Disruptions and driver shortages
Disruptions and driver shortages
(12 Sep 2023, 4:35 am)Dan Happy to be corrected by any of the Stagecoach drivers on this forum, but my understanding is that their drivers are paid for dead runs but not for the time they drive a van to a relief point at the start or end of their shift, or before and after their break.
For example, Stagecoach services 10/11 in Sunderland relieve at the Winter Gardens. From the moment the driver is scheduled to arrive at the Winter Gardens, s/he is then ‘off the clock’ (whilst travelling back to the Wheatsheaf).
This is quite common practice in the industry. You will find that Arriva drivers aren’t paid to travel on the staff shuttle between Belmont and Durham City Centre too.
As I mentioned above, Go North East’s terms and conditions are more favourable to drivers - presently at all depots barring Riverside and Hexham, this travel time is paid (ie between Park Lane and Deptford, or Hownsgill and Consett Bus Station).
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(12 Sep 2023, 4:35 am)Dan Happy to be corrected by any of the Stagecoach drivers on this forum, but my understanding is that their drivers are paid for dead runs but not for the time they drive a van to a relief point at the start or end of their shift, or before and after their break.
For example, Stagecoach services 10/11 in Sunderland relieve at the Winter Gardens. From the moment the driver is scheduled to arrive at the Winter Gardens, s/he is then ‘off the clock’ (whilst travelling back to the Wheatsheaf).
This is quite common practice in the industry. You will find that Arriva drivers aren’t paid to travel on the staff shuttle between Belmont and Durham City Centre too.
As I mentioned above, Go North East’s terms and conditions are more favourable to drivers - presently at all depots barring Riverside and Hexham, this travel time is paid (ie between Park Lane and Deptford, or Hownsgill and Consett Bus Station).
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(12 Sep 2023, 4:35 am)Dan This is quite common practice in the industry. You will find that Arriva drivers aren’t paid to travel on the staff shuttle between Belmont and Durham City Centre too.
As I mentioned above, Go North East’s terms and conditions are more favourable to drivers - presently at all depots barring Riverside and Hexham, this travel time is paid (ie between Park Lane and Deptford, or Hownsgill and Consett Bus Station).
(12 Sep 2023, 4:35 am)Dan This is quite common practice in the industry. You will find that Arriva drivers aren’t paid to travel on the staff shuttle between Belmont and Durham City Centre too.
As I mentioned above, Go North East’s terms and conditions are more favourable to drivers - presently at all depots barring Riverside and Hexham, this travel time is paid (ie between Park Lane and Deptford, or Hownsgill and Consett Bus Station).
(12 Sep 2023, 4:35 am)Dan Happy to be corrected by any of the Stagecoach drivers on this forum, but my understanding is that their drivers are paid for dead runs but not for the time they drive a van to a relief point at the start or end of their shift, or before and after their break.
For example, Stagecoach services 10/11 in Sunderland relieve at the Winter Gardens. From the moment the driver is scheduled to arrive at the Winter Gardens, s/he is then ‘off the clock’ (whilst travelling back to the Wheatsheaf).
(12 Sep 2023, 4:35 am)Dan Happy to be corrected by any of the Stagecoach drivers on this forum, but my understanding is that their drivers are paid for dead runs but not for the time they drive a van to a relief point at the start or end of their shift, or before and after their break.
For example, Stagecoach services 10/11 in Sunderland relieve at the Winter Gardens. From the moment the driver is scheduled to arrive at the Winter Gardens, s/he is then ‘off the clock’ (whilst travelling back to the Wheatsheaf).
What a disgrace, the last 3 309 services from Newcastle don't appear to be operating whatsoever.
Cobalt & Coast 307
The following full journeys will not operate
From Newcastle: 10:55, 15:55
From North Shields: 11:55, 14:55, 17:05, 20:38
The following journeys will only run as far as Norham Road/Verne Road
From Newcastle: 13:55
The following journeys will start at Norham Road/Verne Road
From Newcastle: 12:55
Cobalt & Coast 309
The following full journeys will not operate
From Newcastle: 18:40, 19:30, 21:30, 22:30, 23:45
From Blyth: 17:21, 20:45, 22:50
The following journeys will only run as far as New York
From Newcastle: 17:15
From Blyth: 12:26
The following journeys will start at New York
From Newcastle: 16:10
From Blyth: 20:50
And there's no way that is all of the cancellations listed, there's been lots of gaps on the service this morning. Absolute shambles.
(13 Sep 2023, 10:26 am)Thomas12 What a disgrace, the last 3 309 services from Newcastle don't appear to be operating whatsoever.
(13 Sep 2023, 10:26 am)Thomas12 What a disgrace, the last 3 309 services from Newcastle don't appear to be operating whatsoever.
(13 Sep 2023, 11:46 am)Adrian I remember once upon a time, they'd commit to always ensure the last bus of the day ran. Nowadays, most operators think that sticking a notice up is their job done.I was on the last X21 to West Auckland a few weeks back and it broke down.
Catch the Bus month... only you can't.
(13 Sep 2023, 11:46 am)Adrian I remember once upon a time, they'd commit to always ensure the last bus of the day ran. Nowadays, most operators think that sticking a notice up is their job done.I was on the last X21 to West Auckland a few weeks back and it broke down.
Catch the Bus month... only you can't.
(11 Sep 2023, 11:50 am)mb134 If Bustimes is to be believed, there have been a few North Tyne Rockets cancelled:
352: 0755, 1000, 1200 from Haymarket. 0825 from Cramlington.
353: 0707 from North Shields. 0900 from Cramlington, and 1100 from Cramlington was picked up at New York.
Think there's a couple of 355s too.
Vehicles which have subsequently tracked on some of those boards, as far as I can tell, have previously tracked today so it doesn't appear to be a tracking issue.
The Arriva Blyth situation doesn't seem to have improved much against last week either, there appears to be an X10/11 missing, currently one X7/8/9 missing (and a breakdown), and a 308 board missing.
(13 Sep 2023, 3:11 pm)j986986 The amount of cancellations from Percy Main now is a joke, especially the 309. Why take on so many new services if you have to cancel a busy bus route for 3 hours on a night time. Last 309 now is at 20:30pm instead of 23:45pm.
(11 Sep 2023, 11:50 am)mb134 If Bustimes is to be believed, there have been a few North Tyne Rockets cancelled:
352: 0755, 1000, 1200 from Haymarket. 0825 from Cramlington.
353: 0707 from North Shields. 0900 from Cramlington, and 1100 from Cramlington was picked up at New York.
Think there's a couple of 355s too.
Vehicles which have subsequently tracked on some of those boards, as far as I can tell, have previously tracked today so it doesn't appear to be a tracking issue.
The Arriva Blyth situation doesn't seem to have improved much against last week either, there appears to be an X10/11 missing, currently one X7/8/9 missing (and a breakdown), and a 308 board missing.
(13 Sep 2023, 3:11 pm)j986986 The amount of cancellations from Percy Main now is a joke, especially the 309. Why take on so many new services if you have to cancel a busy bus route for 3 hours on a night time. Last 309 now is at 20:30pm instead of 23:45pm.
It appears the X39 afternoon runs didn’t run again
Sure all this new contract and commercial work is worth pissing off your existing customer base?
Yet more proof the management aren’t up to the task and are making poor decisions
(13 Sep 2023, 4:58 pm)DaveFromUpNorth Last night the last 307 (2300 from haymarket) regular old man who has no smart phone was contemplating having to stay in town all night until the first bus the next day...
Luckily after a few thinking heads I was able to direct him to get the last 1 service so it was closer to his house
(13 Sep 2023, 4:58 pm)DaveFromUpNorth Last night the last 307 (2300 from haymarket) regular old man who has no smart phone was contemplating having to stay in town all night until the first bus the next day...
Luckily after a few thinking heads I was able to direct him to get the last 1 service so it was closer to his house
(13 Sep 2023, 7:24 pm)Ambassador It appears the X39 afternoon runs didn’t run again
Sure all this new contract and commercial work is worth pissing off your existing customer base?
Yet more proof the management aren’t up to the task and are making poor decisions
(13 Sep 2023, 7:24 pm)Ambassador It appears the X39 afternoon runs didn’t run again
Sure all this new contract and commercial work is worth pissing off your existing customer base?
Yet more proof the management aren’t up to the task and are making poor decisions
Absolutely pathetic tomorrow
The following 553 journey will not run
From Freeman Hospital 16.18/17.18. They have cancelled both and they run of the 665N school run
352/353/354/355 all have cancelled services tomorrow
1 has loads of cancelled services
41/41A starting to see runs cancelled
(13 Sep 2023, 7:24 pm)Ambassador It appears the X39 afternoon runs didn’t run again
Sure all this new contract and commercial work is worth pissing off your existing customer base?
Yet more proof the management aren’t up to the task and are making poor decisions
(13 Sep 2023, 7:24 pm)Ambassador It appears the X39 afternoon runs didn’t run again
Sure all this new contract and commercial work is worth pissing off your existing customer base?
Yet more proof the management aren’t up to the task and are making poor decisions
(13 Sep 2023, 8:05 pm)Storx They should just cancel the 352 and 354 outright imo.
They're just duplicates of the 37 (SNE) and 359 anyway for the unique sections anyway.
Anyone using the 352 must have an issue with Stagecoach as there's absolutely no other reason to use it and the 354 has been a basket case for years. Would free up 4 boards immediately.
(13 Sep 2023, 8:05 pm)Storx They should just cancel the 352 and 354 outright imo.
They're just duplicates of the 37 (SNE) and 359 anyway for the unique sections anyway.
Anyone using the 352 must have an issue with Stagecoach as there's absolutely no other reason to use it and the 354 has been a basket case for years. Would free up 4 boards immediately.
(13 Sep 2023, 8:13 pm)j986986 The 354 is pretty well used and provides links from Killingworth and Shiremoor to Gosforth and South Gosforth.
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(13 Sep 2023, 8:15 pm)Adrian Nothing should be cancelled outright. Get a grip on the recruitment and retention issues instead.
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(13 Sep 2023, 8:13 pm)j986986 The 354 is pretty well used and provides links from Killingworth and Shiremoor to Gosforth and South Gosforth.
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(13 Sep 2023, 8:15 pm)Adrian Nothing should be cancelled outright. Get a grip on the recruitment and retention issues instead.
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(13 Sep 2023, 7:59 pm)Busu284 Absolutely pathetic tomorrow
The following 553 journey will not run
From Freeman Hospital 16.18/17.18. They have cancelled both and they run of the 665N school run
352/353/354/355 all have cancelled services tomorrow
1 has loads of cancelled services
41/41A starting to see runs cancelled
(13 Sep 2023, 7:59 pm)Busu284 Absolutely pathetic tomorrow
The following 553 journey will not run
From Freeman Hospital 16.18/17.18. They have cancelled both and they run of the 665N school run
352/353/354/355 all have cancelled services tomorrow
1 has loads of cancelled services
41/41A starting to see runs cancelled