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Storx



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28 Sep 2023, 8:44 pm #2,401
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(27 Sep 2023, 10:19 pm)col87 Now Wilko has gone for good with parts of the shopping centre more or less derelict and the indoor market literally falling to bits Hartlepool Town centre is also quite poor with not really a lot in it.

Aye you're right there mind, was there the other day as I fancied a look around Wilko there (thought it might have more in as it's always dead usually) as we were down there for the day at the Headlands. What a bleak place, absolutely no reason to go there considering most the shops in there are at Tees Bay or opposite the marina. Seeing some bloke off his face on god knows what near the toilets just added a special charm aswell.

Better than Stockton though mind where there's literally no reason to go.

Then they wonder why people don't use buses when literally every bus forces you to the place - good luck getting to Tees Bay or the Marina though where arguably people would rather be.
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28 Sep 2023, 8:44 pm #2,401

(27 Sep 2023, 10:19 pm)col87 Now Wilko has gone for good with parts of the shopping centre more or less derelict and the indoor market literally falling to bits Hartlepool Town centre is also quite poor with not really a lot in it.

Aye you're right there mind, was there the other day as I fancied a look around Wilko there (thought it might have more in as it's always dead usually) as we were down there for the day at the Headlands. What a bleak place, absolutely no reason to go there considering most the shops in there are at Tees Bay or opposite the marina. Seeing some bloke off his face on god knows what near the toilets just added a special charm aswell.

Better than Stockton though mind where there's literally no reason to go.

Then they wonder why people don't use buses when literally every bus forces you to the place - good luck getting to Tees Bay or the Marina though where arguably people would rather be.

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col87



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29 Sep 2023, 12:47 am #2,402
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(28 Sep 2023, 8:44 pm)Storx Aye you're right there mind, was there the other day as I fancied a look around Wilko there (thought it might have more in as it's always dead usually) as we were down there for the day at the Headlands. What a bleak place, absolutely no reason to go there considering most the shops in there are at Tees Bay or opposite the marina. Seeing some bloke off his face on god knows what near the toilets just added a special charm aswell.

Better than Stockton though mind where there's literally no reason to go.

Then they wonder why people don't use buses when literally every bus forces you to the place - good luck getting to Tees Bay or the Marina though where arguably people would rather be.
They are buses to both but not many and only certain areas can get to them. 

I think once it known about the 36 going to Teesside Park I can actually see quite a few people using it.  My concern though is that they needs to be a better stop though as going from one service in each direction every 30 minutes to 4 services every few minutes. I think it’s likely to be a passing point as well so they a good chance of 3 buses trying to get in to what just fits one bus so something needs even a second stop would help with one stop for services towards and another stop for services towards Stockton.
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29 Sep 2023, 12:47 am #2,402

(28 Sep 2023, 8:44 pm)Storx Aye you're right there mind, was there the other day as I fancied a look around Wilko there (thought it might have more in as it's always dead usually) as we were down there for the day at the Headlands. What a bleak place, absolutely no reason to go there considering most the shops in there are at Tees Bay or opposite the marina. Seeing some bloke off his face on god knows what near the toilets just added a special charm aswell.

Better than Stockton though mind where there's literally no reason to go.

Then they wonder why people don't use buses when literally every bus forces you to the place - good luck getting to Tees Bay or the Marina though where arguably people would rather be.
They are buses to both but not many and only certain areas can get to them. 

I think once it known about the 36 going to Teesside Park I can actually see quite a few people using it.  My concern though is that they needs to be a better stop though as going from one service in each direction every 30 minutes to 4 services every few minutes. I think it’s likely to be a passing point as well so they a good chance of 3 buses trying to get in to what just fits one bus so something needs even a second stop would help with one stop for services towards and another stop for services towards Stockton.

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29 Sep 2023, 12:05 pm #2,403
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(28 Sep 2023, 8:44 pm)Storx Aye you're right there mind, was there the other day as I fancied a look around Wilko there (thought it might have more in as it's always dead usually) as we were down there for the day at the Headlands. What a bleak place, absolutely no reason to go there considering most the shops in there are at Tees Bay or opposite the marina. Seeing some bloke off his face on god knows what near the toilets just added a special charm aswell.

Better than Stockton though mind where there's literally no reason to go.

Then they wonder why people don't use buses when literally every bus forces you to the place - good luck getting to Tees Bay or the Marina though where arguably people would rather be.

It's the same with 90% of town centres now. They're inconvenient versus Retail Parks, so the limited number of people who haven't completely caved in to online shopping, will instead go there for the convenience of being able to park right next to the shop they want.

Galleries in Washington is dead nowadays, but the retail park across the road is thriving. Same with the retail park at Peel, ever since they got new tenants in a couple years ago.
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29 Sep 2023, 12:05 pm #2,403

(28 Sep 2023, 8:44 pm)Storx Aye you're right there mind, was there the other day as I fancied a look around Wilko there (thought it might have more in as it's always dead usually) as we were down there for the day at the Headlands. What a bleak place, absolutely no reason to go there considering most the shops in there are at Tees Bay or opposite the marina. Seeing some bloke off his face on god knows what near the toilets just added a special charm aswell.

Better than Stockton though mind where there's literally no reason to go.

Then they wonder why people don't use buses when literally every bus forces you to the place - good luck getting to Tees Bay or the Marina though where arguably people would rather be.

It's the same with 90% of town centres now. They're inconvenient versus Retail Parks, so the limited number of people who haven't completely caved in to online shopping, will instead go there for the convenience of being able to park right next to the shop they want.

Galleries in Washington is dead nowadays, but the retail park across the road is thriving. Same with the retail park at Peel, ever since they got new tenants in a couple years ago.

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Storx



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29 Sep 2023, 6:22 pm #2,404
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(29 Sep 2023, 12:05 pm)Adrian It's the same with 90% of town centres now. They're inconvenient versus Retail Parks, so the limited number of people who haven't completely caved in to online shopping, will instead go there for the convenience of being able to park right next to the shop they want.

Galleries in Washington is dead nowadays, but the retail park across the road is thriving. Same with the retail park at Peel, ever since they got new tenants in a couple years ago.

Yeah you're right there, mind the Galleries is doing better than most. Least there's actually something to go for there with the 2 supermarkets at each end. Mind must say, the Wilko anchor being empty is a bit of a blow.
Storx
29 Sep 2023, 6:22 pm #2,404

(29 Sep 2023, 12:05 pm)Adrian It's the same with 90% of town centres now. They're inconvenient versus Retail Parks, so the limited number of people who haven't completely caved in to online shopping, will instead go there for the convenience of being able to park right next to the shop they want.

Galleries in Washington is dead nowadays, but the retail park across the road is thriving. Same with the retail park at Peel, ever since they got new tenants in a couple years ago.

Yeah you're right there, mind the Galleries is doing better than most. Least there's actually something to go for there with the 2 supermarkets at each end. Mind must say, the Wilko anchor being empty is a bit of a blow.

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Michael



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03 Oct 2023, 5:12 pm #2,405
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(15 Sep 2023, 3:08 pm)Michael 29th October 2023:

PB0002404/311
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD X24 (X24, X24A) Sunderland Newcastle

PB0002404/89
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD X34 (X34) Newcastle Pilgrim Street South Shields Horsley Hill


Sunday runs up until Christmas?

Few more changes for the 5th November in Sunderland:

PB0002404/20
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 313 (3, 13) Town End Farm, Hylton Castle Doxford Park, Farringdon

PB0002404/60
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 4 Downhill Doxford Park

PB0002404/17
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 16 (16) Red House Estate Hastings Hill
Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
03 Oct 2023, 5:12 pm #2,405

(15 Sep 2023, 3:08 pm)Michael 29th October 2023:

PB0002404/311
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD X24 (X24, X24A) Sunderland Newcastle

PB0002404/89
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD X34 (X34) Newcastle Pilgrim Street South Shields Horsley Hill


Sunday runs up until Christmas?

Few more changes for the 5th November in Sunderland:

PB0002404/20
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 313 (3, 13) Town End Farm, Hylton Castle Doxford Park, Farringdon

PB0002404/60
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 4 Downhill Doxford Park

PB0002404/17
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 16 (16) Red House Estate Hastings Hill

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

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54APhotography



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03 Oct 2023, 5:21 pm #2,406
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(03 Oct 2023, 5:12 pm)Michael Few more changes for the 5th November in Sunderland:

PB0002404/20
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 313 (3, 13) Town End Farm, Hylton Castle Doxford Park, Farringdon

PB0002404/60
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 4 Downhill Doxford Park

PB0002404/17
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 16 (16) Red House Estate Hastings Hill
3 & 13 reverting to previous times, Wheatsheaf admitting the changes haven't worked with buses bunching and causing big gaps in services 4 & 16 changes to combat similar issues.
54APhotography
03 Oct 2023, 5:21 pm #2,406

(03 Oct 2023, 5:12 pm)Michael Few more changes for the 5th November in Sunderland:

PB0002404/20
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 313 (3, 13) Town End Farm, Hylton Castle Doxford Park, Farringdon

PB0002404/60
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 4 Downhill Doxford Park

PB0002404/17
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 16 (16) Red House Estate Hastings Hill
3 & 13 reverting to previous times, Wheatsheaf admitting the changes haven't worked with buses bunching and causing big gaps in services 4 & 16 changes to combat similar issues.

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Michael



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03 Oct 2023, 5:39 pm #2,407
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(03 Oct 2023, 5:21 pm)54APhotography 3 & 13 reverting to previous times, Wheatsheaf admitting the changes haven't worked with buses bunching and causing big gaps in services 4 & 16 changes to combat similar issues.

Where will the extra buses come from?, as they've sold 5 of the gas buses.
Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
03 Oct 2023, 5:39 pm #2,407

(03 Oct 2023, 5:21 pm)54APhotography 3 & 13 reverting to previous times, Wheatsheaf admitting the changes haven't worked with buses bunching and causing big gaps in services 4 & 16 changes to combat similar issues.

Where will the extra buses come from?, as they've sold 5 of the gas buses.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

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54APhotography



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03 Oct 2023, 6:14 pm #2,408
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(03 Oct 2023, 5:39 pm)Michael Where will the extra buses come from?, as they've sold 5 of the gas buses.

Exactly. And the extra drivers, 50+ gone this year. Walker taking management hints from Feetham.
54APhotography
03 Oct 2023, 6:14 pm #2,408

(03 Oct 2023, 5:39 pm)Michael Where will the extra buses come from?, as they've sold 5 of the gas buses.

Exactly. And the extra drivers, 50+ gone this year. Walker taking management hints from Feetham.

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Busu284



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03 Oct 2023, 6:17 pm #2,409
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(03 Oct 2023, 5:39 pm)Michael Where will the extra buses come from?, as they've sold 5 of the gas buses.

Could end up with the Walkergate E300 (from Manchester we currently have) as they seem to be Sunderland bound when the E400MMC 117 batch turns up
Busu284
03 Oct 2023, 6:17 pm #2,409

(03 Oct 2023, 5:39 pm)Michael Where will the extra buses come from?, as they've sold 5 of the gas buses.

Could end up with the Walkergate E300 (from Manchester we currently have) as they seem to be Sunderland bound when the E400MMC 117 batch turns up

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Michael



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03 Oct 2023, 6:18 pm #2,410
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(03 Oct 2023, 6:14 pm)54APhotography Exactly. And the extra drivers, 50+ gone this year. Walker taking management hints from Feetham.

Must be using magic to get them....... looking forward to the cancelation's on a daily bases..
(03 Oct 2023, 6:17 pm)Busu284 Could end up with the Walkergate E300 (from Manchester we currently have) as they seem to be Sunderland bound when the E400MMC 117 batch turns up

Could do, would make sense.
Edited 03 Oct 2023, 6:19 pm by Michael.
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Michael
03 Oct 2023, 6:18 pm #2,410

(03 Oct 2023, 6:14 pm)54APhotography Exactly. And the extra drivers, 50+ gone this year. Walker taking management hints from Feetham.

Must be using magic to get them....... looking forward to the cancelation's on a daily bases..
(03 Oct 2023, 6:17 pm)Busu284 Could end up with the Walkergate E300 (from Manchester we currently have) as they seem to be Sunderland bound when the E400MMC 117 batch turns up

Could do, would make sense.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

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03 Oct 2023, 10:31 pm #2,411
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That mean the 3 will return to plains farm and the 12 coming back??
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03 Oct 2023, 10:31 pm #2,411

That mean the 3 will return to plains farm and the 12 coming back??

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54APhotography



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04 Oct 2023, 8:09 am #2,412
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(03 Oct 2023, 10:31 pm)Acky81 That mean the 3 will return to plains farm and the 12 coming back??

12 isn't coming back.
54APhotography
04 Oct 2023, 8:09 am #2,412

(03 Oct 2023, 10:31 pm)Acky81 That mean the 3 will return to plains farm and the 12 coming back??

12 isn't coming back.

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04 Oct 2023, 9:18 am #2,413
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(03 Oct 2023, 5:21 pm)54APhotography 3 & 13 reverting to previous times, Wheatsheaf admitting the changes haven't worked with buses bunching and causing big gaps in services 4 & 16 changes to combat similar issues.

Where's this come from?

3s are alright generally. Hopefully the 16 is evening out the standing times.

Rumour was 4s and 13s interworking to help with the issues there.
F114TML
04 Oct 2023, 9:18 am #2,413

(03 Oct 2023, 5:21 pm)54APhotography 3 & 13 reverting to previous times, Wheatsheaf admitting the changes haven't worked with buses bunching and causing big gaps in services 4 & 16 changes to combat similar issues.

Where's this come from?

3s are alright generally. Hopefully the 16 is evening out the standing times.

Rumour was 4s and 13s interworking to help with the issues there.

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54APhotography



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04 Oct 2023, 9:43 am #2,414
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(04 Oct 2023, 9:18 am)F114TML Where's this come from?

3s are alright generally. Hopefully the 16 is evening out the standing times.

Rumour was 4s and 13s interworking to help with the issues there.

The offices. Changes aren't to restore service levels, but to even out times. Even if it does require increase in PVR only one bus has arrived here.
54APhotography
04 Oct 2023, 9:43 am #2,414

(04 Oct 2023, 9:18 am)F114TML Where's this come from?

3s are alright generally. Hopefully the 16 is evening out the standing times.

Rumour was 4s and 13s interworking to help with the issues there.

The offices. Changes aren't to restore service levels, but to even out times. Even if it does require increase in PVR only one bus has arrived here.

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Michael



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05 Oct 2023, 9:01 am #2,415
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(03 Oct 2023, 5:12 pm)Michael Few more changes for the 5th November in Sunderland:

PB0002404/20
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 313 (3, 13) Town End Farm, Hylton Castle Doxford Park, Farringdon

PB0002404/60
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 4 Downhill Doxford Park

PB0002404/17
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 16 (16) Red House Estate Hastings Hill

13: Monday to Sunday regular services. Minor timetable change to services 3 and 13. Revised route around Doxford Park for service 13.

4: Monday to Sunday regular service. Timetable and revised route at Doxford Park

16 - Monday to Sunday regular service. Minor timetable change Monday to Saturday.
Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
05 Oct 2023, 9:01 am #2,415

(03 Oct 2023, 5:12 pm)Michael Few more changes for the 5th November in Sunderland:

PB0002404/20
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 313 (3, 13) Town End Farm, Hylton Castle Doxford Park, Farringdon

PB0002404/60
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 4 Downhill Doxford Park

PB0002404/17
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 16 (16) Red House Estate Hastings Hill

13: Monday to Sunday regular services. Minor timetable change to services 3 and 13. Revised route around Doxford Park for service 13.

4: Monday to Sunday regular service. Timetable and revised route at Doxford Park

16 - Monday to Sunday regular service. Minor timetable change Monday to Saturday.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

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F114TML



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05 Oct 2023, 9:37 am #2,416
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Most likely be the 4 and 13 interworking then
F114TML
05 Oct 2023, 9:37 am #2,416

Most likely be the 4 and 13 interworking then

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07 Oct 2023, 5:58 pm #2,417
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A bit of help here. Can anyone tell me where Middle Callerton is on the 63 for the extension as I can't find it anywhere
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07 Oct 2023, 5:58 pm #2,417

A bit of help here. Can anyone tell me where Middle Callerton is on the 63 for the extension as I can't find it anywhere

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Storx



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07 Oct 2023, 6:42 pm #2,418
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(07 Oct 2023, 5:58 pm)Busu284 A bit of help here. Can anyone tell me where Middle Callerton is on the 63 for the extension as I can't find it anywhere

I can't confirm 100%, but based on the Callerton plans it's going to be here - https://www.google.com/maps/place/55%C2%...?entry=ttu

I tried to find it the other day, there's a bus loop there and a high curb for them to stop behind the van. Can see it if you move about with Streetview.
Storx
07 Oct 2023, 6:42 pm #2,418

(07 Oct 2023, 5:58 pm)Busu284 A bit of help here. Can anyone tell me where Middle Callerton is on the 63 for the extension as I can't find it anywhere

I can't confirm 100%, but based on the Callerton plans it's going to be here - https://www.google.com/maps/place/55%C2%...?entry=ttu

I tried to find it the other day, there's a bus loop there and a high curb for them to stop behind the van. Can see it if you move about with Streetview.

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09 Oct 2023, 1:17 pm #2,419
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PB0001987/316 Registered
CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD

Route: Redcar & Cleveland Tees Flex to Redcar & Cleveland Tees Flex

Service number: R® (Rou)

Service type: Flexible Registration

Effective date: 06 Nov 2023



Guessing this is just a renewal of contract?
Rockstar666
09 Oct 2023, 1:17 pm #2,419

PB0001987/316 Registered
CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD

Route: Redcar & Cleveland Tees Flex to Redcar & Cleveland Tees Flex

Service number: R® (Rou)

Service type: Flexible Registration

Effective date: 06 Nov 2023



Guessing this is just a renewal of contract?

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Retro Nero



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09 Oct 2023, 3:09 pm #2,420
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(05 Oct 2023, 9:37 am)F114TML Most likely be the 4 and 13 interworking then

4 & 13 interworking at Doxford Park...
........ 4 arrives and changes at Doxford Park Morrisons and runs via Hall Farm as it will leave as a 13 and vice versa......13 changes at Doxford Park Morrisons and runs via Mill Hill as service 4
Retro Nero
09 Oct 2023, 3:09 pm #2,420

(05 Oct 2023, 9:37 am)F114TML Most likely be the 4 and 13 interworking then

4 & 13 interworking at Doxford Park...
........ 4 arrives and changes at Doxford Park Morrisons and runs via Hall Farm as it will leave as a 13 and vice versa......13 changes at Doxford Park Morrisons and runs via Mill Hill as service 4

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