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31 Jul 2023, 11:23 pm #1,721
There used to be a similar through service, the X4/X14 from Saltburn - Maske - Redcar - Middlesbrough - Darlington - Shildon - Bishop Auckland, however the route suffered reliability issues due to the distance and the service was split at Middlesbrough rather than through works. Then the X14 was axed to bits before being replaced by the X66 between Darlington and Stockton. Only when Go North East came along with the OK1, Arriva decided to improve the X66 between Middlesbrough and Darlington.

Here is one of the DAF SB3000 / Plaxton Prima that were used on the service - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...9948527713

As the service got chopped up, it was reduced to using buses, usually a mix of Optare Delta and Optare Prismas, even Leyland Lynxes appeared, managed a Lynx between Bishop Auckland and Darlington, my regret was that I wish I had the time to go to Middlesbrough on it, wouldn't have minded a bit of Lynx thrash along the A66. https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...9710740792

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Rapidsnap
31 Jul 2023, 11:23 pm #1,721

There used to be a similar through service, the X4/X14 from Saltburn - Maske - Redcar - Middlesbrough - Darlington - Shildon - Bishop Auckland, however the route suffered reliability issues due to the distance and the service was split at Middlesbrough rather than through works. Then the X14 was axed to bits before being replaced by the X66 between Darlington and Stockton. Only when Go North East came along with the OK1, Arriva decided to improve the X66 between Middlesbrough and Darlington.

Here is one of the DAF SB3000 / Plaxton Prima that were used on the service - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...9948527713

As the service got chopped up, it was reduced to using buses, usually a mix of Optare Delta and Optare Prismas, even Leyland Lynxes appeared, managed a Lynx between Bishop Auckland and Darlington, my regret was that I wish I had the time to go to Middlesbrough on it, wouldn't have minded a bit of Lynx thrash along the A66. https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...9710740792


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glen



705
01 Aug 2023, 2:01 am #1,722
It showing at photo of a Mercedes-Benz minibus in white on Facebook stagecoach on Stockton depot in something done five 300 in exchange if read it Cleveland transit page of w white Mercedes minibus
glen
01 Aug 2023, 2:01 am #1,722

It showing at photo of a Mercedes-Benz minibus in white on Facebook stagecoach on Stockton depot in something done five 300 in exchange if read it Cleveland transit page of w white Mercedes minibus

RobinHood



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01 Aug 2023, 5:53 am #1,723
(01 Aug 2023, 2:01 am)glen It showing at photo of a Mercedes-Benz minibus in white on Facebook stagecoach on Stockton depot in something done five 300 in exchange if read it Cleveland transit page of w white Mercedes minibus

Three times I read this and it was more confusing each time
RobinHood
01 Aug 2023, 5:53 am #1,723

(01 Aug 2023, 2:01 am)glen It showing at photo of a Mercedes-Benz minibus in white on Facebook stagecoach on Stockton depot in something done five 300 in exchange if read it Cleveland transit page of w white Mercedes minibus

Three times I read this and it was more confusing each time

glen



705
01 Aug 2023, 7:17 am #1,724
Thanks for info mate
glen
01 Aug 2023, 7:17 am #1,724

Thanks for info mate

Storx



4,634
01 Aug 2023, 9:42 am #1,725
(31 Jul 2023, 11:23 pm)Rapidsnap There used to be a similar through service, the X4/X14 from Saltburn - Maske - Redcar - Middlesbrough - Darlington - Shildon - Bishop Auckland, however the route suffered reliability issues due to the distance and the service was split at Middlesbrough rather than through works. Then the X14 was axed to bits before being replaced by the X66 between Darlington and Stockton. Only when Go North East came along with the OK1, Arriva decided to improve the X66 between Middlesbrough and Darlington.

Here is one of the DAF SB3000 / Plaxton Prima that were used on the service - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...9948527713

As the service got chopped up, it was reduced to using buses, usually a mix of Optare Delta and Optare Prismas, even Leyland Lynxes appeared, managed a Lynx between Bishop Auckland and Darlington, my regret was that I wish I had the time to go to Middlesbrough on it, wouldn't have minded a bit of Lynx thrash along the A66. https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...9710740792

Yeah I had a feeling that the services would've had reliability issues from the length, mind I wouldn't like to be sitting on a Temsa for the length of it talking about buses. How buses have degraded over the years from the likes of the Lynx etc.
Storx
01 Aug 2023, 9:42 am #1,725

(31 Jul 2023, 11:23 pm)Rapidsnap There used to be a similar through service, the X4/X14 from Saltburn - Maske - Redcar - Middlesbrough - Darlington - Shildon - Bishop Auckland, however the route suffered reliability issues due to the distance and the service was split at Middlesbrough rather than through works. Then the X14 was axed to bits before being replaced by the X66 between Darlington and Stockton. Only when Go North East came along with the OK1, Arriva decided to improve the X66 between Middlesbrough and Darlington.

Here is one of the DAF SB3000 / Plaxton Prima that were used on the service - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...9948527713

As the service got chopped up, it was reduced to using buses, usually a mix of Optare Delta and Optare Prismas, even Leyland Lynxes appeared, managed a Lynx between Bishop Auckland and Darlington, my regret was that I wish I had the time to go to Middlesbrough on it, wouldn't have minded a bit of Lynx thrash along the A66. https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...9710740792

Yeah I had a feeling that the services would've had reliability issues from the length, mind I wouldn't like to be sitting on a Temsa for the length of it talking about buses. How buses have degraded over the years from the likes of the Lynx etc.

Jimmi



10,977
01 Aug 2023, 1:02 pm #1,726
(31 Jul 2023, 11:23 pm)Rapidsnap There used to be a similar through service, the X4/X14 from Saltburn - Maske - Redcar - Middlesbrough - Darlington - Shildon - Bishop Auckland, however the route suffered reliability issues due to the distance and the service was split at Middlesbrough rather than through works. Then the X14 was axed to bits before being replaced by the X66 between Darlington and Stockton. Only when Go North East came along with the OK1, Arriva decided to improve the X66 between Middlesbrough and Darlington.

Here is one of the DAF SB3000 / Plaxton Prima that were used on the service - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...9948527713

As the service got chopped up, it was reduced to using buses, usually a mix of Optare Delta and Optare Prismas, even Leyland Lynxes appeared, managed a Lynx between Bishop Auckland and Darlington, my regret was that I wish I had the time to go to Middlesbrough on it, wouldn't have minded a bit of Lynx thrash along the A66. https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...9710740792
Most of the improvements to the X66 occurred before and after the brief period the OK1 ran to Boro, increased to a half hourly frequency around 2010 when coaches were put on the service then X67 came along in 2015 after the MAX upgrade a year prior. Only thing that really changed around the time of the OK1 was the allocation from coaches to Omni's which the OK1 may have had an affect on but was also likely down to complaints and legal challenges surrounding the poor accessibility of the coaches on the service.
Jimmi
01 Aug 2023, 1:02 pm #1,726

(31 Jul 2023, 11:23 pm)Rapidsnap There used to be a similar through service, the X4/X14 from Saltburn - Maske - Redcar - Middlesbrough - Darlington - Shildon - Bishop Auckland, however the route suffered reliability issues due to the distance and the service was split at Middlesbrough rather than through works. Then the X14 was axed to bits before being replaced by the X66 between Darlington and Stockton. Only when Go North East came along with the OK1, Arriva decided to improve the X66 between Middlesbrough and Darlington.

Here is one of the DAF SB3000 / Plaxton Prima that were used on the service - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...9948527713

As the service got chopped up, it was reduced to using buses, usually a mix of Optare Delta and Optare Prismas, even Leyland Lynxes appeared, managed a Lynx between Bishop Auckland and Darlington, my regret was that I wish I had the time to go to Middlesbrough on it, wouldn't have minded a bit of Lynx thrash along the A66. https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...9710740792
Most of the improvements to the X66 occurred before and after the brief period the OK1 ran to Boro, increased to a half hourly frequency around 2010 when coaches were put on the service then X67 came along in 2015 after the MAX upgrade a year prior. Only thing that really changed around the time of the OK1 was the allocation from coaches to Omni's which the OK1 may have had an affect on but was also likely down to complaints and legal challenges surrounding the poor accessibility of the coaches on the service.

glen



705
03 Aug 2023, 12:39 am #1,727
Why the E200mmc have not been repaint in new colours yet? Why have no been took of the Stockton E200mmc?
glen
03 Aug 2023, 12:39 am #1,727

Why the E200mmc have not been repaint in new colours yet? Why have no been took of the Stockton E200mmc?

03 Aug 2023, 5:21 pm #1,728
(03 Aug 2023, 12:39 am)glen Why the E200mmc have not been repaint in new colours yet? Why have no been took of the Stockton E200mmc?

Has been plenty of older/less recently painted stuff than those to do first
stagecoachbusdepot
03 Aug 2023, 5:21 pm #1,728

(03 Aug 2023, 12:39 am)glen Why the E200mmc have not been repaint in new colours yet? Why have no been took of the Stockton E200mmc?

Has been plenty of older/less recently painted stuff than those to do first

glen



705
03 Aug 2023, 5:35 pm #1,729
Thanks for info mate
glen
03 Aug 2023, 5:35 pm #1,729

Thanks for info mate

Lollist



193
05 Aug 2023, 1:04 pm #1,730
(07 Apr 2023, 2:08 am)glen All like to see is new buses come stagecoach north east  if for Newcastle or Sunderland or south shield or Teesside and hartlepool to

(03 Aug 2023, 5:21 pm)stagecoachbusdepot Has been plenty of older/less recently painted stuff than those to do first
Yeah they seem to love painting buses they withdraw 2 weeks after
Lollist
05 Aug 2023, 1:04 pm #1,730

(07 Apr 2023, 2:08 am)glen All like to see is new buses come stagecoach north east  if for Newcastle or Sunderland or south shield or Teesside and hartlepool to

(03 Aug 2023, 5:21 pm)stagecoachbusdepot Has been plenty of older/less recently painted stuff than those to do first
Yeah they seem to love painting buses they withdraw 2 weeks after

glen



705
05 Aug 2023, 2:23 pm #1,731
Why paint the alx300 when going to withdrawn them in the first place?
glen
05 Aug 2023, 2:23 pm #1,731

Why paint the alx300 when going to withdrawn them in the first place?

tyresmoke



5,323
05 Aug 2023, 3:07 pm #1,732
(05 Aug 2023, 1:04 pm)Lollist Yeah they seem to love painting buses they withdraw 2 weeks after


All of Stockton’s Olympians got done about 6 months before they were withdrawn…


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05 Aug 2023, 3:07 pm #1,732

(05 Aug 2023, 1:04 pm)Lollist Yeah they seem to love painting buses they withdraw 2 weeks after


All of Stockton’s Olympians got done about 6 months before they were withdrawn…


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05 Aug 2023, 3:35 pm #1,733
(03 Aug 2023, 5:21 pm)stagecoachbusdepot Has been plenty of older/less recently painted stuff than those to do first

Yep like the 60 plate E400's which havent even saw a refresh since they were new, im sure even the 58 reg E400's had some form of refresh when they were debranded for the 1 not sure on the batch that were branded for the 22 mind

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Tez
V514DFT
05 Aug 2023, 3:35 pm #1,733

(03 Aug 2023, 5:21 pm)stagecoachbusdepot Has been plenty of older/less recently painted stuff than those to do first

Yep like the 60 plate E400's which havent even saw a refresh since they were new, im sure even the 58 reg E400's had some form of refresh when they were debranded for the 1 not sure on the batch that were branded for the 22 mind


Kind Regards
Tez

05 Aug 2023, 9:57 pm #1,734
(05 Aug 2023, 3:35 pm)V514DFT Yep like the 60 plate E400's which havent even saw a refresh since they were new, im sure even the 58 reg E400's had some form of refresh when they were debranded for the 1 not sure on the batch that were branded for the 22 mind

Most of them were repainted in 2016/17 when they ditched the Club22 branding.  Exceptions being 19387 which retained the Club22 branding a couple of years longer and of course 19385 which is still running around with the defunct branding applied.
stagecoachbusdepot
05 Aug 2023, 9:57 pm #1,734

(05 Aug 2023, 3:35 pm)V514DFT Yep like the 60 plate E400's which havent even saw a refresh since they were new, im sure even the 58 reg E400's had some form of refresh when they were debranded for the 1 not sure on the batch that were branded for the 22 mind

Most of them were repainted in 2016/17 when they ditched the Club22 branding.  Exceptions being 19387 which retained the Club22 branding a couple of years longer and of course 19385 which is still running around with the defunct branding applied.

06 Aug 2023, 1:59 am #1,735
(25 Jul 2023, 10:19 am)Kuyoyo For the last time, Hartlepool won't be getting full size buses on long-term allocation.
Hopefully, at least some of the ALXs are revived when someone realised the real vehicles that should be stood down after these changes are the 275xx E300s - given 27508 has now been VOR for the best part of 4 years, and 27507 is also now dumped in the dead row after the weekend. None of the drivers like them and they have the turning circle of a cruise ship. Plus they are actually the oldest vehicles in the fleet left in front-line service.

i do think it could also make to take the worst of the fleet out of service first, theres plenty to choose from the like of the GEN 1 E300s, the 08 E300s, the MANviro E200s to name a few, obviously if an ALX300 is on its last legs then fair enough but removing them because of age alone i think is ridiculous
toward6931
06 Aug 2023, 1:59 am #1,735

(25 Jul 2023, 10:19 am)Kuyoyo For the last time, Hartlepool won't be getting full size buses on long-term allocation.
Hopefully, at least some of the ALXs are revived when someone realised the real vehicles that should be stood down after these changes are the 275xx E300s - given 27508 has now been VOR for the best part of 4 years, and 27507 is also now dumped in the dead row after the weekend. None of the drivers like them and they have the turning circle of a cruise ship. Plus they are actually the oldest vehicles in the fleet left in front-line service.

i do think it could also make to take the worst of the fleet out of service first, theres plenty to choose from the like of the GEN 1 E300s, the 08 E300s, the MANviro E200s to name a few, obviously if an ALX300 is on its last legs then fair enough but removing them because of age alone i think is ridiculous

06 Aug 2023, 2:12 am #1,736
(23 Jul 2023, 6:19 pm)Storx They're going to Walkergate according to the Stagecoach fleet lists and the 62/63 is based at Slatyford so can't see that.

I have a feeling the second batch will directly replace buses on either the 12 or 38 but this lot is unknown. They've blatantly been redirected to here to get arid of the gas buses from Sunderland. It won't be a co-incidence that there's 14 buses being redirected + the 20 electrics just happens to total the number of gas buses ignoring the few which have semi been withdrawn.

If I had to take a punt, I'll say it's the 60 Plate Enviro 400's and 27723 - 27725 which will end up going to Sunderland. They've gradually been moving the 60 plates out over the past few years and the rest of the 11 plates are already there. More singles could move out aswell tbh, there's absolutely no need for 14 singles for a PVR 5 as the 317 is the only single decker route at Walkergate.

i think the reason for an overly large amount of singles at walkergate was to help with the increasingly unreliability of the hybrids, mind you if there's 24 new MMCs earmarked you could send all 26? (correct me if im wrong) hybrids to Sunderland. using 2 of the spare singles to cover for the missing 2 that would make 26

i would then use that as an excuse to remove 13 gas buses from service ready for transfer to wherever until Sunderland has got used to operating the hybrids, the excess singles at walkergate could potentially be used to either oust further gas buses or helping to oust either the MANviro E200s
toward6931
06 Aug 2023, 2:12 am #1,736

(23 Jul 2023, 6:19 pm)Storx They're going to Walkergate according to the Stagecoach fleet lists and the 62/63 is based at Slatyford so can't see that.

I have a feeling the second batch will directly replace buses on either the 12 or 38 but this lot is unknown. They've blatantly been redirected to here to get arid of the gas buses from Sunderland. It won't be a co-incidence that there's 14 buses being redirected + the 20 electrics just happens to total the number of gas buses ignoring the few which have semi been withdrawn.

If I had to take a punt, I'll say it's the 60 Plate Enviro 400's and 27723 - 27725 which will end up going to Sunderland. They've gradually been moving the 60 plates out over the past few years and the rest of the 11 plates are already there. More singles could move out aswell tbh, there's absolutely no need for 14 singles for a PVR 5 as the 317 is the only single decker route at Walkergate.

i think the reason for an overly large amount of singles at walkergate was to help with the increasingly unreliability of the hybrids, mind you if there's 24 new MMCs earmarked you could send all 26? (correct me if im wrong) hybrids to Sunderland. using 2 of the spare singles to cover for the missing 2 that would make 26

i would then use that as an excuse to remove 13 gas buses from service ready for transfer to wherever until Sunderland has got used to operating the hybrids, the excess singles at walkergate could potentially be used to either oust further gas buses or helping to oust either the MANviro E200s

Storx



4,634
06 Aug 2023, 10:32 am #1,737
(06 Aug 2023, 2:12 am)toward6931 i think the reason for an overly large amount of singles at walkergate was to help with the increasingly unreliability of the hybrids, mind you if there's 24 new MMCs earmarked you could send all 26? (correct me if im wrong) hybrids to Sunderland. using 2 of the spare singles to cover for the missing 2 that would make 26

i would then use that as an excuse to remove 13 gas buses from service ready for transfer to wherever until Sunderland has got used to operating the hybrids, the excess singles at walkergate could potentially be used to either oust further gas buses or helping to oust either the MANviro E200s

Aye I believe you're right there.

Even known I don't disagree, I'm not sure Sunderland will be open on taking the Hybrid's on. I could imagine there'll be a massive backlash losing the gas buses (which as far as I'm aware are generally liked by the driver's) and getting the Hybrids which well less said about them. I have a feeling they'll get the 60 plates or whatever instead personally, with the hybrids limping on at Walkergate until they go to scrap.
Storx
06 Aug 2023, 10:32 am #1,737

(06 Aug 2023, 2:12 am)toward6931 i think the reason for an overly large amount of singles at walkergate was to help with the increasingly unreliability of the hybrids, mind you if there's 24 new MMCs earmarked you could send all 26? (correct me if im wrong) hybrids to Sunderland. using 2 of the spare singles to cover for the missing 2 that would make 26

i would then use that as an excuse to remove 13 gas buses from service ready for transfer to wherever until Sunderland has got used to operating the hybrids, the excess singles at walkergate could potentially be used to either oust further gas buses or helping to oust either the MANviro E200s

Aye I believe you're right there.

Even known I don't disagree, I'm not sure Sunderland will be open on taking the Hybrid's on. I could imagine there'll be a massive backlash losing the gas buses (which as far as I'm aware are generally liked by the driver's) and getting the Hybrids which well less said about them. I have a feeling they'll get the 60 plates or whatever instead personally, with the hybrids limping on at Walkergate until they go to scrap.

Michael



19,177
06 Aug 2023, 10:41 am #1,738
(06 Aug 2023, 10:32 am)Storx Aye I believe you're right there.

Even known I don't disagree, I'm not sure Sunderland will be open on taking the Hybrid's on. I could imagine there'll be a massive backlash losing the gas buses (which as far as I'm aware are generally liked by the driver's) and getting the Hybrids which well less said about them. I have a feeling they'll get the 60 plates or whatever instead personally, with the hybrids limping on at Walkergate until they go to scrap.

Rather not have the Hybrids tbh, rather keep the gas buses.


Its been over a month now since the changes and I can give a little review and say, the changes have made the services worse for reliability, always late but on a good side of things, the buses are busy - so older deckers might not be a bad temp replacement for them...


or... the 60 reg deckers could just replace the Hybrids at Newcastle?

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Michael
06 Aug 2023, 10:41 am #1,738

(06 Aug 2023, 10:32 am)Storx Aye I believe you're right there.

Even known I don't disagree, I'm not sure Sunderland will be open on taking the Hybrid's on. I could imagine there'll be a massive backlash losing the gas buses (which as far as I'm aware are generally liked by the driver's) and getting the Hybrids which well less said about them. I have a feeling they'll get the 60 plates or whatever instead personally, with the hybrids limping on at Walkergate until they go to scrap.

Rather not have the Hybrids tbh, rather keep the gas buses.


Its been over a month now since the changes and I can give a little review and say, the changes have made the services worse for reliability, always late but on a good side of things, the buses are busy - so older deckers might not be a bad temp replacement for them...


or... the 60 reg deckers could just replace the Hybrids at Newcastle?


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

glen



705
06 Aug 2023, 12:18 pm #1,739
Have all alx300 man's go now why all have be man's been withdrawn now that mean Stockton depot short on buses then?
glen
06 Aug 2023, 12:18 pm #1,739

Have all alx300 man's go now why all have be man's been withdrawn now that mean Stockton depot short on buses then?

tyresmoke



5,323
06 Aug 2023, 12:20 pm #1,740
(06 Aug 2023, 12:18 pm)glen Have all alx300 man's go now why all have be man's been withdrawn now that mean Stockton depot short on buses then?


No because as explained the services have been reduced and lost about 5 or 6 buses out of the requirement at Stockton.
Of course 4 are going back in in a couple of weeks… who knows what they’ll get to cover that


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06 Aug 2023, 12:20 pm #1,740

(06 Aug 2023, 12:18 pm)glen Have all alx300 man's go now why all have be man's been withdrawn now that mean Stockton depot short on buses then?


No because as explained the services have been reduced and lost about 5 or 6 buses out of the requirement at Stockton.
Of course 4 are going back in in a couple of weeks… who knows what they’ll get to cover that


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