Newly transferred to Redcar whitby
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22 Mar 2024, 11:43 pm,
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RE: Newly transferred to Redcar whitby
(22 Mar 2024, 10:50 pm)mb134 wrote Can I shock you with the information that people get on the bus outside of Ashington and Newcastle? Guide Post, Bedlington, Newbiggin, Cramlington, Gosforth, Stakeford, Choppington, and Wansbeck Hospital aren't going to suddenly disappear. Those places alone won't be sustainable for the frequencies currently though. I'm unsure on the second part. I'd imagine there's plenty people who will be using the buses for convenience reasons as much as anything else, ie don't want to drive to Newcastle, in particular, because of the traffic or the cost of parking etc. I know a few people who choose transport like that. Personally I think they'll be the customers who'll go aswell as they'll drive to a station instead and jump on the train instead especially from the likes of Newbiggin where the X21 is long, as an understatement. How many of them there are, who knows vs those who can't drive for economic reasons. |
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23 Mar 2024, 12:00 am,
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RE: Newly transferred to Redcar whitby
(22 Mar 2024, 11:43 pm)Storx wrote Those places alone won't be sustainable for the frequencies currently though. Morpeth, a place with a population roughly half of Ashington, sustains a 15 minute express bus (journey time 33 mins) frequency to Newcastle while having a train service which takes just 14 minutes. I assume those services are simply full of passengers from economic hubs such as Felton, Longhorsley, Ulgham, Shilbottle, and Thropton? |
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23 Mar 2024, 12:35 am,
Post: #23
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RE: Newly transferred to Redcar whitby
(23 Mar 2024, 12:00 am)mb134 wrote Morpeth, a place with a population roughly half of Ashington, sustains a 15 minute express bus (journey time 33 mins) frequency to Newcastle while having a train service which takes just 14 minutes. I assume those services are simply full of passengers from economic hubs such as Felton, Longhorsley, Ulgham, Shilbottle, and Thropton? I'm not sure Morpeth is comparable. Considering the X14/X15 and X18 (not counting the X16 as it's not commercial) take 30 minutes or so in comparison to nearer an hour from Ashington and also go places well beyond it such as Alnwick, Amble, Seahouses etc so have some flows going in the opposite direction against the peaks. No-one is travelling to Ashington from Newcastle etc unless you really need to. Also there's no buses that serve any of the housing ie. Stobhill towards Newcastle which are near the train station. |
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23 Mar 2024, 8:11 am,
Post: #24
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RE: Newly transferred to Redcar whitby
(22 Mar 2024, 10:50 pm)mb134 wrote Can I shock you with the information that people get on the bus outside of Ashington and Newcastle? Guide Post, Bedlington, Newbiggin, Cramlington, Gosforth, Stakeford, Choppington, and Wansbeck Hospital aren't going to suddenly disappear.It's got axle problems nothing to do with maintenance I herd it's awaiting to get sent away to get sort it's spent it's hafe it's life on the x93 so u can expect ware and tare on the volvos |
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23 Mar 2024, 9:29 am,
Post: #25
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RE: Newly transferred to Redcar whitby
Much of Arriva North East deserves some new buses and investment, it shouldn't be the north vs the south of the area. I do agree that Redcar don't look after their buses very well though, or even allocate properly.
Double deckers are often seen on the 62, which is a complete waste. And I've seen myself drivers literally kicking buses, pulling and tugging at doors trying to get them to close properly and so on, at Redcar Clock right outside their office and in full view of many passengers. It doesn't tell me that they have any pride in their fleet or look after them properly. |
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23 Mar 2024, 11:11 am,
Post: #26
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RE: Newly transferred to Redcar whitby
(23 Mar 2024, 12:35 am)Storx wrote No-one is travelling to Ashington from Newcastle etc unless you really need to. Again, I don't think you understand the passenger flows on the services. You're ignoring the fact that there are multiple places between Newcastle and Ashington where people go, for example Cramlington Industrial Estate. Morning X21/22s often leave Newcastle with 20-30+ people on them, so evidently there are northbound passengers in the morning. Morning trips through to town also drop off hefty amounts there, and also at Regent Centre. (23 Mar 2024, 9:29 am)tvd wrote Much of Arriva North East deserves some new buses and investment, it shouldn't be the north vs the south of the area. I do agree that Redcar don't look after their buses very well though, or even allocate properly. Agreed. There's clear need for investment across the board, and the robbing Peter to pay Paul approach clearly doesn't work. That said, as you've pointed out, it's been clear to anyone with eyes for years now that Redcar are incapable of looking after vehicles properly. Things are sent out days after breaking down onto demanding routes, just to break again for the same reason. It's neglect of the vehicles, and other depots are constantly suffering for it. (23 Mar 2024, 9:29 am)tvd wrote Much of Arriva North East deserves some new buses and investment, it shouldn't be the north vs the south of the area. I do agree that Redcar don't look after their buses very well though, or even allocate properly. Agreed. There's clear need for investment across the board, and the robbing Peter to pay Paul approach clearly doesn't work. That said, as you've pointed out, it's been clear to anyone with eyes for years now that Redcar are incapable of looking after vehicles properly. Things are sent out days after breaking down onto demanding routes, just to break again for the same reason. It's neglect of the vehicles, and other depots are constantly suffering for it. |
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23 Mar 2024, 11:45 am,
Post: #27
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RE: Newly transferred to Redcar whitby
(23 Mar 2024, 9:29 am)tvd wrote Much of Arriva North East deserves some new buses and investment, it shouldn't be the north vs the south of the area. I do agree that Redcar don't look after their buses very well though, or even allocate properly. I tell you what though. It is a good job that the Temsa's have survived this long, otherwise Redcar would have been lost as a depot if they didn't hold the depot together. Seems to be Pulsars and Deckers always breaking down. |
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23 Mar 2024, 12:06 pm,
Post: #28
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RE: Newly transferred to Redcar whitby
(23 Mar 2024, 11:11 am)mb134 wrote Again, I don't think you understand the passenger flows on the services. You're ignoring the fact that there are multiple places between Newcastle and Ashington where people go, for example Cramlington Industrial Estate. Morning X21/22s often leave Newcastle with 20-30+ people on them, so evidently there are northbound passengers in the morning. Most these are covered by alternative services though for the local runs; 1, 2, 57, 57A etc. Admit not as frequent but surely you'd be better off trying to grow those routes. I'd imagine the Regent Centre customers will be the first to move across considering you can get integrated tickets which would be substantially cheaper than having to get 2 products as now. We just have very different opinions on the train usage and I think, personally, it'll be much much greater than you predict and will impact the routes big time. Like personally I wouldn't be surprised if one of the Ashington buses started going via Cramlington and open more links as the Cramlington links are still poor from most parts of Bedlington etc. |
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23 Mar 2024, 1:18 pm,
Post: #29
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RE: Newly transferred to Redcar whitby
(23 Mar 2024, 12:06 pm)Storx wrote Most these are covered by alternative services though for the local runs; 1, 2, 57, 57A etc. Admit not as frequent but surely you'd be better off trying to grow those routes. As a few examples, none of the following flows are covered by the 1/2/57/57A:
Regent Centre to anywhere on the Northumberland Line would require either 2 changes (at South Gosforth and Northumberland Park) or a trip into town first to change at Central. If you've got a direct bus who is going to do that given it'll take longer? I think there'll be an impact on the bus in some areas, particularly because of the recent impacts of driver shortages and cancelled trips, but as someone who has had a lot of exposure to these services there are a large amount of passengers who won't be able to complete their trips on the Northumberland Line. |
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23 Mar 2024, 1:18 pm,
Post: #30
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RE: Newly transferred to Redcar whitby
However in terms of the title of the chat. 3 have been sent to redcar/whitby and only 1 has been put into service
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23 Mar 2024, 2:43 pm,
Post: #31
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RE: Newly transferred to Redcar whitby
(23 Mar 2024, 1:18 pm)mb134 wrote As a few examples, none of the following flows are covered by the 1/2/57/57A: Aye of course, I don't expect the buses to be cancelled all together of course. I don't want to go down the suggestions but I wouldn't be surprised to see the X22 go via Cramlington to stock up the X10/X11 personally. Drop the X10/X11 down to 3 BPH and then have the X22 running with them so it's 6 BPH to Cramlington. It could easily run the current route to Brockwell then just rejoin the current route by the A192. Cramlington isn't going nowhere. Personally I'd love to see the X9 upped to 3 BPH aswell and try and grow it on the massive new housing estates being built at the West side of the town tbh. |
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25 Mar 2024, 7:13 pm,
Post: #32
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RE: Newly transferred to Redcar whitby
When it's 7581 due to transfer to redcar
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25 Mar 2024, 8:19 pm,
Post: #33
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RE: Newly transferred to Redcar whitby
(25 Mar 2024, 7:13 pm)Ryland wrote When it's 7581 due to transfer to redcar I been thinking the same as its meant to be coming down and that about pulling doors I'm sure u have made that up (23 Mar 2024, 9:29 am)tvd wrote Much of Arriva North East deserves some new buses and investment, it shouldn't be the north vs the south of the area. I do agree that Redcar don't look after their buses very well though, or even allocate properly. Redcar do lool after there buses when deckers on the 62 there down from whitby for a reson and absolutely bull about drivers pulling doors or closing |
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25 Mar 2024, 10:46 pm,
Post: #34
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RE: Newly transferred to Redcar whitby
(25 Mar 2024, 8:19 pm)Mark66t wrote I been thinking the same as its meant to be coming down and that about pulling doors I'm sure u have made that up The thing about drivers with the doors is true. Most of the Driver Cab doors are dodgy because of wear and tear so they have to be rammed shut. |
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26 Mar 2024, 12:42 pm,
Post: #35
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Newly transferred to Redcar whitby
(25 Mar 2024, 7:13 pm)Ryland wrote When it's 7581 due to transfer to redcar Seemingly delayed a little while, have heard it’s until they have 7574 back on the road (accident damage the other week) which sounds plausible. Also they’ve received 1539 but the engine fitted didn’t last too long so needs a return to Durham…! Redcar I am told are prepping 7424 for a return… Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Forum Moderator | Let us know if you have any issues Service Manager, Coatham Connect |
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26 Mar 2024, 2:21 pm,
Post: #36
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Newly transferred to Redcar whitby
I’m guessing 7579/7580/7581 are transfers & 7578 is only a loan
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26 Mar 2024, 3:33 pm,
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RE: Newly transferred to Redcar whitby
(26 Mar 2024, 2:21 pm)Spottybus wrote I’m guessing 7579/7580/7581 are transfers & 7578 is only a loan From what everyone was saying before, I believe they are all transfers to ensure the X93/X94 has maximum capacity. And I must say, it hasn't been a great start. (26 Mar 2024, 12:42 pm)tyresmoke wrote Seemingly delayed a little while, have heard it’s until they have 7574 back on the road (accident damage the other week) which sounds plausible. That doesn't surprise me. I'm surprised if its not 7425 which seemed more reliable than 24 and 26 |
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26 Mar 2024, 3:34 pm,
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Newly transferred to Redcar whitby
(26 Mar 2024, 3:33 pm)Mike_98 wrote From what everyone was saying before, I believe they are all transfers to ensure the X93/X94 has maximum capacity. And I must say, it hasn't been a great start. 7579/7580/7581 are to replace 7424/5/6 so 7578 has to be on loan to help cover 7581 to wait for 7574 to return Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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26 Mar 2024, 4:11 pm,
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27 Mar 2024, 9:27 am,
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