Bringing back the original 90s Go Livery is absolutely the answer to all of the current problem

(14 Jan 2024, 10:22 pm)Ambassador wrote Bringing back the original 90s Go Livery is absolutely the answer to all of the current problem

I want that livery to come back, I remember it as a kid, would be good to see an eco friendly variant for electric buses.


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(14 Jan 2024, 9:54 pm)ne14ne1 wrote Could just be new poster/timetable designs.
I’d be very surprised & disappointed if GNE thinks a new corporate livery it what is required.

This appeared on Flickr, by Chris Hinds.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/62607125@N...1703170019

Why start on this vehicle and not the ones that have already been painted in the roadstripe scheme.

(14 Jan 2024, 10:31 pm)adavies3774 wrote I want that livery to come back, I remember it as a kid, would be good to see an eco friendly variant for electric buses.


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I did enjoy it on the Metrobuses but that’s 30 years ago.

Another livery at this point (if that’s what this is) suggest Martijn wasn’t the problem, he just encouraged it

Talking about liveries what exactly is this now, Arriva and Stagecoach are both on their 3rd but for GNE I can think of:

1990's Shaver Blade - https://images.app.goo.gl/BphqW6SUxutQmyus5
1990's Straight Line - https://images.app.goo.gl/yFrLujFeDtUdqBZt8
2000's Swoop 'Tiger Attack' - https://images.app.goo.gl/n27s681fBnvx3NbZ8
2000's Swoop v2 - https://images.app.goo.gl/BP8w7tmdGMYuXdW4A
2000's Swoop v3 - https://images.app.goo.gl/2a6xaCTvNs6wC6pc8
2000's Northern - https://images.app.goo.gl/MLFRzjLownwP4DrY9
2010's Northern v2 - https://images.app.goo.gl/2CkTYzSaEaFV3QNa6
2010's Blue Curve - https://images.app.goo.gl/6h8hrvfGkn6fypeX6
2010's Current Livery

No doubt missed one, shocking number of liveries over 20 years, ironic the current one is one of the longer serving ones, believe it or not.

(14 Jan 2024, 11:37 pm)Storx wrote Talking about liveries what exactly is this now, Arriva and Stagecoach are both on their 3rd but for GNE I can think of:

1990's Shaver Blade - https://images.app.goo.gl/BphqW6SUxutQmyus5
1990's Straight Line - https://images.app.goo.gl/yFrLujFeDtUdqBZt8
2000's Swoop 'Tiger Attack' - https://images.app.goo.gl/n27s681fBnvx3NbZ8
2000's Swoop v2 - https://images.app.goo.gl/BP8w7tmdGMYuXdW4A
2000's Swoop v3 - https://images.app.goo.gl/2a6xaCTvNs6wC6pc8
2000's Northern - https://images.app.goo.gl/MLFRzjLownwP4DrY9
2010's Northern v2 - https://images.app.goo.gl/2CkTYzSaEaFV3QNa6
2010's Blue Curve - https://images.app.goo.gl/6h8hrvfGkn6fypeX6
2010's Current Livery

No doubt missed one, shocking number of liveries over 20 years, ironic the current one is one of the longer serving ones, believe it or not.

Thats not including the various route branding that has taken place over the years

But for me the simplest livery with route branding was the "simply turn up and go"

https://www.flickr.com/photos/99435494@N02/36606592310

Nice and simple mostly still in the company brand so it didn't look out of place if allocated to wrong route.

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(14 Jan 2024, 10:46 pm)Michael wrote This appeared on Flickr, by Chris Hinds.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/62607125@N...7217031700

Might explain why the other Enviros havent had road stripes or logos applied yet.

(14 Jan 2024, 11:37 pm)Storx wrote Talking about liveries what exactly is this now, Arriva and Stagecoach are both on their 3rd but for GNE I can think of:

1990's Shaver Blade - https://images.app.goo.gl/BphqW6SUxutQmyus5
1990's Straight Line - https://images.app.goo.gl/yFrLujFeDtUdqBZt8
2000's Swoop 'Tiger Attack' - https://images.app.goo.gl/n27s681fBnvx3NbZ8
2000's Swoop v2 - https://images.app.goo.gl/BP8w7tmdGMYuXdW4A
2000's Swoop v3 - https://images.app.goo.gl/2a6xaCTvNs6wC6pc8
2000's Northern - https://images.app.goo.gl/MLFRzjLownwP4DrY9
2010's Northern v2 - https://images.app.goo.gl/2CkTYzSaEaFV3QNa6
2010's Blue Curve - https://images.app.goo.gl/6h8hrvfGkn6fypeX6
2010's Current Livery

No doubt missed one, shocking number of liveries over 20 years, ironic the current one is one of the longer serving ones, believe it or not.

Jesus that’s astounding considering that original design way back when was….fine. The amount that’s been lost on in house or external marketing could probably have funded a secured service  or an under performing route for at least two year 

You forgot the time they ran out of coloured paint and the MD made them paint a load of buses in what we now call spare white

(14 Jan 2024, 10:46 pm)Michael wrote This appeared on Flickr, by Chris Hinds.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/62607125@N...1703170019

Yeah I responded to that post on the previous page.
It reminded me of the old X66 Optare Delta SuperShuttle livery: https://flic.kr/p/2oLevpM
It’s even got the black wheels.

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(15 Jan 2024, 12:16 am)Arcticrossy92 wrote Might explain why the other Enviros havent had road stripes or logos applied yet.

But one E200MMC has just been painted into Corporate base livery, (https://flic.kr/p/2psrB6r), so hopefully 5491s odd new design is a one off special for whatever reason.

(14 Jan 2024, 9:54 pm)ne14ne1 wrote Could just be new poster/timetable designs.
I’d be very surprised & disappointed if GNE thinks a new corporate livery it what is required.

I can't see a new Corporate livery coming - these have been on loan to GNW and repainting on the way back from there seems sensible given that the Green Arrow brand has disappeared and there would probably be panel damage with the removal of the "Bee Network" vinyls.

(15 Jan 2024, 12:09 am)Theboyle92 wrote Thats not including the various route branding that has taken place over the years

But for me the simplest livery with route branding was the "simply turn up and go"

https://www.flickr.com/photos/99435494@N02/36606592310

Nice and simple mostly still in the company brand so it didn't look out of place if allocated to wrong route.

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Ngl I think I'd lose the plot listing them all, I always quite liked the Swoops v2 livery, it kind of improved it and made it more modern but the rest is stupid.

(15 Jan 2024, 1:09 am)Ambassador wrote Jesus that’s astounding considering that original design way back when was….fine. The amount that’s been lost on in house or external marketing could probably have funded a secured service  or an under performing route for at least two year 

You forgot the time they ran out of coloured paint and the MD made them paint a load of buses in what we now call spare white

That's it, I knew there was something else inbetween the Northern and the last swoops but couldn't think of it. Crazy ain't it? It's not as if it's done a world of wonders either since Stagecoach isn't bust right now, it's arguably doing much stronger.

(14 Jan 2024, 4:52 pm)Iamtheone8483748 wrote https://flic.kr/p/2pspanm (not my photo)

New poppy livery?

Without any vinyls that looks like a very low-budget independent style livery.

Speaking of Low Budget - ChaseRider / D&G Bus have gone for a low budget roadstripe livery - https://www.flickr.com/photos/198598264@N07/53338608677 - Photo by Walkers Transport.

(15 Jan 2024, 2:11 pm)Rapidsnap wrote Speaking of Low Budget - ChaseRider / D&G Bus have gone for a low budget roadstripe livery - https://www.flickr.com/photos/198598264@N07/53338608677 - Photo by Walkers Transport.

Actually looks quite good

The Enviro200s could be going to Percy for the X20?

(15 Jan 2024, 7:40 pm)itsadam wrote The Enviro200s could be going to Percy for the X20?

In what world would Percy Main be operating the X20?

(15 Jan 2024, 7:40 pm)itsadam wrote The Enviro200s could be going to Percy for the X20?

X20 are getting the B5's from the X21.

Theres a couple of B9s that have been repainted , parked ar Consett without the roadstripes also. I wonder if a new livery variation is the reason?

(15 Jan 2024, 11:27 pm)Tiger5105 wrote Theres a couple of B9s that have been repainted , parked ar Consett without the roadstripes also. I wonder if a new livery variation is the reason?

This is purely down to the fact they were immediately pressed into service at Consett rather than going via Saltmeadows.

6190 returned from Go North West at the weekend, and this one is getting vinyled up first at Saltmeadows.


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(15 Jan 2024, 7:56 pm)Michael wrote X20 are getting the B5's from the X21.

That explains why I saw one on the 20/20A the other day in Durham. 

What's replacing them?

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(15 Jan 2024, 7:56 pm)mb134 wrote In what world would Percy Main be operating the X20?

Apologies, I meant Deptford.

(16 Jan 2024, 12:42 pm)itsadam wrote That explains why I saw one on the 20/20A the other day in Durham. 

What's replacing them?

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Apologies, I meant Deptford.

The B5's on the X21?

Not sure, likely streetdecks

This is doing my head in if they're so focused on having specific colours for the Xlines. (instead of doing the cost saving thing of all black & gold from the get go).

This is what I would have done from the off;
X1 - Pink (to complement Connections 4)
X5/X15 - Blue (to complement Durham Diamond 16/16A - now abandoned)
X10 - Black
X6/X20 - Purple (to compliment Prince Bishops 20)
X21 - Light Green (to compliment Angel 21)
X30/X31 - Dark Green
X45/X46/X47 - Dark Green
X70/X71 - Dark Green
X84/X85 - Yellow

This could then be (with the changes to routes X5/X15/X6/X20/X46/X47/X84/X85);
X1 - Pink
X10 - Black
X20 - Purple
X21 - Light Green
X30/X31/X45/X71/X72 - Dark Green

But i would've been easier to paint everything into gold and black or red as the black is the smartest and red fits with GNE's livery.

Reason X1 went red was because of the Red Arrows brand that came before it.

Just get shot of X Lines, it pointless and makes no sense.

21: Angel
X21: Angel Express
20: Prince Bishops
X20: Prince Bishops Express
X5/X15/X30/X31/X71/X72/X45/X46: Corporate
X10: Tyne Tees Express
X1: Red Arrows

Sorted, everyone knows what The Angel is so if they see an express version of it they'll know it's quicker - same with the 20/X20. There's absolutely nothing different between X Lines buses and normal buses and half of them aren't express buses anyway and aren't the way you'd drive either if we're going down that route unless you like driving aimlessly around Rainton Bridge, Burnopfield or Whickham to pick 3.

(15 Jan 2024, 8:31 am)ne14ne1 wrote Yeah I responded to that post on the previous page.
It reminded me of the old X66 Optare Delta SuperShuttle livery: https://flic.kr/p/2oLevpM
It’s even got the black wheels.

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But one E200MMC has just been painted into Corporate base livery, (https://flic.kr/p/2psrB6r), so hopefully 5491s odd new design is a one off special for whatever reason.

A little hint, then colours are the same.


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(15 Jan 2024, 7:40 pm)itsadam wrote The Enviro200s could be going to Percy for the X20?

Nope X20 is B5TLs


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(16 Jan 2024, 2:44 pm)Storx wrote Just get shot of X Lines, it pointless and makes no sense.

21: Angel
X21: Angel Express
20: Prince Bishops
X20: Prince Bishops Express
X5/X15/X30/X31/X71/X72/X45/X46: Corporate
X10: Tyne Tees Express
X1: Red Arrows

Sorted, everyone knows what The Angel is so if they see an express version of it they'll know it's quicker - same with the 20/X20. There's absolutely nothing different between X Lines buses and normal buses and half of them aren't express buses anyway and aren't the way you'd drive either if we're going down that route unless you like driving aimlessly around Rainton Bridge, Burnopfield or Whickham to pick 3.

Nothing wrong with Xlines. It covers ALL Xlines routes


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727 has been repainted into 2019 gne - i went on it

(19 Jan 2024, 7:08 am)adavies3774 wrote Nothing wrong with Xlines. It covers ALL Xlines routes

and what's an 'X Lines route'. We know what it means but to the general public it's just another brand with the other 50 brands GNE have. Go to Consett, it might aswell be just the whole network. 

They're not express, they're not routes you drive, they're not nicer buses on certain routes. Thankfully other operators who GNE copied saw how pointless it was and scrapped it.

It's one of the worst branding exercises ever going and blatently failed as every single route has had substantial cuts or is now funded by the tax payer and replaced brands with recognition ie Red Kite and Red Arrows, in particular.

The most ironic part of it, the most express route in the network (X66) isn't part of it.

(20 Jan 2024, 10:29 pm)Storx wrote and what's an 'X Lines route'. We know what it means but to the general public it's just another brand with the other 50 brands GNE have. Go to Consett, it might aswell be just the whole network. 

They're not express, they're not routes you drive, they're not nicer buses on certain routes. Thankfully other operators who GNE copied saw how pointless it was and scrapped it.

It's one of the worst branding exercises ever going and blatently failed as every single route has had substantial cuts or is now funded by the tax payer and replaced brands with recognition ie Red Kite and Red Arrows, in particular.

The most ironic part of it, the most express route in the network (X66) isn't part of it.

Brands should just be

NorthEastXpress
- X10, X21, X30/X31 (see below about X30/X31)

CityLink
- 21, 56

Coast Road (unsure what brand could be)
- 306, 307, 308, 309

CityRider (current Voltra routes)
- 53, 54, Q3

Everything else corporate!

And to further aid the NorthEastXpress idea.....a single fleet type (E400MMC) operating from Riverside with following changes

- X30/X31 moved to Riverside. X31 extended to Lanchester in place of the 6. Remote reliefs at Eldon Square or Ellison Road.

- 12 re-interworked with the 6 and moved to Consett. 6 curtailed at Stanley.

20x E400MMC
- 4x - X10
- 8x - X21
- 4x - X30/X31
- 4x spare

(20 Jan 2024, 10:29 pm)Storx wrote and what's an 'X Lines route'. We know what it means but to the general public it's just another brand with the other 50 brands GNE have. Go to Consett, it might aswell be just the whole network. 

They're not express, they're not routes you drive, they're not nicer buses on certain routes. Thankfully other operators who GNE copied saw how pointless it was and scrapped it.

It's one of the worst branding exercises ever going and blatently failed as every single route has had substantial cuts or is now funded by the tax payer and replaced brands with recognition ie Red Kite and Red Arrows, in particular.

The most ironic part of it, the most express route in the network (X66) isn't part of it.

Since inception, X-lines routes were described as ‘interurban routes’ which were express/limited stop - akin to Arriva with their MAX brand.

The X66 doesn’t fit that criteria, but those services branded as X-lines all do.


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