(08 Jun 2024, 11:20 am)Aaron21 wrote Any idea what the 57 change is

probably just a Timetable change

(08 Jun 2024, 2:05 pm)SSBKingeta wrote probably just a Timetable change

It's a variation so I think we are just wondering if it's coming back to full service or not...

The 65 change will probably just be a timetable change to the service from Durham that arrives in Seaham around 3 pm which then goes on a peak 861 to Murton then runs dead to Durham for a 20 to Sunderland

(08 Jun 2024, 3:56 pm)d9817362 wrote It's a variation so I think we are just wondering if it's coming back to full service or not...

The section between Heworth and Wardley is secured by Nexus and the contract renews this July.


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(08 Jun 2024, 6:23 pm)Dan wrote The section between Heworth and Wardley is secured by Nexus and the contract renews this July.


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So do gne not have that section now? Or is it going to stay with gne or is it like an evening Sunday stuff

(08 Jun 2024, 6:42 pm)Aaron21 wrote So do gne not have that section now? Or is it going to stay with gne or is it like an evening Sunday stuff

Yes, Go North East currently hold the contract to run the 57 between Heworth and Wardley. That contract will renew this July.


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(08 Jun 2024, 8:16 pm)Dan wrote Yes, Go North East currently hold the contract to run the 57 between Heworth and Wardley. That contract will renew this July.


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Ah so it's the contract renewing. Nothing like there losing evening or Sunday journeys or some other stuff

(08 Jun 2024, 8:16 pm)Dan wrote Yes, Go North East currently hold the contract to run the 57 between Heworth and Wardley. That contract will renew this July.


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That is insane. GNE get NEXUS to pay to go around Wardley, but are happy to have the bus sit at Market Street for 20+ minutes on their own watch. THAT is what is wrong with the current system.

(09 Jun 2024, 7:40 am)DeltaMan wrote That is insane. GNE get NEXUS to pay to go around Wardley, but are happy to have the bus sit at Market Street for 20+ minutes on their own watch. THAT is what is wrong with the current system.

But Nexus don’t have to pay GNE - Dan said it’s been out to tender so GCT, Aline or JH could have tendered and won it. 
With the convoluted route around Wardley it takes longer Heworth-Wardley-Heworth than the 57 sits in Newcastle. 
GNE would actually save a load of money if they curtailed the 57 at Gateshead, but that would require consultation under the EP (and who is going to say yes to the question “would you like your bus service curtailing at Gateshead”?

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(07 Jun 2024, 11:35 pm)F114TML wrote It'll be a variation of the 201, probably just going the other way round Bracken Hill or something silly. If they brought the 202 back it'd be a separate reg.

Whatever the change on 201/202 is it will be instigated by Durham CC as it’s a tendered service.

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(09 Jun 2024, 7:40 am)DeltaMan wrote That is insane. GNE get NEXUS to pay to go around Wardley, but are happy to have the bus sit at Market Street for 20+ minutes on their own watch. THAT is what is wrong with the current system.

But Nexus don’t have to pay GNE - Dan said it’s been out to tender so GCT, Aline or JH could have tendered and won it. 
With the convoluted route around Wardley it takes longer Heworth-Wardley-Heworth than the 57 sits in Newcastle. 
GNE would actually save a load of money if they curtailed the 57 at Gateshead, but that would require consultation under the EP (and who is going to say yes to the question “would you like your bus service curtailing at Gateshead”?

The comments from VOSA for these changes and their via points, doesn't say much though:

X30 (X31, X32)
Stanley - Newcastle via Shield Row, Sunniside
Revised route and timetable

57
Wardley - Newcastle via Heworth, Leam Lane Estate, Beacon Lough Estate, Queen Elizabeth Hospital, Gateshead
Revised route and timetable

9
Sunderland - North Shields via Fulwell, East Boldon, West Boldon, Boldon ASDA, York Avenue, Jarrow, Tyne Tunnel, Royal Quays
Revised route and timetable

47
Consett - Newcastle via Bridgehill, Shotley Bridge, Blackhall Mill, Chopwell, High Spen, Rowlands Gill, Metrocentre
Revised timetable

51 (52)
Gateshead - Gateshead via Carr Hill, Heworth, Fewster Square, Springwell Estate, Wrekenton, Dryden Road
Revised timetable

201 (202)
Peterlee - Peterlee via North West Industrial Estate, Bracken Hill Business Park, Acre Rigg
Revised route and timetable

939
Sunderland - Team Valley via Waterview Park, Concord, Washington
Revised timetable

X71 (X70)
Newcastle - Consett via Sunniside, Burnopfield
Revised route and timetable

65
Seaham - Durham via New Seaham, Dalton Park, Murton, Hetton le Hole, Low Moorsley, Low Pittington, Belmont
Revised timetable

39 (39A, 39B)
Sunderland - Doxford International via Grangetown, Ryhope, Doxford Park, Moorside
Revised route and timetable

35 (35A)
Boldon - Low Moorsley via Castletown, Sunderland, Royal Hospital, Silksworth, East Herrington, Houghton le Spring
Revised timetable

X72
Stanley - Newcastle via Annfield Plain, Dipton, Flint Hill, Burnopfield, Sunniside, Team Valley North, Gateshead

X73
Stanley - Newcastle via Annfield Plain, Dipton, Flint Hill, Sunniside, Whickham, Metrocentre

(09 Jun 2024, 9:30 pm)Storx wrote The comments from VOSA for these changes and their via points, doesn't say much though:

X30 (X31, X32)
Stanley - Newcastle via Shield Row, Sunniside
Revised route and timetable

57
Wardley - Newcastle via Heworth, Leam Lane Estate, Beacon Lough Estate, Queen Elizabeth Hospital, Gateshead
Revised route and timetable

9
Sunderland - North Shields via Fulwell, East Boldon, West Boldon, Boldon ASDA, York Avenue, Jarrow, Tyne Tunnel, Royal Quays
Revised route and timetable

47
Consett - Newcastle via Bridgehill, Shotley Bridge, Blackhall Mill, Chopwell, High Spen, Rowlands Gill, Metrocentre
Revised timetable

51 (52)
Gateshead - Gateshead via Carr Hill, Heworth, Fewster Square, Springwell Estate, Wrekenton, Dryden Road
Revised timetable

201 (202)
Peterlee - Peterlee via North West Industrial Estate, Bracken Hill Business Park, Acre Rigg
Revised route and timetable

939
Sunderland - Team Valley via Waterview Park, Concord, Washington
Revised timetable

X71 (X70)
Newcastle - Consett via Sunniside, Burnopfield
Revised route and timetable

65
Seaham - Durham via New Seaham, Dalton Park, Murton, Hetton le Hole, Low Moorsley, Low Pittington, Belmont
Revised timetable

39 (39A, 39B)
Sunderland - Doxford International via Grangetown, Ryhope, Doxford Park, Moorside
Revised route and timetable

35 (35A)
Boldon - Low Moorsley via Castletown, Sunderland, Royal Hospital, Silksworth, East Herrington, Houghton le Spring
Revised timetable

X72
Stanley - Newcastle via Annfield Plain, Dipton, Flint Hill, Burnopfield, Sunniside, Team Valley North, Gateshead

X73
Stanley - Newcastle via Annfield Plain, Dipton, Flint Hill, Sunniside, Whickham, Metrocentre

So the 39 changes whats gonna service Washington houghton and pennywell

(09 Jun 2024, 10:42 pm)Acky81 wrote So the 39 changes whats gonna service Washington houghton and pennywell

Washington is supposed GCT as a 37 again, the other 2 who knows yet. The registration for the 39 only would be technically right though as it doesn't go to Pennywell that's the 39A/39B. But it might be the answer - who knows.

(09 Jun 2024, 9:30 pm)Storx wrote The comments from VOSA for these changes and their via points, doesn't say much though:

X30 (X31, X32)
Stanley - Newcastle via Shield Row, Sunniside
Revised route and timetable

57
Wardley - Newcastle via Heworth, Leam Lane Estate, Beacon Lough Estate, Queen Elizabeth Hospital, Gateshead
Revised route and timetable

9
Sunderland - North Shields via Fulwell, East Boldon, West Boldon, Boldon ASDA, York Avenue, Jarrow, Tyne Tunnel, Royal Quays
Revised route and timetable

47
Consett - Newcastle via Bridgehill, Shotley Bridge, Blackhall Mill, Chopwell, High Spen, Rowlands Gill, Metrocentre
Revised timetable

51 (52)
Gateshead - Gateshead via Carr Hill, Heworth, Fewster Square, Springwell Estate, Wrekenton, Dryden Road
Revised timetable

201 (202)
Peterlee - Peterlee via North West Industrial Estate, Bracken Hill Business Park, Acre Rigg
Revised route and timetable

939
Sunderland - Team Valley via Waterview Park, Concord, Washington
Revised timetable

X71 (X70)
Newcastle - Consett via Sunniside, Burnopfield
Revised route and timetable

65
Seaham - Durham via New Seaham, Dalton Park, Murton, Hetton le Hole, Low Moorsley, Low Pittington, Belmont
Revised timetable

39 (39A, 39B)
Sunderland - Doxford International via Grangetown, Ryhope, Doxford Park, Moorside
Revised route and timetable

35 (35A)
Boldon - Low Moorsley via Castletown, Sunderland, Royal Hospital, Silksworth, East Herrington, Houghton le Spring
Revised timetable

X72
Stanley - Newcastle via Annfield Plain, Dipton, Flint Hill, Burnopfield, Sunniside, Team Valley North, Gateshead

X73
Stanley - Newcastle via Annfield Plain, Dipton, Flint Hill, Sunniside, Whickham, Metrocentre

The hell could the revised route of the 57 be. There's nothing much you can change unless they send it via part of the 67/69 route

there's hell on ..... with the 67 and 69 no longer going as far as wardley- losing connection to qe from there and leam lane. GNE don't endure themselves to potential punters do they??!!

(10 Jun 2024, 7:34 am)Rob44 wrote there's hell on ..... with the 67 and 69 no longer going as far as wardley- losing connection to qe from there and leam lane.  GNE don't endure themselves to potential punters do they??!!

Doesn’t the 57 go to the QE though?

(10 Jun 2024, 7:48 am)Thomas12 wrote Doesn’t the 57 go to the QE though?

The route the 67/69 take to the QE don't follow the 57 after Wardley so probs a lost connection for a lot of people

(10 Jun 2024, 7:48 am)Thomas12 wrote Doesn’t the 57 go to the QE though?

it does but 2 things

it drops off at durham road where as the 67/69 drop off outside main entrance and also serve windy nook entrance and entrance e

as above it doesnt follow the 67/69 route. it also takes a lot longer going via the OK coral know as becon lough east!

(10 Jun 2024, 7:34 am)Rob44 wrote there's hell on ..... with the 67 and 69 no longer going as far as wardley- losing connection to qe from there and leam lane.  GNE don't endure themselves to potential punters do they??!!

It’s a Nexus contract GNE only run as contracted

(10 Jun 2024, 8:07 am)Rob44 wrote it does but 2 things

it drops off at durham road where as the 67/69 drop off outside main entrance and also serve windy nook entrance and entrance e

as above it doesnt follow the 67/69 route. it also takes a lot longer going via the OK coral know as becon lough east!

I've had secret insight in to the GNE comms strategy and they're currently identifying proposals which involve several changes at obscure locations across the East Gateshead area.

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(10 Jun 2024, 10:50 am)Coastliner700 wrote It’s a Nexus contract GNE only run as contracted

Sure it was mentioned earlier that GNE are taking it back on commercially.

X73 route on Vosa:

PB0003954/1437 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Stanley to Newcastle via Annfield Plain, Dipton, Flint Hill, Sunniside, Whickham, Metrocentre
Service number: X73
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 21 Jul 2024

Still going to be the same old hairdryers & sheds struggling down to M.Boro / West Auckland unless the X30/X31 route change will finally sort the 'low height' issue!

(10 Jun 2024, 11:43 am)Michael wrote X73 route on Vosa:

PB0003954/1437 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Stanley to Newcastle via Annfield Plain, Dipton, Flint Hill, Sunniside, Whickham, Metrocentre
Service number: X73
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 21 Jul 2024

Personally think have GNE missed an opportunity here with this new X73, should've extended it to Lanchester replacing the 6 in order to provide a faster express service to MetroCentre and Newcastle for those along that section of route. 

It otherwise seems like they are duplicating the 6 for the most part between Stanley and MetroCentre/Newcastle whilst potentially offering a combined frequency of Every 20 Mins on shared sections of the route.

(10 Jun 2024, 9:37 pm)Malarkey wrote Personally think have GNE missed an opportunity here with this new X73, should've extended it to Lanchester replacing the 6 in order to provide a faster express service to MetroCentre and Newcastle for those along that section of route. 

It otherwise seems like they are duplicating the 6 for the most part between Stanley and MetroCentre/Newcastle whilst potentially offering a combined frequency of Every 20 Mins on shared sections of the route.

Imo this X73 is just stupid. They need to rewind the clocks and go back to two routes on a similar corridor to the 43/44 between Stanley and Newcastle, they worked for years and offer better links that the mess it is now after 200 changes. If the X70 is resurrected, there's no need for the X72 anymore. You might aswell make a proper express from Stanley to Newcastle via Gateshead instead rather than around the world and send that through to Lanchester instead.

(10 Jun 2024, 11:04 pm)Storx wrote Imo this X73 is just stupid. They need to rewind the clocks and go back to two routes on a similar corridor to the 43/44 between Stanley and Newcastle, they worked for years and offer better links that the mess it is now after 200 changes. If the X70 is resurrected, there's no need for the X72 anymore. You might aswell make a proper express from Stanley to Newcastle via Gateshead instead rather than around the world and send that through to Lanchester instead.

I normally agree with you, but i think 200 changes is a bit of truth bending there, the should just bring the 43/43A (if there was a 43A might be getting confused with Arriva)/44/44A

(11 Jun 2024, 1:54 am)V514DFT wrote I normally agree with you, but i think 200 changes is a bit of truth bending there, the should just bring the 43/43A (if there was a 43A might be getting confused with Arriva)/44/44A

Ha it was tounge in cheek, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's near 30 times, not being sarcastic. The amount of times the M5/M6/M7/6/7/X72/X30/97/1 has changed is absolutely ridiculous as they're all connected to the old 43/44 routes. 

Agreed though, I'd probably just do the 6/7/7A though even known there's already two 6's at the Metrocentre. Want to say there used to be a B at one point aswell?

Aye 30 sounds about right, i dont remember there being a 6B, not saying you're wrong, just cant remember lol

(11 Jun 2024, 8:38 am)V514DFT wrote Aye 30 sounds about right, i dont remember there being a 6B, not saying you're wrong, just cant remember lol

Sorry meant 44B there, used to be a night variant if I remember right similar to the 28B.

(11 Jun 2024, 10:50 am)Storx wrote Sorry meant 44B there, used to be a night variant if I remember right similar to the 28B.

Rings a bell

(11 Jun 2024, 11:08 am)V514DFT wrote Rings a bell

Just had a look on wayback seems it was an early Sunday service which a 43B instead.

https://web.archive.org/web/201102251911...n/18437.64 - Btw for those too young for the 43/44 these were the routes in it's last incarnation (they changed a lot aswell).

(11 Jun 2024, 1:11 pm)Storx wrote Just had a look on wayback seems it was an early Sunday service which a 43B instead.

https://web.archive.org/web/201102251911...n/18437.64 - Btw for those too young for the 43/44 these were the routes in it's last incarnation (they changed a lot aswell).

Found a 44b timetable back from 2005. 

Think they all ended up being included in the Stanley Shuttle 'brand'.

Can remember Saturday's being absolute carnage with those routes and the waits in places being ridiculous. Looking at the timetable, you can see why. 
On a slightly connected note, my last ever ride on a Lance came after a sizeable wait in Dipton one Saturday afternoon. Can't remember what number it was, but it was a SS route. 
Came complete with a paper desti.