Was in Newcastle today and saw several single deckers on the 39/49/22/62/63 some looked very cosy indeed

(18 Sep 2023, 6:57 pm)Unber43 wrote Was in Newcastle today and saw several single deckers on the 39/49/22/62/63 some looked very cosy indeed

Single-decks have been in very regular use on double-deck services in Newcastle for some time now.

It used to be fairly infrequent but seems to be incredibly common now.


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Not sure where this should go but Stagecoach are now refusing to serve Witherwack Shops after 6pm until further notice, due to increasing problems with antisocial behaviour.

Have all 11 reg E400 at Newcastle depot go then?

(22 Sep 2023, 1:11 am)glen wrote Have all 11 reg E400 at Newcastle depot go then?

Not yet only 8 have went to Manchester upto now

Thanks for info mate

11618 is finally here. YX73 registration plate. Guessing due to problems at the depot

It seems 34611 has been scrapped unless any knows different as not been out in service since early August and no longer on bus times.

Meanwhile 22409 is spending the day on the Hartlepool 6/7s.

Lord Steven Knight @ STEVEN KNIGHT MEDIA (SKM)

Stagecoach Vehicle Cascades

Enviro 300s being transferred from Stagecoach Manchester (Wigan) to Stagecoach North East this weekend are 27817-23

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https://twitter.com/skmpub/status/1705517535368548463

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Wonder which depot they'll end up at?

(23 Sep 2023, 4:43 pm)Michael wrote Lord Steven Knight @ STEVEN KNIGHT MEDIA (SKM)
Stagecoach Vehicle Cascades
Enviro 300s being transferred from Stagecoach Manchester (Wigan) to Stagecoach North East this weekend are 27817-23
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https://twitter.com/skmpub/status/1705517535368548463
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Wonder which depot they'll end up at?
Probably to Walkergate is my theory but we never know and also I clicked the link it says about e400s not e300s.And also will this be a permanent transfer?

Ye, the E300's are permanent.

E400 Hybrids from Newcastle are heading for Manchester as a gap stop.

(23 Sep 2023, 4:43 pm)Michael wrote Lord Steven Knight @ STEVEN KNIGHT MEDIA (SKM)

Stagecoach Vehicle Cascades

Enviro 300s being transferred from Stagecoach Manchester (Wigan) to Stagecoach North East this weekend are 27817-23

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https://twitter.com/skmpub/status/1705517535368548463

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Wonder which depot they'll end up at?

Sunderland to replace the gas buses surely? It's the reason the new E400's were supposedly sent up here in the first place and there were very strong rumours the hybrids were heading there. Would make sense it's now a 3 way swap instead and these are the return ie. Hybrid to Manchester, E300's to Sunderland.

The gas buses will still need to go regardless, unless they want to spend the money to refurbish the things but that seems pretty much uneconomical hence Arriva withdrawing their's completely.

(23 Sep 2023, 6:11 pm)Storx wrote Sunderland to replace the gas buses surely? It's the reason the new E400's were supposedly sent up here in the first place and there were very strong rumours the hybrids were heading there. Would make sense it's now a 3 way swap instead and these are the return ie. Hybrid to Manchester, E300's to Sunderland.

The gas buses will still need to go regardless, unless they want to spend the money to refurbish the things but that seems pretty much uneconomical hence Arriva withdrawing their's completely.

Hopefully but Stockton still have some ALX300's in service (3 according to bustimes) so 3 could go that way.

39730 and 39731 are still getting daily use at Sunderland too, even though, they're supposed to be withdrawn.

(23 Sep 2023, 7:40 pm)Michael wrote Hopefully but Stockton still have some ALX300's in service (3 according to bustimes) so 3 could go that way.

Aye possibly, seems 2 have already gone down though - https://twitter.com/skmpub/status/1705567341440843883

Wonder if they might send the last 2 ex Scottish examples down and keep them altogether and withdraw the remaining MAN's.

(23 Sep 2023, 7:50 pm)Storx wrote Aye possibly, seems 2 have already gone down though - https://twitter.com/skmpub/status/1705567341440843883

Wonder if they might send the last 2 ex Scottish examples down and keep them altogether and withdraw the remaining MAN's.

Oh they might not up at Stockton then.

I missed that tweet.

(23 Sep 2023, 7:50 pm)Storx wrote Aye possibly, seems 2 have already gone down though - https://twitter.com/skmpub/status/1705567341440843883

Wonder if they might send the last 2 ex Scottish examples down and keep them altogether and withdraw the remaining MAN's.

27913/4 transferred as part of the PVR increase at Stockton with the initial introduction of the 6/6A in Darlington, freed up by the PVR reduction at Wheatsheaf.

Stockton only have 2 ALX300s on the road - 22341 and 22413 (although 413 is presently in the paint shop). 22409 is now at Hartlepool as a reserve vehicle. But also don't forget Stockton have the 275s which are 18 years old and loathed by all drivers.

(23 Sep 2023, 6:11 pm)Storx wrote Sunderland to replace the gas buses surely? It's the reason the new E400's were supposedly sent up here in the first place and there were very strong rumours the hybrids were heading there. Would make sense it's now a 3 way swap instead and these are the return ie. Hybrid to Manchester, E300's to Sunderland.

The gas buses will still need to go regardless, unless they want to spend the money to refurbish the things but that seems pretty much uneconomical hence Arriva withdrawing their's completely.

They are CAZ compliant so could be Newcastle but we won’t know until they arrive up here. Would be nice to see them go to Slatyford as they’re constantly struggling for buses. With Walkergate sending the hybrids they could go to them as cover until they get more new buses.

(23 Sep 2023, 7:54 pm)Kuyoyo wrote 27913/4 transferred as part of the PVR increase at Stockton with the initial introduction of the 6/6A in Darlington, freed up by the PVR reduction at Wheatsheaf.

Stockton only have 2 ALX300s on the road - 22341 and 22413 (although 413 is presently in the paint shop). 22409 is now at Hartlepool as a reserve vehicle. But also don't forget Stockton have the 275s which are 18 years old and loathed by all drivers.

Actually forgot about those.

(23 Sep 2023, 7:56 pm)ReDemPTiion wrote They are CAZ compliant so could be Newcastle but we won’t know until they arrive up here. Would be nice to see them go to Slatyford as they’re constantly struggling for buses. With Walkergate sending the hybrids they could go to them as cover until they get more new buses.

If the seven are Euro 6, that would negate any need for transfers of Wheatsheaf's 277xx as previously mooted.

(23 Sep 2023, 7:54 pm)Kuyoyo wrote 27913/4 transferred as part of the PVR increase at Stockton with the initial introduction of the 6/6A in Darlington, freed up by the PVR reduction at Wheatsheaf.

Stockton only have 2 ALX300s on the road - 22341 and 22413 (although 413 is presently in the paint shop). 22409 is now at Hartlepool as a reserve vehicle. But also don't forget Stockton have the 275s which are 18 years old and loathed by all drivers.

Yeah that's true mind, everyone forgets about them. Same with the ancient darts that seem to be limping on aswell all over the place.

Be interesting to see what the long term plans is without cutting PVR's as the gas buses are clearly still a problem and there's numerous Darts, the 2 ALX 300, the Transbus E300's and the MAN E200's limping around with no real replacement.

Stagecoach Newcastle got new buses and Sunderland getting new buses so I think it Stockton depot getting them I think?

(23 Sep 2023, 8:03 pm)54APhotography wrote If the seven are Euro 6, that would negate any need for transfers of Wheatsheaf's 277xx as previously mooted.

Wasn't that instead of the swaps down in Stockton instead with them gaining the ALX 300's.

Does Slatyford even need more singles? It's DD's that are the issue if anything, since the singles are on the 62/63.

(24 Sep 2023, 8:55 am)Storx wrote Does Slatyford even need more singles? It's DD's that are the issue if anything, since the singles are on the 62/63.

I believe Slatyford now actually have more singles than they need - but not enough deckers for everything, not just the 62/63. You now have a decker turn on the 10/11 tied into schools, a 31 that also is tied into schools and a 71 (soon to be 72) that's tied into schools. Add to the reduced PVR on the 30/31/36 following Covid with the frequency reduction (down from every 7/8 minutes combined to every 10 - 36 down from every 15 to every 20) and despite taking on the 685, you have a lot of spare single deckers.

The transfers of 27817-23 have now been published on Bustimes but it still says Wigan as the depot so does anyone know what depot they’re going to and also are they going to change the font of the fleet numbers to the regular font that SCNE uses.

(24 Sep 2023, 9:03 am)Kuyoyo wrote I believe Slatyford now actually have more singles than they need - but not enough deckers for everything, not just the 62/63. You now have a decker turn on the 10/11 tied into schools, a 31 that also is tied into schools and a 71 (soon to be 72) that's tied into schools. Add to the reduced PVR on the 30/31/36 following Covid with the frequency reduction (down from every 7/8 minutes combined to every 10 - 36 down from every 15 to every 20) and despite taking on the 685, you have a lot of spare single deckers.

Thought that was the case, not to mention the 63 extension to Throckley replacing a single decker route (forgot which) and 6/7/8 PVR reductions aswell. I assume Walkergate is the same as they have an awful lot of single deckers for a PVR 5 (317) unless I'm totally missing something and there's official boards on the 22 which are meant to be singles but don't believe there are any.

(24 Sep 2023, 9:28 am)Storx wrote Thought that was the case, not to mention the 63 extension to Throckley replacing a single decker route (forgot which) and 6/7/8 PVR reductions aswell. I assume Walkergate is the same as they have an awful lot of single deckers for a PVR 5 (317) unless I'm totally missing something and there's official boards on the 22 which are meant to be singles but don't believe there are any.

Two boards on the 12 are officially allocated E300s, and two boards on the 22 E200s, but I suspect this is due to the lack of deckers more than anything, latest internal fleet card however doesn’t include the PVRs following the changes at the start of the month.


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(24 Sep 2023, 9:28 am)Storx wrote Thought that was the case, not to mention the 63 extension to Throckley replacing a single decker route (forgot which) and 6/7/8 PVR reductions aswell. I assume Walkergate is the same as they have an awful lot of single deckers for a PVR 5 (317) unless I'm totally missing something and there's official boards on the 22 which are meant to be singles but don't believe there are any.

The 62 to Throckley replaced the 71 extension.

(24 Sep 2023, 9:33 am)pbjd wrote Two boards on the 12 are officially allocated E300s, and two boards on the 22 E200s, but I suspect this is due to the lack of deckers more than anything, latest internal fleet card however doesn’t include the PVRs following the changes at the start of the month.


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Never knew that, but not surprised. 11 buses for a PVR 5 is just crazy in any books so assumed they'd be allocated somewhere officially.

(24 Sep 2023, 9:44 am)Kuyoyo wrote The 62 to Throckley replaced the 71 extension.

Thanks for that, always get the 71/72 mixed up.

(24 Sep 2023, 10:22 am)Storx wrote Never knew that, but not surprised. 11 buses for a PVR 5 is just crazy in any books so assumed they'd be allocated somewhere officially.

Walkergate have 8 E200s for a PVR of 5 on the 317 presently, despite it originally only being 7 for 5. Of course, if 2 22 boards are now booked for E200s that stenches them further. The E300s originally transferred in different light - 27724/5 moved in late 2019 when Stockton's PVR dropped with the withdrawal of the 34A and the Hemlington-Lingfield Park extension of the 13/13A, 27723 followed after the first Lockdown, 27757/8 moved last September in exchange for 19680/1 and 27159 moved earlier this year but not sure why. Of course, originally they had a home on the 18 and X63 but now the 18 is funded and the capacity dictated in the tender results in the need for all 3 boards to be deckers rather than just the one that hit the school traffic, and with the X63 down to half hourly rather than every 20 minutes, you see why they now have too many even at Walkergate.

(24 Sep 2023, 10:22 am)Storx wrote Thanks for that, always get the 71/72 mixed up.

Be even more confusing when the 72 becomes the more frequent of the Westerhope corridor routes at the end of next month - it's been the 71 for as long as I can recall, even back in the days when they were every 10 minutes combined (when Newbiggin Hall was served by stopping services half hourly with the 87 and 88 along with the X87/X88).

(24 Sep 2023, 10:33 am)Kuyoyo wrote Walkergate have 8 E200s for a PVR of 5 on the 317 presently, despite it originally only being 7 for 5. Of course, if 2 22 boards are now booked for E200s that stenches them further. The E300s originally transferred in different light - 27724/5 moved in late 2019 when Stockton's PVR dropped with the withdrawal of the 34A and the Hemlington-Lingfield Park extension of the 13/13A, 27723 followed after the first Lockdown, 27757/8 moved last September in exchange for 19680/1 and 27159 moved earlier this year but not sure why. Of course, originally they had a home on the 18 and X63 but now the 18 is funded and the capacity dictated in the tender results in the need for all 3 boards to be deckers rather than just the one that hit the school traffic, and with the X63 down to half hourly rather than every 20 minutes, you see why they now have too many even at Walkergate.


Be even more confusing when the 72 becomes the more frequent of the Westerhope corridor routes at the end of next month - it's been the 71 for as long as I can recall, even back in the days when they were every 10 minutes combined (when Newbiggin Hall was served by stopping services half hourly with the 87 and 88 along with the X87/X88).

Thanks for that, makes sense now where they all came from. Knew some came from the 18 changes - mind whether they need to be DD's is another question but obviously the contract says they have to be. 

Probably a good move the 71/72 swap though now the 62/63 is going to be every 7.5 minutes (I assume) along Greenway. Be interesting to see if the other one lasts as I'd be taking that over the hourly service. 

Btw speaking of the 62/63 does anyone actually know where 'Middle Callerton' actually is. I quite often go to the Poachers Cottage and unless something has changed in the last month there's no bus stops between Callerton and the Jingling Gate.

I'm assuming it's going to be here? https://www.google.com/maps/place/55%C2%...?entry=ttu