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It would be good to see arriva being able to displace some of the detritus they have here.
(17 Jan 2024, 5:17 pm)BusLoverMum It would be good to see arriva being able to displace some of the detritus they have here.
(17 Jan 2024, 5:17 pm)BusLoverMum It would be good to see arriva being able to displace some of the detritus they have here.
(17 Jan 2024, 5:17 pm)BusLoverMum It would be good to see arriva being able to displace some of the detritus they have here.
(17 Jan 2024, 5:17 pm)BusLoverMum It would be good to see arriva being able to displace some of the detritus they have here.
(17 Jan 2024, 5:27 pm)Shrek Arriva won't be applying for anything while the sale process is ongoing. Hopefully the new owners should be aware of the required investment if the sale goes through and will make the moves needed to upgrade the ageing fleets.
(17 Jan 2024, 5:17 pm)BusLoverMum It would be good to see arriva being able to displace some of the detritus they have here.
(17 Jan 2024, 5:27 pm)Shrek Arriva won't be applying for anything while the sale process is ongoing. Hopefully the new owners should be aware of the required investment if the sale goes through and will make the moves needed to upgrade the ageing fleets.
(17 Jan 2024, 5:17 pm)BusLoverMum It would be good to see arriva being able to displace some of the detritus they have here.
(17 Jan 2024, 3:13 pm)Aaron21 No stop it with the coast road mentions. Please I beg you
(17 Jan 2024, 5:38 pm)mb134 They literally have applied for this though?Even better. I'd be glad to see the back of those E200s in particular. They're so cramped and I don't even have long legs.
The bid states it will be to replace the B7TLs and E200s currently in use on the routes.
(17 Jan 2024, 5:38 pm)mb134 They literally have applied for this though?Even better. I'd be glad to see the back of those E200s in particular. They're so cramped and I don't even have long legs.
The bid states it will be to replace the B7TLs and E200s currently in use on the routes.
(17 Jan 2024, 5:38 pm)mb134 They literally have applied for this though?That is a very good point, I hadn't read the previous post properly.
The bid states it will be to replace the B7TLs and E200s currently in use on the routes.
(17 Jan 2024, 5:38 pm)mb134 They literally have applied for this though?That is a very good point, I hadn't read the previous post properly.
The bid states it will be to replace the B7TLs and E200s currently in use on the routes.
(17 Jan 2024, 10:11 pm)Unber43 i did mean GNE, both SC and Arriva have invested out of Newcastle with Sunderland and Durham but what about GNE
(17 Jan 2024, 10:11 pm)Unber43 i did mean GNE, both SC and Arriva have invested out of Newcastle with Sunderland and Durham but what about GNE
(17 Jan 2024, 10:35 pm)mb134 Imagine it's largely down to Newcastle introducing the CAZ, so they were forced to invest in routes which serve Newcastle ahead of others.
I obviously don't know the GNE financials, but I would imagine some of their highest revenue routes (which can justify new vehicles) are those which serve the biggest city in the region. Given the nature of the GNE network, many of these routes also pass through Gateshead prior to getting to Newcastle which again is another major place along the route to make money. I think another issue is that with the lack of recent investment in even these routes (the Angel Streetdecks are nearly 7 years old), it means that nothing newer can be cascaded to the rest of the network hence seeing 2006 E400s on routes like the 16 and 58 plate Tridents on the 21. It's the same problem as Arriva have really, just in their case they have a load of single deckers from around 2009 which aren't quite ready for the scrap yard, but when they are they'll pretty much all need replacing at once.
(17 Jan 2024, 10:35 pm)mb134 Imagine it's largely down to Newcastle introducing the CAZ, so they were forced to invest in routes which serve Newcastle ahead of others.
I obviously don't know the GNE financials, but I would imagine some of their highest revenue routes (which can justify new vehicles) are those which serve the biggest city in the region. Given the nature of the GNE network, many of these routes also pass through Gateshead prior to getting to Newcastle which again is another major place along the route to make money. I think another issue is that with the lack of recent investment in even these routes (the Angel Streetdecks are nearly 7 years old), it means that nothing newer can be cascaded to the rest of the network hence seeing 2006 E400s on routes like the 16 and 58 plate Tridents on the 21. It's the same problem as Arriva have really, just in their case they have a load of single deckers from around 2009 which aren't quite ready for the scrap yard, but when they are they'll pretty much all need replacing at once.
(17 Jan 2024, 5:26 pm)Storx Not sure any of the stuff on the X46/64 will be getting displaced, it'll be a one way trip to the local scrap yard. Mind surprised they've gone for Deckers on the 64, must be doing well post Covid as it never used to be a Decker route (aware of frequency reductions).
(17 Jan 2024, 5:26 pm)Storx Not sure any of the stuff on the X46/64 will be getting displaced, it'll be a one way trip to the local scrap yard. Mind surprised they've gone for Deckers on the 64, must be doing well post Covid as it never used to be a Decker route (aware of frequency reductions).
(17 Jan 2024, 10:58 pm)Storx In fairness, I'm surprised Deptford (maybe technical I don't know?) isn't sustainable for some form of electric buses.
The 2/2A, 56 and 60 seem the sort of routes which would be ideal for it and would benefit many different areas and even Newcastle if the 56 was chosen. Seem more beneficial than the X66 which people are on for 10 minutes max.
All 3 routes are pretty much crying out for investment aswell really with those buses displaced to see off Versa's etc.
(17 Jan 2024, 10:58 pm)Storx In fairness, I'm surprised Deptford (maybe technical I don't know?) isn't sustainable for some form of electric buses.
The 2/2A, 56 and 60 seem the sort of routes which would be ideal for it and would benefit many different areas and even Newcastle if the 56 was chosen. Seem more beneficial than the X66 which people are on for 10 minutes max.
All 3 routes are pretty much crying out for investment aswell really with those buses displaced to see off Versa's etc.
(18 Jan 2024, 12:38 am)DaveFromUpNorth Deptford depot ATM is the black sheep of the company just like percy main was years ago in relation to the aging fleet.
I may be cynical but it is good in business terms that Deptford currently gets the mid term "older buses"
We are only looking 15-20 years ago that Deptford had a massive investment of brand new buses to the area... it is other depot terms
Deptford Consett and Washington (and an odd couple of routes at Percy Main) are the main routes that do not have to be euro6 compliant aka able to drive in Gateshead/NEWCASTLE
With this in mind older fleet is better re-purposed with the least restrictions.
41/41a has some of the worst buses in the fleet operating on the route as well as collectively the North Tyneside schools and works services
Look back to Covid 19 bus depots were closed and used as storage and every bus that was the best value for money aka cost per mile in fuel and operating costs was used to provide a service everything else was SORN
There is also another aspect to consider if a service route which I think (Seaham 60 service and Murton) are prone to random smashed windows which buses are cheaper to replace in terms of windows?
Just remember when the Quayside buses before Electric (yellow and black livery) were displaced to 41 41a and Percy Main when the Electric buses came in but they didn't stay for long.and were moved on.
X66 funding I am actually in favour for - it's an express route but means It could be interworked or extended in the future
What says in the future the X66 does not operate Gateshead - metrocentre a (x100 ) (new fictional service) Metrocentre to Eldon Square (DIrect)
After all from 1st Jan 2024 GNE will not accept Stagecoach tickets on their services (a gentlemen agreement during covid)
Two express routes will also improve reliability (your next service 10 is terminating at Metrocentre jump on this X100 to metrocentre where the bus will meet you)
Improving X66 gives flexibility to displace onto other services or let it interwork
(18 Jan 2024, 12:38 am)DaveFromUpNorth Deptford depot ATM is the black sheep of the company just like percy main was years ago in relation to the aging fleet.
I may be cynical but it is good in business terms that Deptford currently gets the mid term "older buses"
We are only looking 15-20 years ago that Deptford had a massive investment of brand new buses to the area... it is other depot terms
Deptford Consett and Washington (and an odd couple of routes at Percy Main) are the main routes that do not have to be euro6 compliant aka able to drive in Gateshead/NEWCASTLE
With this in mind older fleet is better re-purposed with the least restrictions.
41/41a has some of the worst buses in the fleet operating on the route as well as collectively the North Tyneside schools and works services
Look back to Covid 19 bus depots were closed and used as storage and every bus that was the best value for money aka cost per mile in fuel and operating costs was used to provide a service everything else was SORN
There is also another aspect to consider if a service route which I think (Seaham 60 service and Murton) are prone to random smashed windows which buses are cheaper to replace in terms of windows?
Just remember when the Quayside buses before Electric (yellow and black livery) were displaced to 41 41a and Percy Main when the Electric buses came in but they didn't stay for long.and were moved on.
X66 funding I am actually in favour for - it's an express route but means It could be interworked or extended in the future
What says in the future the X66 does not operate Gateshead - metrocentre a (x100 ) (new fictional service) Metrocentre to Eldon Square (DIrect)
After all from 1st Jan 2024 GNE will not accept Stagecoach tickets on their services (a gentlemen agreement during covid)
Two express routes will also improve reliability (your next service 10 is terminating at Metrocentre jump on this X100 to metrocentre where the bus will meet you)
Improving X66 gives flexibility to displace onto other services or let it interwork
Looks like the Stagecoach element includes a Park and Ride and buses for the 30/31/36 https://twitter.com/skmpub/status/175050...ZPASjax3HQ&s=19
