(04 May 2014, 11:40 am)AIG20 wrote I think 22072 - 22082 are all being displaced to Stockton, as apparently there may be non DDA buses left when the 23 Gas Buses enter service. I do not know what will happen to 22021 though. That will either go to Slatyford or Stockton or will stay in Sunderland.

Straight swap gas buses for the non DDA's, as there's only 15 to replace, was just thinking about what the other 8 gas buses will replace

Out of the MAN's and the 4 darts they're is:

22021,22072,22073,22074,22075,22076,22077,22078,22079,22080,22081,22082,35155,35156,35157,35158

(04 May 2014, 11:35 am)Michael wrote What else will Sunderland loose as there's 23 gas buses, some of 22072 etc?

Michael, there is currently an allocation of 27 MANs at Sunderland
15 Non-DDA, 12-DDA.

The 15 Non-DDA compliant vehicles will clearly be wiped out with the arrival of the GAS Buses, together with a further 8 out of 12 of the DDA Compliant vehicles (220xx) tallying 23, so at least 4 of the 220xx will have to be retained to make up the current balance of 27.

I do wonder however whether 6 of the 220xx batch will be retained at Sunderland in order to release & replace a couple of 351xx Darts to Hartlepool to replace the two lost reserves 33488 & 33492. Clearly something is needed otherwise why send 33101? in the first place.

As for the rest, they will probably end up at Stockton, so that when the bids go in for Next year, Stagecoach NE can say we have 12 non-DDA vehicles at Newcastle (Slatyford), that need replacing.

Just to add Michael, if you have a look at the Busways (Inside) Fleet Card PDF. The non-DDA compliant vehicles are highlighted in a light yellow background.

(04 May 2014, 12:03 pm)Richard Smiles wrote Michael, there is currently an allocation of 27 MANs at Sunderland
15 Non-DDA, 12-DDA.

The 15 Non-DDA compliant vehicles will clearly be wiped out with the arrival of the GAS Buses, together with a further 8 out of 12 of the DDA Compliant vehicles (220xx) tallying 23, so at least 4 of the 220xx will have to be retained to make up the current balance of 27.

I do wonder however whether 6 of the 220xx batch will be retained at Sunderland in order to release & replace a couple of 351xx Darts to Hartlepool to replace the two lost reserves 33488 & 33492. Clearly something is needed otherwise why send 33101? in the first place.

As for the rest, they will probably end up at Stockton, so that when the bids go in for Next year, Stagecoach NE can say we have 12 non-DDA vehicles at Newcastle (Slatyford), that need replacing.

Just to add Michael, if you have a look at the Busways (Inside) Fleet Card PDF. The non-DDA compliant vehicles are highlighted in a light yellow background.

Thanks, wasn't sure what else would go, was hoping for the darts to go


Ye i was going by that,howeever i was only looking at the Sunderland one for the Non DDA, so all the ones i mentioned was the DDA ones

(04 May 2014, 12:07 pm)Michael wrote Thanks, wasn't sure what else would go, was hoping for the darts to go


Ye i was going by that,howeever i was only looking at the Sunderland one for the Non DDA, so all the ones i mentioned was the DDA ones

The 351xx Darts I think (without looking) are 06 plates (8 Years Old),
33101 is still running & is 16+ Years old, so I think the Darts will be around for a while yet. Though as mentioned I would not be surprised if a couple were transferred to Hartlepool.

(04 May 2014, 12:14 pm)Richard Smiles wrote The 351xx Darts I think (without looking) are 06 plates (8 Years Old),
33101 is still running & is 16+ Years old, so I think the Darts will be around for a while yet.

Thanks, =)

Should be good by end of next year when all the depots should be DDA also least most of the buses in the SC fleet will be Enviro and Gas by then =D

As has been reported elsewhere on the Forum today, specifically Stagecoach (Fleet News) Stagecoach on Teesside's (Stockton Depot's) 25 x Brand New ADL E300s 27157 - 27181, are scheduled to be delivered to Stockton Depot during September & October of this year.

However, I have seen & heard conflicting reports with regards to a Specific issue with these vehicles, so felt the need to investigate further & got a response this afternoon.

With regards to the 86 x E300s on order for the Stagecoach UK Bus Fleet this year, Numbers 27101-27186, but in relation to my specific question regarding the vehicles for Teesside (27157-27181), I have had it confirmed, that these vehicles will be powered by Euro 5 Engines & NOT Euro 6 units, though Stagecoach do have a number of vehicles On Order that are Euro 6 specified.

Therefore, the vehicles heading for Teesside 27157 - 27181, will be of exactly the same specification as those used at South Shields on the E services,( i.e exactly the same as 27723 - 22740). I hope that clarifies the situation.

The limited number of Euro 6 units/vehicles being bought, is due down to cost, as I gather at this present time, the difference in price between a Euro 5 specified vehicle & that of a Euro 6 specified vehicle is an additional cost, of around £20,000.

I can't seem to find the correct category to speak about this even in they bygone area but here it goes...

Is anyone able to tell me what the Stagecoach routes in Darlington were prior to their demise in 2007? I remember the 25a/b and that is all...

(05 May 2014, 6:04 pm)JoshP wrote I can't seem to find the correct category to speak about this even in they bygone area but here it goes...

Is anyone able to tell me what the Stagecoach routes in Darlington were prior to their demise in 2007? I remember the 25a/b and that is all...

Below are the routes listed in the Bygone era although I suspect that the list is non-comprehensive. (BTW - The links to the timetables are down for whatever reason )

17: Darlington - Memorial Hospital
20: Firth Moor - Market - Whinbush
24: Firth Moor - Market - Branksome
25: Red Hall - Market - Branksome
26,26A: Red Hall - Market - Springfield
26: Morton Park - Town Centre - Harrowgate Hill
74: Neasham - Town Centre - Teesside International Airport
X90: Newcastle - Metrocentre - Darlington - Richmond

As I'm not from the Darlington area, I'm not really familiar with any of the routes above. However, I do remember service X90 which I occasionally saw in Newcastle throughout the 90's. It was usually allocated a coach whenever I saw it.

(28 Apr 2014, 4:47 pm)Michael wrote Vosa today:

PB0002404/16 - BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD T/A STAGECOACH NORTHEAST, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Pennywell and Grangetown given service number 10/11 effective from 22-Jun-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.

PB0002404/17 - BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD T/A STAGECOACH NORTHEAST, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Red House Estate and Hastings Hill given service number 16 effective from 22-Jun-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.

PB0002404/19 - BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD T/A STAGECOACH NORTHEAST, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Fawcett Street Sunderland and Pennywell given service number 20 effective from 22-Jun-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.

PB0002404/20 - BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD T/A STAGECOACH NORTHEAST, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Town End farm, Hylton Castle and Doxford Park given service number 13/3 effective from 22-Jun-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.

PB0002404/121 - BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD T/A STAGECOACH NORTHEAST, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Doxford Park and Sunderland City Centre given service number 5/5A effective from 22-Jun-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.

Anyone got any info for these new changes, SC haven't got anything on their site yet and i have emailed SC Sun about them but haven't got anything back

(these were on VOSA on 28.4.14)

(01 May 2014, 8:26 pm)Dan wrote With thanks to Richard for passing on the information - Period 13 movements are as follows:

Busways:

• 19199 (NK57 DWD) - Walkergate to Manchester
  
• 21153 (R253 KRG) - Sold for Scrap
  
• 22172 (T172 MVM) - Reserve to Disposal
  
• 22214 (T214 TND) - In service at Sunderland
  
• 22215 (T215 TND) - In service at Sunderland
  
• 22485 (T485 BNL) - Sold for Scrap
  
• 22488 (T488 BNL) - Sunderland to Stockton
  
• 22489 (T489 BNL) - Sunderland to Stockton
  
• 22727 (T727 OEF) - Reserve to Disposal
  
• 22728 (T728 OEF) - Reserve to Disposal
  
• 22729 (T729 OEF) - Reserve to Disposal
  
• 22730 (T730 OEF) - Reserve to Disposal
  
• 22736 (T736 OEF) - Reserve to Disposal
  
• 33492 (R472 MVN) - Reserve to Disposal
  

Transit:

• 22201 (T201 TND) - Stockton to Disposal
  
• 22208 (T208 TND) - Stockton to Reserve
  
• 22488 (T488 BNL) - Sunderland to Stockton
  
• 22489 (T489 BNL) - Sunderland to Stockton
  
• 22495 (T495 BNL) - Reserve to Disposal
  
• 33491 (R471 MVN) - Reserve to Disposal
  

NEB's fleet lists have been updated accordingly (thankfully it was only a 15-minute job). Should there be any movements which haven't been recorded on the allocation cards which Richard identifies in his fleet lists, I will update the fleet lists tomorrow night.

Just a minor update to the above, 22485 (T485BNL) was broken up for spares, with the remains being sold to Alpha Recovery, Weetslade for scrap.

More roadworks on Green terrace in Sunderland, not sure why they don't just close both sides of the road to do the work!

Temporary closure of Green Terrace, affecting Services 5A, 10, 11, 16 and 20

On Sunday 18 May 2014, Green Terrace will be closed for highways remodelling works.

Last Updated: 07 May 2014 10:54 AM

Sunderland City Council have advised that this closure is scheduled to be in place between approximately 0700 and 1600.

During periods of the closure, buses will be unable to serve their normal Green Terrace bus stop. Customers are advised to use the previous bus stop along the line of route, which is located on Holmeside.

Clearly, whilst we will be endeavouring to operate all services in accordance with their published timetables, as well as continuing to liaise with our colleagues at Sunderland City Council to mitigate any problems, there is nonetheless the potential that some trips may be subject to delays.

Stagecoach would like to apologise for any inconvenience these works by Sunderland City Council may cause, and we remain grateful for customers’ patience and understanding.

Services Affected: 5A, 10, 11, 16, 20

Originally Posted: 07 May 2014 10:54 AM

(07 May 2014, 4:01 pm)AIG20 wrote A "N.I.S" 22468 was seen darting down Newcastle Road this morning from the Fulwell Windmill on what seemed to be Driver Training Duties, as there was a young woman at the wheel, and two other people wearing visibility jackets were on board.

Furthermore, a "N.I.S" 22067 was also seen heading around the Wheatsheaf one way system at 13:15 - either going to Sunderland Depot or to the City Centre to cover an "E" working.

Think it was on 4s this evening.

Couple more changes on VOSA today

PB0002404/57 - BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD T/A STAGECOACH NORTHEAST, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ
Variation Accepted: Operating between South Shields and Sunderland given service number E1/E2 effective from 26-Jul-2014. To amend Timetable.

PB0002404/74 - BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD T/A STAGECOACH NORTHEAST, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ
Variation Accepted: Operating between South Shields and Sunderland given service number E6 effective from 26-Jul-2014. To amend Timetable.

(08 May 2014, 12:02 pm)AIG20 wrote Usually a minute or two is added or taken from certain workings, which is mainly what has occured in the past. So, I doubt that their will be any major change to the Economic services. Unless the timings will be altered to decrease the chance of workings becoming so late that they have to be cancelled.

Probables be early morning, evening and Sunday times which are altered.


Still haven't got info for the changes on the SC Sunderland ones for the 22nd July.. i emailed SC and still haven't replied

Any Sign of 33101 going back to south shields after its loan spell at Hartlepool. I hear we are getting two new buses in July 37143 & 37144 is that right. Regards Robin

Most of the SC Sun services are running in 2's and sometimes in 3's.... within the last 15 mins,theirs being 3 number 12's and 3 number 3/13's.

(09 May 2014, 4:39 pm)AIG20 wrote I've just seen an E6 go past (heading towards Sunderland) which is 10 minutes late, or early!

I know when i posted it was "rush hour" but all the buses seem to of being running together due to the crash on the A19.. which of course effects all the roads near it

So that might of being 1 of the reasons

(09 May 2014, 4:51 pm)AIG20 wrote 33101 might return to South Shields, or be withdrawn, when Sunderland's extra 23 Gas Buses arrive. This is because there is a possibility of Pointer Darts 35155 - 35159 being cascaded to another depot, such as Hartlepool, when they enter service. I really doubt 33101 has long left since it is "the last one standing", even though it is apparently taxed until December.

It's been fully transferred now to Hartlepool. Only way it comes back north is if it gets preserved.

Why not give us one of the 35's from sunderland insteed of 33101 if its not coming back to south shields. Regards Robin

(09 May 2014, 7:02 pm)Half Pint wrote It's been fully transferred now to Hartlepool. Only way it comes back north is if it gets preserved.

Wonder if anyone will buy it :p

(10 May 2014, 10:19 am)Michael wrote Wonder if anyone will buy it :p

The company should preserve it as the first low floor bus!

Could somebody please tell me where in Newcastle the 100 terminates? And the amount to the Metrocentre? I'm just really useless when it comes to Stagecoach.

(11 May 2014, 6:34 pm)Marcus wrote Could somebody please tell me where in Newcastle the 100 terminates? And the amount to the Metrocentre? I'm just really useless when it comes to Stagecoach.

£2.30 single/£3.80 return.
£0.60 child single with POP card/£0.85 child single.
It terminates on Blackett Street, the stops at Pilgrim Street and Central Station.

(11 May 2014, 6:37 pm)Tom wrote £2.30 single/£3.80 return.
£0.60 child single with POP card/£0.85 child single.
It terminates on Blackett Street, the stops at Pilgrim Street and Central Station.

Cheers, Tom . I'm planning on having a day where a fit in a few Stagecoach journeys as opposed to the regular all-GNE days out I have, so I'm just working out a few times and prices.

(10 May 2014, 10:57 am)AIG20 wrote ...and I wonder how much it will cost?

Stagecoach want over £1000 for the bus

(12 May 2014, 6:22 am)mrnut85 wrote Stagecoach want over £1000 for the bus

Thats not a bad price

(12 May 2014, 6:41 am)Michael wrote Thats not a bad price

To preserve the first low floor bus in it's company, I'd say that's a great price. Perhaps, if it does make it to preservation, they can paint it into the original Busways livery and it may attend NEB&CSs in the future.

(12 May 2014, 6:44 am)Marcus wrote To preserve the first low floor bus in it's company, I'd say that's a great price. Perhaps, if it does make it to preservation, they can paint it into the original Busways livery and it may attend NEB&CSs in the future.

I hope someone buys it, would be be good see it in original livery

(12 May 2014, 6:41 am)Michael wrote Thats not a bad price

Yes, that's a very good price. Are you sure that's right?! Sure we could raise that?

(12 May 2014, 6:46 am)Michael wrote I hope someone buys it, would be be good see it in original livery

Like this;

https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/27204054@N...D_w_IS_all

Can't remember the last time I saw it.