunderland (every 60 mins)
Roughly be a PVR of 8 which could have 8339-46 allocated.
This would make people of South Hetton/Easington Happy as they've got the 55 back, they've only got the 62 with a slightly longer route back for connections.
It would be every 30 mins to Sunderland/Doxford Park from Peterlee/Easington/Houghton (39A too)/ Doxford/Sunderland
I also think the X6 needs either an increase in frequency (i would prefer this one) using Ex-Little Pinks buses which aren't needed anymore, this could also stop the interworking of certain services which still do changeovers at Peterlee.
(28 Jan 2023, 8:45 am)Unber43 If DCC were to use the money they got from the GOV, it would be perfect to bring back the 55/62 imo
55 - Peterlee - Easington - Houghton - Doxford Park - Silksworth Lane - Prospect Sunderland (every 60 mins)
61 - Murton - Dalton Park - New Seaham - Ryhope - Queen Alexandra Road - Tunstall Road - Sunderland (every 30 mins)
62 - Peterlee - Easington Village - Easington Lane - Murton - Seaham - Dawdon - Parkside - Station Road - A19 - Doxford Park - Silksworth Lane - Prospect - Sunderland (every 60 mins)
Roughly be a PVR of 8 which could have 8339-46 allocated.
This would make people of South Hetton/Easington Happy as they've got the 55 back, they've only got the 62 with a slightly longer route back for connections.
It would be every 30 mins to Sunderland/Doxford Park from Peterlee/Easington/Houghton (39A too)/ Doxford/Sunderland
I also think the X6 needs either an increase in frequency (i would prefer this one) using Ex-Little Pinks buses which aren't needed anymore, this could also stop the interworking of certain services which still do changeovers at Peterlee.
(28 Jan 2023, 8:44 pm)Storx imo that's just rehashing things, the whole lot needs totally redone imo. Personally I'd do something like this instead:Honestly i wouldn't take off the 33, atleast reduce it. I would also have the services serve atleast Prospect Lidl. 36/37 I would personally extend to South Hetton, at least one of them, if not both at every 30 mins. This would also improve frequency down the A690 which has been slashed 50%. While keeping the 33.
20 - Every 15 Minutes
20A - Withdrawn (Replaced by 35)
X20 - Withdrawn (Replaced by 35)
33 - Withdrawn (Replaced by 36/37/38)
55 - Sunderland to Boldon (Every 30 Minutes) - Current 35
35 - Sunderland to Langley Park (Every 30 Minutes) - https://www.google.com/maps/dir/54.90407...7e!1m0!3e0
36 - Sunderland to Houghton Le Spring - https://www.google.com/maps/dir/54.84235...906869!3e0 (Hourly)
37 - Sunderland to Hetton (Hourly) - https://www.google.com/maps/dir/54.82766...906869!3e0
38 - Sunderland to Birtley (Hourly) - https://www.google.com/maps/dir/54.89712...906869!3e0
60 - Remain every 15 minutes
61 - Withdrawn (Replaced by X7)
65 - Same Route (Hourly)
71 - Run 65 route through Northlea
79/79A (Nexus) - Withdrawn
39A Extension - Withdrawn
39B Extension - Withdrawn
82A (Nexus) - Withdrawn
X6 - Remain Hourly
X7 - X6 to Dalton Park, 61 Loop around Murton (Every 30 Minutes)
X8 - Old 62 Route
X6/X7/X8 - Combined every 15 minutes
36/37/38 - Combined every 20 minutes
It would do pretty much most your links there anyway plus more.
(28 Jan 2023, 8:44 pm)Storx imo that's just rehashing things, the whole lot needs totally redone imo. Personally I'd do something like this instead:Honestly i wouldn't take off the 33, atleast reduce it. I would also have the services serve atleast Prospect Lidl. 36/37 I would personally extend to South Hetton, at least one of them, if not both at every 30 mins. This would also improve frequency down the A690 which has been slashed 50%. While keeping the 33.
20 - Every 15 Minutes
20A - Withdrawn (Replaced by 35)
X20 - Withdrawn (Replaced by 35)
33 - Withdrawn (Replaced by 36/37/38)
55 - Sunderland to Boldon (Every 30 Minutes) - Current 35
35 - Sunderland to Langley Park (Every 30 Minutes) - https://www.google.com/maps/dir/54.90407...7e!1m0!3e0
36 - Sunderland to Houghton Le Spring - https://www.google.com/maps/dir/54.84235...906869!3e0 (Hourly)
37 - Sunderland to Hetton (Hourly) - https://www.google.com/maps/dir/54.82766...906869!3e0
38 - Sunderland to Birtley (Hourly) - https://www.google.com/maps/dir/54.89712...906869!3e0
60 - Remain every 15 minutes
61 - Withdrawn (Replaced by X7)
65 - Same Route (Hourly)
71 - Run 65 route through Northlea
79/79A (Nexus) - Withdrawn
39A Extension - Withdrawn
39B Extension - Withdrawn
82A (Nexus) - Withdrawn
X6 - Remain Hourly
X7 - X6 to Dalton Park, 61 Loop around Murton (Every 30 Minutes)
X8 - Old 62 Route
X6/X7/X8 - Combined every 15 minutes
36/37/38 - Combined every 20 minutes
It would do pretty much most your links there anyway plus more.
(28 Jan 2023, 9:07 pm)Unber43 Honestly i wouldn't take off the 33, atleast reduce it. I would also have the services serve atleast Prospect Lidl. 36/37 I would personally extend to South Hetton, at least one of them, if not both at every 30 mins. This would also improve frequency down the A690 which has been slashed 50%. While keeping the 33.
You'll never get the 11.5m bus through Northlea, aswell hourly it needs to be more.
X6/X7/X8 I would renumber them, X6 (X60, 61, 62) more simpler. 60 could do with a possibly re-increase to every 12 as it does struggle with reliability due to high loadings
The 71 could be extended onto a service to newcastle, which imo would make sense, however Northlea it would struggle, however I wonder if you could take the 62 via Northlea & along Ryhope.
You could do like Seaham - Houghton - Chester-Le-Street - Gateshead - Newcastle it could be the 21 which would open new links.
(28 Jan 2023, 9:07 pm)Unber43 Honestly i wouldn't take off the 33, atleast reduce it. I would also have the services serve atleast Prospect Lidl. 36/37 I would personally extend to South Hetton, at least one of them, if not both at every 30 mins. This would also improve frequency down the A690 which has been slashed 50%. While keeping the 33.
You'll never get the 11.5m bus through Northlea, aswell hourly it needs to be more.
X6/X7/X8 I would renumber them, X6 (X60, 61, 62) more simpler. 60 could do with a possibly re-increase to every 12 as it does struggle with reliability due to high loadings
The 71 could be extended onto a service to newcastle, which imo would make sense, however Northlea it would struggle, however I wonder if you could take the 62 via Northlea & along Ryhope.
You could do like Seaham - Houghton - Chester-Le-Street - Gateshead - Newcastle it could be the 21 which would open new links.
(28 Jan 2023, 9:27 pm)Storx The 33 isn't gone, it's just the 36/37/38 now instead but going further in the other direction. The idea was give the Hetton area a faster service to Sunderland without going on a magical mystery tour around every single estate in Sunderland and give them a link through to Dragonville and the Arnison direct which absorbing in the 82A, 39B, 82A, 79 and 79A which are just awful services into the 33. The 35 is running direct by the A690 instead btw.I think you could divert 35/36/37 via Prospect Lidl it would add a couple mins but add numerous more connections, meanwhile the 38 can continue on straight.
I think the X6/X7/X8 is better personally but suppose the numbering wouldn't make much difference. Think the 60 would be fine with those as people in the centre of Seaham would naturally move across to them which should reduce the 60 numbers enough for it to cope. I only added the X8/62 to even it out otherwise you'd have 3 buses an hour with the X6/X7 and an awkward 20/40 timetable in Murton.
Maybe an alternative could be to have the X6 run via Northleas running non-stop from the town hall but upped to every 30 minutes as a compromise for Peterlee passengers, think I'd personally prefer a slightly slower service by a couple of minutes but twice the frequency - hourly is hopeless, might make it sustainable.
I did have the bus through to South Hetton originally but then it would make the 62/X8 a little bit pointless as it would be duplicating other services.
(28 Jan 2023, 9:27 pm)Storx The 33 isn't gone, it's just the 36/37/38 now instead but going further in the other direction. The idea was give the Hetton area a faster service to Sunderland without going on a magical mystery tour around every single estate in Sunderland and give them a link through to Dragonville and the Arnison direct which absorbing in the 82A, 39B, 82A, 79 and 79A which are just awful services into the 33. The 35 is running direct by the A690 instead btw.I think you could divert 35/36/37 via Prospect Lidl it would add a couple mins but add numerous more connections, meanwhile the 38 can continue on straight.
I think the X6/X7/X8 is better personally but suppose the numbering wouldn't make much difference. Think the 60 would be fine with those as people in the centre of Seaham would naturally move across to them which should reduce the 60 numbers enough for it to cope. I only added the X8/62 to even it out otherwise you'd have 3 buses an hour with the X6/X7 and an awkward 20/40 timetable in Murton.
Maybe an alternative could be to have the X6 run via Northleas running non-stop from the town hall but upped to every 30 minutes as a compromise for Peterlee passengers, think I'd personally prefer a slightly slower service by a couple of minutes but twice the frequency - hourly is hopeless, might make it sustainable.
I did have the bus through to South Hetton originally but then it would make the 62/X8 a little bit pointless as it would be duplicating other services.
