I always think it's a shame they can't work with existing routes as extensions - just to pick a few out of the bag:

X75 and X76, plus 95 and 96
56 and 8 (Weardale)
6 and 85
1 and 84 to Stanley (Crook)
X46 and 84, other half (Crook)
113, 8A (Arriva)

They'd all arguably offer better services offering longer routes, rather that infrequent short routes to places where people don't want to be.

Decided to work out the PVR changes for July - a total of 22 buses being released. Prime candidates will presumably be Durham's Volvo's (8), Darlington/Durham's Solos (13), Ashington's Solos (6), the Centro's (2) and if they are indeed going, the Ecocitys (14) - presumably whatever's not seen off by these changes will be by the withdrawal of the 51-55 and the new electric buses - though ideally the latter would start seeing off the 57 plate E400's. 

1/X1/5 -3 = PVR 12
3/19 -2 = PVR 3
12 -2 = PVR 0
X21 -3 = PVR 0
X66/67 +1 = PVR 7
5A -1 = PVR 2
17 -1 = PVR 3
28/28A -1 = PVR 4
29 -1 = PVR 2
62 -2 = PVR 4
X2/3/64 -1 = PVR 10
X22 +1 = PVR 4
56 -2 = PVR 3
22/23/24 -3 = PVR 16
6 -2 = PVR 8

In terms of the X2/3/64 wouldn't be more ideal if the X2 and X3 were stand alone services
64 InterWorked with 62

(19 Jun 2023, 7:08 pm)Storx wrote I always think it's a shame they can't work with existing routes as extensions - just to pick a few out of the bag:

X75 and X76, plus 95 and 96
56 and 8 (Weardale)
6 and 85
1 and 84 to Stanley (Crook)
X46 and 84, other half (Crook)
113, 8A (Arriva)

They'd all arguably offer better services offering longer routes, rather that infrequent short routes to places where people don't want to be.

I wish the x46 went to stanhope again, an hourly from Stanhope to Durham would be great

PB0002717/592 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Whitby to Egton
Service number: 193
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 23 Aug 2023

(19 Jun 2023, 8:30 pm)peter wrote Decided to work out the PVR changes for July - a total of 22 buses being released. Prime candidates will presumably be Durham's Volvo's (8), Darlington/Durham's Solos (13), Ashington's Solos (6), the Centro's (2) and if they are indeed going, the Ecocitys (14) - presumably whatever's not seen off by these changes will be by the withdrawal of the 51-55 and the new electric buses - though ideally the latter would start seeing off the 57 plate E400's. 

1/X1/5 -3 = PVR 12
3/19 -2 = PVR 3
12 -2 = PVR 0
X21 -3 = PVR 0
X66/67 +1 = PVR 7
5A -1 = PVR 2
17 -1 = PVR 3
28/28A -1 = PVR 4
29 -1 = PVR 2
62 -2 = PVR 4
X2/3/64 -1 = PVR 10
X22 +1 = PVR 4
56 -2 = PVR 3
22/23/24 -3 = PVR 16
6 -2 = PVR 8

(23 Jun 2023, 3:39 pm)Michael wrote PB0002717/592 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Whitby to Egton
Service number: 193
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 23 Aug 2023

193 will be for Egton show. Last year they used streetlites on this

PB0002032/153 Cancelled
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: Newcastle to Forest Hall
Service number: 55 (55)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 03 Sep 2023


PB0002032/457 Cancelled
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: Newcastle to Whitley Bay
Service number: 54
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 03 Sep 2023


PB0002032/458 Cancelled
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: Newcastle to Whitley Bay via via Holystone
Service number: 51 (51)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 03 Sep 2023

PB0002032/476
Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 553 (553) Regent Centre Freeman Hospital

(26 Jun 2023, 6:39 pm)Michael wrote PB0002032/153 Cancelled
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: Newcastle to Forest Hall
Service number: 55 (55)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 03 Sep 2023


PB0002032/457 Cancelled
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: Newcastle to Whitley Bay
Service number: 54
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 03 Sep 2023


PB0002032/458 Cancelled
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: Newcastle to Whitley Bay via via Holystone
Service number: 51 (51)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 03 Sep 2023

PB0002032/476
Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 553 (553) Regent Centre Freeman Hospital

Wow there keeping the 553 that's shocking. That'll be some dead milage for the solos unless they get rid of the solos and swap it for a long bus. The variation will be the Freeman to Wallsend ish section I'm guessing

(26 Jun 2023, 8:59 pm)Busu284 wrote Wow there keeping the 553 that's shocking. That'll be some dead milage for the solos unless they get rid of the solos and swap it for a long bus. The variation will be the Freeman to Wallsend ish section I'm guessing

Battle Hill- Freeman is cancelled

(26 Jun 2023, 8:59 pm)Busu284 wrote Wow there keeping the 553 that's shocking. That'll be some dead milage for the solos unless they get rid of the solos and swap it for a long bus. The variation will be the Freeman to Wallsend ish section I'm guessing

I believe they have a contract with the hospital trust to run between Regent Centre and Freeman. They are cancelling the rest of the route. Lots of dead mileage, but assume it'll still make them money.

Some more revisions to the originally announced set of changes taking place next weekend following discussions with councillors and begging bowls.

Some aren't quite clear in this post circulating, 19 isn't withdrawn but revised to no longer serve West Park and is unclear which 5/5A they're referring to (presumably the one on Teesside).

There's also suggestions about some form of combination with services 12 & 17 at some stage in the future.

(28 Jun 2023, 8:33 pm)Jimmi wrote Some more revisions to the originally announced set of changes taking place next weekend following discussions with councillors and begging bowls.

Some aren't quite clear in this post circulating, 19 isn't withdrawn but revised to no longer serve West Park and is unclear which 5/5A they're referring to (presumably the one on Teesside).

There's also suggestions about some form of combination with services 12 & 17 at some stage in the future.

X3 series fully retained?!

(28 Jun 2023, 9:32 pm)Andreos1 wrote X3 series fully retained?!

Just a Sunday service.

(28 Jun 2023, 9:40 pm)Jimmi wrote Just a Sunday service.

Yeah they were tendering for two of the current three buses… the 81 got dropped so just an hourly Redcar-Lingdale service 3 (or X3 maybe?)


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(28 Jun 2023, 8:33 pm)Jimmi wrote Some more revisions to the originally announced set of changes taking place next weekend following discussions with councillors and begging bowls.

Some aren't quite clear in this post circulating, 19 isn't withdrawn but revised to no longer serve West Park and is unclear which 5/5A they're referring to (presumably the one on Teesside).

There's also suggestions about some form of combination with services 12 & 17 at some stage in the future.

It's likely the teesside 5/5a because the cuts for the darlington one where mostly just merging the 5 and 5a into a single 5, the sunday services on that aren't too badly affected

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(19 Jun 2023, 7:08 pm)Storx wrote I always think it's a shame they can't work with existing routes as extensions - just to pick a few out of the bag:

X75 and X76, plus 95 and 96
56 and 8 (Weardale)
6 and 85
1 and 84 to Stanley (Crook)
X46 and 84, other half (Crook)
113, 8A (Arriva)

They'd all arguably offer better services offering longer routes, rather that infrequent short routes to places where people don't want to be.

the 1 to tow law already does the 84 route to stanley, for x46 i think tow law and stanhope would be the best extensions as the crook estates don't need full arriva double deckers, with the 113 and 8a it likely wouldn't work because the 8 and 8a are interworked so there wouldn't be a way to add in the 113.

The following has appeared on the Northern Echo's website.

Crucial' Arriva Darlington services saved from cuts
Several “crucial” bus services connecting North East residents have been saved from cuts after a "last-minute agreement".
The number 12 service in Hurworth, Darlington has been saved after facing the axe after five local authorities "stepped in" to keep a number of key services for residents.
The 29 route, which serves Cypress Road in Marton, on Teesside, will now also be saved as both an evening and daytime service after lobbying, and the local authorities reaching agreements with service operators.
The 28 service will also continue to serve Nunthorpe Village, subject to Middlesbrough Council tackling road safety concerns.
Darlington's number 4 service has also been saved for Sunday and evenings, along with the D3 and 3A service for between Monday to Saturday.
It comes after residents feared their village could become isolated if plans to withdraw the "lifeline" number 12 service went ahead.
Passengers said dozens of people use the 12 each day for supermarket shopping, dental and hospital appointments and social engagements in Darlington and further afield.
Mayor Houchen said: “Cutting services was a commercial decision by Arriva after we gave them a fair and equitable offer based on Government guidelines and previous calculations.
“This decision was entirely out of our hands – and it was an incredibly disappointing one given all the support they’ve received in the past.
“But we’ve listened to local people’s concerns and know how important these vital services are, so have worked extremely hard behind the scenes to find a way forward. The solution has come with new Government funding, which we’re part-using to bolster these routes.
“I’m pleased the number 12 will keep running given its importance to Hurworth, and the number 17 will continue to ferry pupils to school in Eaglescliffe and Ingleby before the summer break.
We’re also protecting the number 29 in Middlesbrough and fighting to do whatever we can to support other services.”
A continued Sunday bus service for Saltburn, Skelton and Lingdale will also be maintained as part of the X3 service through to Middlesbrough.
Sadly, agreement could not be reached on the 5 service continuing to serve Skinningrove.
The new Stagecoach 2 service, however, will serve the village with a final service departing from the village at 10.15pm, Monday to Saturday.
Owing to Arriva's internal operational restrictions and trade union rules, there will be a gap in services between July 9 and early September subject to authorisation from the traffic commissioner. 
Simon Clarke, Conservative MP for Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland, said: “I welcome the news that our councils are largely stepping up to the plate with support from Tees Valley Mayor, Ben Houchen, in order to save the great majority of key services which were at risk.
Having spoken to hundreds of local people over recent weeks, I know exactly how vital these bus connections are for communities ranging from Marton all the way to the East Cleveland villages and this is what I've been emphasising to both our councils and Arriva.
I'm disappointed that Arriva and the trade unions are unable to find a way to avoid a gap in services over the summer, but this is a big improvement on where we were.
“I can commit that, as we move forward, I will be pressing the case for better services to those villages - North Skelton, New Skelton, Skelton Green and Boosbeck - which do not currently benefit from the new 1 and 2 services starting in July.
I will also make sure that the works required to ensure the 28 service continues to serve Nunthorpe Village are conducted by Middlesbrough Council.
“One thing it is really worth emphasising in East Cleveland is the excellent Teesflex service which can be booked online, on the app or by calling or by calling 0330 678 1545.”

Agreements have been reached on the following routes:
Service 12 – Darlington
Service 4 (Sunday and evenings) – Darlington
Service X3/X3A/3 (Sunday) – Middlesbrough and Redcar & Cleveland
Service D3/3A (Monday to Saturday) – Darlington
Service 17/17A/X17 – Middlesbrough and Stockton
Service 12 & 17 combined (exploring new future service)
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/2...aved-cuts/

A similar announcement has been made on the Tees Valley Combined Authority's website.
Council Agree Compromise Over Key Bus Services To Be Retained After Eleventh Hour Talks - Tees Valley (teesvalley-ca.gov.uk)

(29 Jun 2023, 12:12 am)XQ Zero wrote The following has appeared on the Northern Echo's website.

Crucial' Arriva Darlington services saved from cuts
Several “crucial” bus services connecting North East residents have been saved from cuts after a "last-minute agreement".
The number 12 service in Hurworth, Darlington has been saved after facing the axe after five local authorities "stepped in" to keep a number of key services for residents.
The 29 route, which serves Cypress Road in Marton, on Teesside, will now also be saved as both an evening and daytime service after lobbying, and the local authorities reaching agreements with service operators.
The 28 service will also continue to serve Nunthorpe Village, subject to Middlesbrough Council tackling road safety concerns.
Darlington's number 4 service has also been saved for Sunday and evenings, along with the D3 and 3A service for between Monday to Saturday.
It comes after residents feared their village could become isolated if plans to withdraw the "lifeline" number 12 service went ahead.
Passengers said dozens of people use the 12 each day for supermarket shopping, dental and hospital appointments and social engagements in Darlington and further afield.
Mayor Houchen said: “Cutting services was a commercial decision by Arriva after we gave them a fair and equitable offer based on Government guidelines and previous calculations.
“This decision was entirely out of our hands – and it was an incredibly disappointing one given all the support they’ve received in the past.
“But we’ve listened to local people’s concerns and know how important these vital services are, so have worked extremely hard behind the scenes to find a way forward. The solution has come with new Government funding, which we’re part-using to bolster these routes.
“I’m pleased the number 12 will keep running given its importance to Hurworth, and the number 17 will continue to ferry pupils to school in Eaglescliffe and Ingleby before the summer break.
We’re also protecting the number 29 in Middlesbrough and fighting to do whatever we can to support other services.”
A continued Sunday bus service for Saltburn, Skelton and Lingdale will also be maintained as part of the X3 service through to Middlesbrough.
Sadly, agreement could not be reached on the 5 service continuing to serve Skinningrove.
The new Stagecoach 2 service, however, will serve the village with a final service departing from the village at 10.15pm, Monday to Saturday.
Owing to Arriva's internal operational restrictions and trade union rules, there will be a gap in services between July 9 and early September subject to authorisation from the traffic commissioner. 
Simon Clarke, Conservative MP for Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland, said: “I welcome the news that our councils are largely stepping up to the plate with support from Tees Valley Mayor, Ben Houchen, in order to save the great majority of key services which were at risk.
Having spoken to hundreds of local people over recent weeks, I know exactly how vital these bus connections are for communities ranging from Marton all the way to the East Cleveland villages and this is what I've been emphasising to both our councils and Arriva.
I'm disappointed that Arriva and the trade unions are unable to find a way to avoid a gap in services over the summer, but this is a big improvement on where we were.
“I can commit that, as we move forward, I will be pressing the case for better services to those villages - North Skelton, New Skelton, Skelton Green and Boosbeck - which do not currently benefit from the new 1 and 2 services starting in July.
I will also make sure that the works required to ensure the 28 service continues to serve Nunthorpe Village are conducted by Middlesbrough Council.
“One thing it is really worth emphasising in East Cleveland is the excellent Teesflex service which can be booked online, on the app or by calling or by calling 0330 678 1545.”

Agreements have been reached on the following routes:
Service 12 – Darlington
Service 4 (Sunday and evenings) – Darlington
Service X3/X3A/3 (Sunday) – Middlesbrough and Redcar & Cleveland
Service D3/3A (Monday to Saturday) – Darlington
Service 17/17A/X17 – Middlesbrough and Stockton
Service 12 & 17 combined (exploring new future service)
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/2...aved-cuts/

A similar announcement has been made on the Tees Valley Combined Authority's website.
Council Agree Compromise Over Key Bus Services To Be Retained After Eleventh Hour Talks - Tees Valley (teesvalley-ca.gov.uk)

If the 12 and 17 combine it would be an interesting service and maybe long newton would be served by a bus.

(29 Jun 2023, 12:20 am)Countydurhambuses wrote If the 12 and 17 combine it would be an interesting service and maybe long newton would be served by a bus.

The reason for it will be so the loon in charge of Tees Valley can brag about linking his fantasy project (the airport) with a bus as it currently doesn't have one.

(29 Jun 2023, 7:34 am)Storx wrote The reason for it will be so the loon in charge of Tees Valley can brag about linking his fantasy project (the airport) with a bus as it currently doesn't have one.

I’m pretty sure Arriva have tried numerous times to link the airport and eaglescliffe/ Stockton/ Middlesbrough together, and it’s failed on all occasions in the shape of the 12/20

(29 Jun 2023, 12:29 pm)Stuartphin1639 wrote I’m pretty sure Arriva have tried numerous times to link the airport and eaglescliffe/ Stockton/ Middlesbrough together, and it’s failed on all occasions in the shape of the 12/20

Aye, sure they were subsidised at one point aswell as they got the MPD's which had the luggage racks for them, not sure on the numbers though.

Edit: Yeah, 737 see: https://farm1.staticflickr.com/98/242402...34515f.jpg

(29 Jun 2023, 7:31 pm)Storx wrote Aye, sure they were subsidised at one point aswell as they got the MPD's which had the luggage racks for them, not sure on the numbers though.

Edit: Yeah, 737 see: https://farm1.staticflickr.com/98/242402...34515f.jpg

Once again, local authorities definition of insanity.
Do the same thing over and over, expecting a different result.

The 737 was a direct link from Darlington Rail Station to Teesside Airport. It ran as an express and was separate to the local service 12. The 12 linked Hurworth, Darlington, Middleton , Airport to Longnewton, Urlay Nook , Yarm , Stockton and Middlesbrough. It didn't last long in this form before being shortened back to Hurworth Darlington Middleton Airport only.

(26 Jun 2023, 6:39 pm)Michael wrote PB0002032/153 Cancelled
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: Newcastle to Forest Hall
Service number: 55 (55)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 03 Sep 2023


PB0002032/457 Cancelled
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: Newcastle to Whitley Bay
Service number: 54
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 03 Sep 2023


PB0002032/458 Cancelled
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: Newcastle to Whitley Bay via via Holystone
Service number: 51 (51)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 03 Sep 2023

PB0002032/476
Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 553 (553) Regent Centre Freeman Hospital

Have the 52/53 been cancelled yet? Seems odd that the 51/54/55 cancellations, and 553 variation, have appeared without them.

(29 Jun 2023, 8:53 pm)RobinHood wrote Once again, local authorities definition of insanity.
Do the same thing over and over, expecting a different result.

I'm surprised they've not looked at some sort of variation for the X66/67 to be honest.

But that wouldn't suit the vanity project and would be too cheap.

So expect some sort of taxpayer funded 24/7, dedicated, SNE operated, shuttle/circular service to start any day now.

(29 Jun 2023, 9:30 pm)mb134 wrote Have the 52/53 been cancelled yet? Seems odd that the 51/54/55 cancellations, and 553 variation, have appeared without them.

52/53 also run in Northumberland, perhaps they haven’t got the relevant paperwork from the county council yet.

Arriva clarifies future of Tees Valley services after funding cuts - BBC News

More details about service 12 and 3/3A plus new services 17 and 18

(29 Jun 2023, 9:30 pm)mb134 wrote Have the 52/53 been cancelled yet? Seems odd that the 51/54/55 cancellations, and 553 variation, have appeared without them.

52/53 now cancelled on VOSA.

New time table in action today. And some people still waiting for a bus in marske and new marske

The Busesnortheast FB page has shared a screenshot from the Sleekburn Ward councillor, which indicates that Arriva are serving Cambois from September, with funding apparently in place for 3 years.