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RE: September 2024 Changes
(13 Jul 2024, 9:16 pm)Ambassador wrote You probably need less services going into Eldon Square then more.

Services like the 21 that tend to be in and out could easily omit and drop off or  pick up on st Mary’s place or Newgate street and keep the flow going

Stand F for example last week had a late running 28, an X21 and an X12 vying for its attention whilst two angels blocked out G and H to the annoyance of the stagecoach passengers. It’s not entirely uncommon. The nexus bod is sometimes good at moving them on or directing passengers

Probably better to swap around the Gateshead services and Coast Road services between the two bus stations since they've been tidied up and there's rarely clashing now.

Could easily have Haymarket like:
L: 21
M: X12/X21(GNE)
N: 25/28/28A/28B/29
P: X1
Q: X10(GNE)/X20
R: X21(ANE)/X22
S: X14/X15/X16/X18
T: 52/352/354
U: 43/44/45
V: X10(ANE)/X11/X30
W: X7/X8/X9
X: 355/47
Y: Set Down

With the 306/308 on Stand E, 307/309 on Stand F and 351/X46/X39 on Stand G. If you wanted to move other services into Haymarket you probably could on Stand M, N and P.
RE: September 2024 Changes
You’d have the challenge of a very tight turn out of Haymarket and then left onto Percy street

I’d relieve capacity by having high frequency services do a loop and stop using the bus station, it works in most major cities. Obviously you’d need improved infrastructure like bus lanes, better stop provision etc but the cost of that vs a bus station would be minimal.

After all the 21 coped for a long time operating on pilgrim st
Wistfully stuck in the 90s
RE: September 2024 Changes
Could merge the Q3 with the 41/41A and have it Hadrian Park - Wallsend - Walker - St Peters - Quayside - Newcastle. Hopefully with a longer route might spread out the delays that they 41/41A seem to suffer in such a short route.
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RE: September 2024 Changes
(14 Jul 2024, 1:27 am)Rapidsnap wrote Could merge the Q3 with the 41/41A and have it Hadrian Park - Wallsend - Walker - St Peters - Quayside - Newcastle. Hopefully with a longer route might spread out the delays that they 41/41A seem to suffer in such a short route.

I've thought this for years
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RE: September 2024 Changes
The Great Park Neighbourhood Association don't seem happy with the Q3/x47 changes.

"Hello Great Parker's!

We intend to send this correspondence tomorrow regarding the bus route provider and route changes that have been divulged and done without resident input.

Any suggestions or information missed from residents we will add to the following letter and want to involve and voice as many people affected as we can.

Please like, comment and share. Power to the residents ??

*Letter:

Dear Mayor, Local MP, Councillors, Consortium Directors, and Stagecoach Bus Company Representative,

The Great Park Neighbourhood Association (GPNA) writes to express our deep concern and disappointment regarding recent changes to bus routes serving our estate, particularly the Q3 route operated by Go North East.

*Consultation Concerns:

A promised consultation regarding these changes did not occur. While the Local Transport Act 1985 does not explicitly mandate consultation for every route change, the Public Service Act 2010 emphasises the importance of public service providers involving users in decision-making. This lack of consultation undermines our ability to understand the rationale behind the changes and provide meaningful feedback. Additionally, information from Stagecoach regarding the proposed changes was shared prematurely, despite prior requests to withhold it. This lack of transparency hinders our ability to participate effectively in the decision-making process.

*Exclusion from Decision-Making:

We requested participation in the transport advisory board meeting where these changes were discussed, to ensure resident feedback was considered. We understand that local councillors were also excluded. This exclusion undermines the role of residents and their elected representatives in shaping their community.

*Impact on the Community:

The new routes significantly impact our community by:

- Cutting off a large part of the estate from easy access to bus services, potentially breaching the Equality Act 2010 regarding public service accessibility.

- Timing changes that prevent many residents from commuting to work or returning home, impacting their right to work. Furthermore, the lack of consultation regarding these changes violates the Public Service Act 2010, which emphasises public service providers involving users in decision-making that could significantly impact their ability to work.

- Reduction in overall service, including the elimination of Sunday service, potentially hindering access to religious worship or other essential activities. The reduction in service, particularly the elimination of Sunday service, could disproportionately impact residents who rely on public transport to access places of worship, potentially breaching the Equality Act 2010.

*Residents' Feedback:

We have collected numerous comments from residents expressing their concerns:

- Many moved to Great Park for the convenience of bus access to Gosforth and Jesmond for socialising and commuting. The changes will leave residents of Melbury and Warkworth Woods without evening public transport from September.

- NHS workers at Freeman Hospital, who are not eligible for parking permits, are particularly affected, with concerns about reaching early shifts and returning home after late shifts.

- Parents with young children and prams find the new routes inconvenient, particularly the loss of the direct route to the Quayside.

- The changes seem to be a cost-cutting measure, reducing frequent links to essential areas like Regent Centre and Gosforth, which are crucial for schoolchildren attending local schools.

- Evening and Sunday services are drastically reduced, leaving approximately 2000 residents without reliable transport during these times. This is particularly isolating for those who cannot walk long distances or cross the A1 bridge.

- Before lockdown, there were 8 buses per hour serving Great Park, which has now been halved despite the estate's growth. The current service is inadequate, with detours and reduced frequency making commuting longer and more complicated.

*Safety and Environmental Concerns:

These changes may lead to increased car usage, exacerbating traffic congestion and emissions in our community. The lack of safe walking routes to distant bus stops also raises significant safety concerns for our residents, particularly during adverse weather conditions or in poorly lit areas.

*Financial Impact:

Many residents now face the financial burden of seeking alternative transport methods, which could be significantly more expensive than the previously available bus services. Was a cost-benefit analysis conducted to justify these changes? If so, we request access to this analysis to understand the financial rationale.

*Park and Ride Concerns:

The changes to the Park and Ride car park raise concerns about compliance with the S106 agreements in place. Additionally, the £818,000 of Community Infrastructure Levy (CIL) funding allocated to convert it into a pick-up and drop-off car park for the Great Park Academy requires further clarification from the City Council. Specifically, we would like to understand how this use of CIL funds aligns with the Community Infrastructure Levy (CIL) Regulations 2010 and how the changes comply with the terms of the existing S106 agreements for the Park and Ride.

*Request for Alternatives and Meeting:

We urgently request a meeting with representatives from the consortium, the bus company, Newcastle City Council, the newly appointed Mayor, and local councillors to address these issues and find immediate and long-term solutions before the changes take effect at the end of August. Potential solutions could include restoring certain routes, implementing shuttle services, or offering subsidised transport options for affected residents. This meeting is crucial to ensure resident voices are heard and the needs of our community are met.

Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter.

Yours sincerely,

Jamie Robinson
Chair
GPNA"
RE: September 2024 Changes
(15 Jul 2024, 11:46 am)Shrek wrote The Great Park Neighbourhood Association don't seem happy with the Q3/x47 changes.

"Hello Great Parker's!

We intend to send this correspondence tomorrow regarding the bus route provider and route changes that have been divulged and done without resident input.

Any suggestions or information missed from residents we will add to the following letter and want to involve and voice as many people affected as we can.

Please like, comment and share. Power to the residents ??

*Letter:

Dear Mayor, Local MP, Councillors, Consortium Directors, and Stagecoach Bus Company Representative,

The Great Park Neighbourhood Association (GPNA) writes to express our deep concern and disappointment regarding recent changes to bus routes serving our estate, particularly the Q3 route operated by Go North East.

*Consultation Concerns:

A promised consultation regarding these changes did not occur. While the Local Transport Act 1985 does not explicitly mandate consultation for every route change, the Public Service Act 2010 emphasises the importance of public service providers involving users in decision-making. This lack of consultation undermines our ability to understand the rationale behind the changes and provide meaningful feedback. Additionally, information from Stagecoach regarding the proposed changes was shared prematurely, despite prior requests to withhold it. This lack of transparency hinders our ability to participate effectively in the decision-making process.

*Exclusion from Decision-Making:

We requested participation in the transport advisory board meeting where these changes were discussed, to ensure resident feedback was considered. We understand that local councillors were also excluded. This exclusion undermines the role of residents and their elected representatives in shaping their community.

*Impact on the Community:

The new routes significantly impact our community by:

- Cutting off a large part of the estate from easy access to bus services, potentially breaching the Equality Act 2010 regarding public service accessibility.

- Timing changes that prevent many residents from commuting to work or returning home, impacting their right to work. Furthermore, the lack of consultation regarding these changes violates the Public Service Act 2010, which emphasises public service providers involving users in decision-making that could significantly impact their ability to work.

- Reduction in overall service, including the elimination of Sunday service, potentially hindering access to religious worship or other essential activities. The reduction in service, particularly the elimination of Sunday service, could disproportionately impact residents who rely on public transport to access places of worship, potentially breaching the Equality Act 2010.

*Residents' Feedback:

We have collected numerous comments from residents expressing their concerns:

- Many moved to Great Park for the convenience of bus access to Gosforth and Jesmond for socialising and commuting. The changes will leave residents of Melbury and Warkworth Woods without evening public transport from September.

- NHS workers at Freeman Hospital, who are not eligible for parking permits, are particularly affected, with concerns about reaching early shifts and returning home after late shifts.

- Parents with young children and prams find the new routes inconvenient, particularly the loss of the direct route to the Quayside.

- The changes seem to be a cost-cutting measure, reducing frequent links to essential areas like Regent Centre and Gosforth, which are crucial for schoolchildren attending local schools.

- Evening and Sunday services are drastically reduced, leaving approximately 2000 residents without reliable transport during these times. This is particularly isolating for those who cannot walk long distances or cross the A1 bridge.

- Before lockdown, there were 8 buses per hour serving Great Park, which has now been halved despite the estate's growth. The current service is inadequate, with detours and reduced frequency making commuting longer and more complicated.

*Safety and Environmental Concerns:

These changes may lead to increased car usage, exacerbating traffic congestion and emissions in our community. The lack of safe walking routes to distant bus stops also raises significant safety concerns for our residents, particularly during adverse weather conditions or in poorly lit areas.

*Financial Impact:

Many residents now face the financial burden of seeking alternative transport methods, which could be significantly more expensive than the previously available bus services. Was a cost-benefit analysis conducted to justify these changes? If so, we request access to this analysis to understand the financial rationale.

*Park and Ride Concerns:

The changes to the Park and Ride car park raise concerns about compliance with the S106 agreements in place. Additionally, the £818,000 of Community Infrastructure Levy (CIL) funding allocated to convert it into a pick-up and drop-off car park for the Great Park Academy requires further clarification from the City Council. Specifically, we would like to understand how this use of CIL funds aligns with the Community Infrastructure Levy (CIL) Regulations 2010 and how the changes comply with the terms of the existing S106 agreements for the Park and Ride.

*Request for Alternatives and Meeting:

We urgently request a meeting with representatives from the consortium, the bus company, Newcastle City Council, the newly appointed Mayor, and local councillors to address these issues and find immediate and long-term solutions before the changes take effect at the end of August. Potential solutions could include restoring certain routes, implementing shuttle services, or offering subsidised transport options for affected residents. This meeting is crucial to ensure resident voices are heard and the needs of our community are met.

Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter.

Yours sincerely,

Jamie Robinson 
Chair 
GPNA"
So exactly do they want. What's the X47/49 not doing that the Q3 already does. Also isn't this just a "proposal timetable" not the actual thing. I don't get what the complaint here is. Surely though even if this plan goes through. Surely nexus won't already have an evening & Sundays service thought of already
RE: September 2024 Changes
(15 Jul 2024, 11:37 am)Aaron21 wrote Bus org registered today show Go North East have lost the 941 workers service

Any info on if the 941 service is withdrawn or just changing operator? Maybe Northstar or GCT could run it?
RE: September 2024 Changes
(15 Jul 2024, 12:33 pm)OrangeArrow49 wrote Any info on if the 941 service is withdrawn or just changing operator? Maybe Northstar or GCT could run it?

Just Go North and ain't running it anymore
RE: September 2024 Changes
(15 Jul 2024, 12:13 pm)Aaron21 wrote So exactly do they want. What's the X47/49 not doing that the Q3 already does. Also isn't this just a "proposal timetable" not the actual thing. I don't get what the complaint here is. Surely though even if this plan goes through. Surely nexus won't already have an evening & Sundays service thought of already

Not sure how it’s a reduction in service the Q3 is 3 buses per hour the X47 will be 4 faster buses per hour as well as the 49
RE: September 2024 Changes
(15 Jul 2024, 6:13 pm)Coastliner700 wrote Not sure how it’s a reduction in service the Q3 is 3 buses per hour the X47 will be 4 faster buses per hour as well as the 49

(15 Jul 2024, 12:13 pm)Aaron21 wrote So exactly do they want. What's the X47/49 not doing that the Q3 already does. Also isn't this just a "proposal timetable" not the actual thing. I don't get what the complaint here is. Surely though even if this plan goes through. Surely nexus won't already have an evening & Sundays service thought of already

I imagine because those living in the Melbury/Warkworth Woods sections of Great Park aren't best pleased at being cut off entirely on evenings and Sundays. It's also difficult/impossible for people to get to Regent Centre in time to connect with the 553 for morning shifts at the Freeman. 

For everyone on the other side of the A1 (the 'main' part, realistically), these changes are improvements in just about every way. More frequent, better evening services, quicker journey times, and links to Kingston Park. An improved 49 (earlier and later journeys) would pretty much solve all issues people have with these changes.
RE: September 2024 Changes
(15 Jul 2024, 6:13 pm)Coastliner700 wrote Not sure how it’s a reduction in service the Q3 is 3 buses per hour the X47 will be 4 faster buses per hour as well as the 49

46.

Used to be 4 buses an hour 46, 4 buses an hour Q3. Note pre COVID.
RE: September 2024 Changes
(14 Jul 2024, 1:27 am)Rapidsnap wrote Could merge the Q3 with the 41/41A and have it Hadrian Park - Wallsend - Walker - St Peters - Quayside - Newcastle. Hopefully with a longer route might spread out the delays that they 41/41A seem to suffer in such a short route.

I'd personally at Newcastle also merge it onto the 53/54 running a mixed allocation of E10/E12's as it would certainly give some long term sustainability to be ran commercially than have 2 of the 3 existing routes being supported by Nexus, only issue would be routing to merge onto the 53.

There are a lot of routes across the region that could be merged together in order to streamline services and offer improved connections for locals, for example the Arriva 43/44/45 and Go North East 58 are due to get Electric Deckers following successful Zebra2 bids, why not merge the services into one and have them jointly operated similar to how we currently have with the 306/307/308/309 on the Coast Road Corridor.
RE: September 2024 Changes
Not going to copy and paste that but what a load of garbage. People not been able to get to church. Parents not being able to get to Quay side. Welcolme to the world of bus travel for most people in the north east!!
RE: September 2024 Changes
(15 Jul 2024, 9:00 pm)Malarkey wrote I'd personally at Newcastle also merge it onto the 53/54 running a mixed allocation of E10/E12's as it would certainly give some long term sustainability to be ran commercially than have 2 of the 3 existing routes being supported by Nexus, only issue would be routing to merge onto the 53.

There are a lot of routes across the region that could be merged together in order to streamline services and offer improved connections for locals, for example the Arriva 43/44/45 and Go North East 58 are due to get Electric Deckers following successful Zebra2 bids, why not merge the services into one and have them jointly operated similar to how we currently have with the 306/307/308/309 on the Coast Road Corridor.

Even known its probably possible I'm not sure I'd like to drive a 12.8m bus in the Coatsworth area. 

They have Midibuses on there for a reason.

The electric buses should've never went on the Q3. It's always been a basketcase of a route topped up by subsidies. 

I'm seeing all these people moaning about the buses but I don't know where they are because the Q buses in the Northern section carry low single numbers and the Jesmond stuff is nonsense because there were moaning about that a few weeks ago.
RE: September 2024 Changes
(13 Jul 2024, 9:16 pm)Ambassador wrote You probably need less services going into Eldon Square then more.

Services like the 21 that tend to be in and out could easily omit and drop off or  pick up on st Mary’s place or Newgate street and keep the flow going

Stand F for example last week had a late running 28, an X21 and an X12 vying for its attention whilst two angels blocked out G and H to the annoyance of the stagecoach passengers. It’s not entirely uncommon. The nexus bod is sometimes good at moving them on or directing passengers

Imagine the Q along newgate street if a couple of 21's were late.  It would be up to where KFC is. An the bus stops out side the takeaway where wilko used to be are rubbish too. I nearly missed the 28B last night as 4 buses all came at once and each one was requested to stop.

If it was me i'd take the 28/29 out during day and do a anti clockwise circut of the centre as has been mentioned before.  I'd leave the late 28b service in there though

They could alos knock all the bus stations down and start again makeing a MEGA Bus Sation
RE: September 2024 Changes
(16 Jul 2024, 8:54 am)Storx wrote I'm seeing all these people moaning about the buses but I don't know where they are because the Q buses in the Northern section carry low single numbers and the Jesmond stuff is nonsense because there were moaning about that a few weeks ago.

That isn't true. 

They're nowhere near as busy as the rest of the services on that corridor, but they're a bit busier these days than low single numbers.
RE: September 2024 Changes
(16 Jul 2024, 10:44 am)PH - BQA wrote That isn't true. 

They're nowhere near as busy as the rest of the services on that corridor, but they're a bit busier these days than low single numbers.

Must've picked up very recently tbh as whenever I see them there's barely anyone on for a 43 to follow behind packed. Must admit it's not peak times though so they might be busier then.
RE: September 2024 Changes
(16 Jul 2024, 8:31 am)Rob44 wrote Not going to copy and paste that but what a load of garbage.  People not been able to get to church. Parents not being able to get to Quay side.  Welcolme to the world of bus travel for most people in the north east!!

Is that not why bus travel keeps failing in the North East though, because it doesn't take people where they want to go?

My experience of people living on Great Park is a lot are looking to get to Regent Centre or Gosforth High Street for work or leisure (especially the High Street on an evening). There is also a surprising number who do go to and from Ouseburn/Quayside area, especially in evenings. 

These new services might be more suitable for Stagecoach and their delivery, but for the users I can understand why going via Kingston Park instead of Gosforth is probably an issue.

I'd often get the bus back from the Ouseburn on an evening to the city Centre of Regent Centre to connect with my bus. I'll be blaming Stagecoach and GNE if I have a heart attack climbing Dene Street ?
RE: September 2024 Changes
(16 Jul 2024, 12:14 pm)Shrek wrote Is that not why bus travel keeps failing in the North East though, because it doesn't take people where they want to go?

My experience of people living on Great Park is a lot are looking to get to Regent Centre or Gosforth High Street for work or leisure (especially the High Street on an evening). There is also a surprising number who do go to and from Ouseburn/Quayside area, especially in evenings. 

These new services might be more suitable for Stagecoach and their delivery, but for the users I can understand why going via Kingston Park instead of Gosforth is probably an issue.

I'd often get the bus back from the Ouseburn on an evening to the city Centre of Regent Centre to connect with my bus. I'll be blaming Stagecoach and GNE if I have a heart attack climbing Dene Street ?

But you still can - the q3 that going to continue to run to haymarket - then change there for your bus to ???? 

I loved going to the quay side but would expect the 44 ( the bus i used to use) to go down there or the 27 (which i use now) to detour down there instead of over the tyne bridge.
RE: September 2024 Changes
(16 Jul 2024, 12:14 pm)Shrek wrote Is that not why bus travel keeps failing in the North East though, because it doesn't take people where they want to go?

My experience of people living on Great Park is a lot are looking to get to Regent Centre or Gosforth High Street for work or leisure (especially the High Street on an evening). There is also a surprising number who do go to and from Ouseburn/Quayside area, especially in evenings. 

These new services might be more suitable for Stagecoach and their delivery, but for the users I can understand why going via Kingston Park instead of Gosforth is probably an issue.

I'd often get the bus back from the Ouseburn on an evening to the city Centre of Regent Centre to connect with my bus. I'll be blaming Stagecoach and GNE if I have a heart attack climbing Dene Street ?

There's not really any losts links though, the X47 brings a more frequent service which is quicker to Newcastle and the Metro connection still exists at Kingston Park instead. Not to mention more of the Western side of the Great Park actually has a bus now.

The problems are the other side of the A1 where there's next to no bus service but I guess this funding doesn't cover over there so it's down to Nexus to deal with. The X46 running on an evening and Sunday being the obvious answer.
RE: September 2024 Changes
(15 Jul 2024, 12:13 pm)Aaron21 wrote So exactly do they want. What's the X47/49 not doing that the Q3 already does. Also isn't this just a "proposal timetable" not the actual thing. I don't get what the complaint here is. Surely though even if this plan goes through. Surely nexus won't already have an evening & Sundays service thought of already

Smacks of entitlement to me.  The are basically complaining that their frequent bus service to the city centre takes a different route and they would need to change buses to get to Gosforth.  Like thousands of other people across the north east who dont have direct bus services to every place they would like.  In the current climate, the fact there's essentially a frequency increase and still direct service to city centre - yet still moaning.

Obviously think throwing in random reference to the Equality Act is going to help their cause.  Not sure the Equality Act specifies residents have to have a direct bus to Gosforth!  If there are parts of the estate left with no service at all (no access within however many metres is the rule) then this is different, but not just that the service they have doesnt happen to take a given route.

Interesting to note they somehow also manage to combine into the same paragraph complaining about a lack of transarency and consultation, with complaining that the plans have been shared prematurely.  How on earth can be sharing information = lack of transparency?  Or is it that only Great Park residents whose views should be heard before eveyone else's on the route?
RE: September 2024 Changes
(16 Jul 2024, 4:52 pm)stagecoachbusdepot wrote Smacks of entitlement to me.  The are basically complaining that their frequent bus service to the city centre takes a different route and they would need to change buses to get to Gosforth.  Like thousands of other people across the north east who dont have direct bus services to every place they would like.  In the current climate, the fact there's essentially a frequency increase and still direct service to city centre - yet still moaning.

Obviously think throwing in random reference to the Equality Act is going to help their cause.  Not sure the Equality Act specifies residents have to have a direct bus to Gosforth!  If there are parts of the estate left with no service at all (no access within however many metres is the rule) then this is different, but not just that the service they have doesnt happen to take a given route.

Interesting to note they somehow also manage to combine into the same paragraph complaining about a lack of transarency and consultation, with complaining that the plans have been shared prematurely.  How on earth can be sharing information = lack of transparency?  Or is it that only Great Park residents whose views should be heard before eveyone else's on the route?

They're complaining that:
  • Many of them use the bus to connect with other services to get to work, which now isn't possible because of how late the 49 starts/finishes. 
  • Many of them are now totally cut off on evenings and Sundays, and only have a token service M-Sat. 
  • Overall service is less frequent versus pre-Covid. 

I'd say they're fairly understandable complaints. I do agree that overall the service is improved, but to say that highlighting genuine issues 'smacks of entitlement' is mental. Maybe if more communities pushed back on changes in a similar manner then the bus services across the region wouldn't be so poor?
RE: September 2024 Changes
(16 Jul 2024, 1:03 pm)Storx wrote There's not really any losts links though, the X47 brings a more frequent service which is quicker to Newcastle and the Metro connection still exists at Kingston Park instead. Not to mention more of the Western side of the Great Park actually has a bus now.

The problems are the other side of the A1 where there's next to no bus service but I guess this funding doesn't cover over there so it's down to Nexus to deal with. The X46 running on an evening and Sunday being the obvious answer.

Is that route going to be quicker than via Gosforth? My experience of getting through Kingston Park is that it takes ages due to the Metro Line and congestion. I can also understand people not wanting to have to change on to the Metro at Kingston Park to get to Regent Centre and Gosforth when they currently have a direct route. I know if Arriva stopped the 44 at Regent Centre expecting us to swap on to the Metro I'd be straight back in the car.

If they extended the 49 journeys during rush hour to cover Gosforth and ran evening and Sunday journeys it would probably be less of an issue (there's a lot of use at those times, people like their beers), but I guess as you say maybe an x46 could work.

Is there any news of if GNE will continue to run the Q3 from Wallsend to Newcastle (I've missed it if they have). It will be a real shame to lose that Ouseburn and St Peters link from town.
RE: September 2024 Changes
(16 Jul 2024, 5:50 pm)Shrek wrote Is that route going to be quicker than via Gosforth? My experience of getting through Kingston Park is that it takes ages due to the Metro Line and congestion. I can also understand people not wanting to have to change on to the Metro at Kingston Park to get to Regent Centre and Gosforth when they currently have a direct route. I know if Arriva stopped the 44 at Regent Centre expecting us to swap on to the Metro I'd be straight back in the car.

If they extended the 49 journeys during rush hour to cover Gosforth and ran evening and Sunday journeys it would probably be less of an issue (there's a lot of use at those times, people like their beers), but I guess as you say maybe an x46 could work.

Is there any news of if GNE will continue to run the Q3 from Wallsend to Newcastle (I've missed it if they have). It will be a real shame to lose that Ouseburn and St Peters link from town.

The X47 and 49 are timetabled for the exact same time from Great Park to Newcastle, so the X47 will be quicker than the Q3 currently is and I imagine level with how quick the Q3 was pre-Jesmond diversion. 

It looks like they've tried to do the 49 as cheaply as possible after remembering that there are school kids who need to get between Gosforth and Great Park. Realistically it needs to be half hourly all day, with all journeys extending to Newcastle, and hourly on an evening and Sunday.
RE: September 2024 Changes
(16 Jul 2024, 5:50 pm)Shrek wrote Is that route going to be quicker than via Gosforth? My experience of getting through Kingston Park is that it takes ages due to the Metro Line and congestion. I can also understand people not wanting to have to change on to the Metro at Kingston Park to get to Regent Centre and Gosforth when they currently have a direct route. I know if Arriva stopped the 44 at Regent Centre expecting us to swap on to the Metro I'd be straight back in the car.

If they extended the 49 journeys during rush hour to cover Gosforth and ran evening and Sunday journeys it would probably be less of an issue (there's a lot of use at those times, people like their beers), but I guess as you say maybe an x46 could work.

Is there any news of if GNE will continue to run the Q3 from Wallsend to Newcastle (I've missed it if they have). It will be a real shame to lose that Ouseburn and St Peters link from town.

Yeah I'd say so like the post after especially with the detour through Jesmond especially the lights on the Coast Road and also heading towards Blue House Roundabout which can be both bottlenecks. 

Mind that said if you ran the X46 every 30 minutes to cover the A1 side of the Great Park does the route need to go Newcastle at all or maybe could it go elsewhere ie. across towards the Freeman or down towards the Metro Centre combining with the 6/7 etc. 

The links from the Great Park to anywhere bar Newcastle are dire and it is probably something which should be looked at, especially heading North.
RE: September 2024 Changes
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RE: September 2024 Changes
(25 Jul 2024, 8:55 pm)Jimmi wrote JH Coaches have the 941


Thank you. I appreciate your reply. Where did you find that information?

Good to know the 941 isn't withdrawn this year. Not sure if JH will put a double or single decker on the 941. Presumably a double, interworking with a scholars run. No changes to route and timetable presumably?