Go North East: 2014/15 Financial Year Order Predictions
Go North East: 2014/15 Financial Year Order Predictions
(07 Jun 2014, 11:27 am)cbma06 Whats the chances IF GNE buying new buses for X9/X10 in the next order of buses and the X9/X10 buses be used on service X21?, to get rid of the Prontos (any maybe their get rid of the Pronto livery and have the X21 in the same livery as the X9/X10[/i].
(07 Jun 2014, 11:27 am)cbma06 Whats the chances IF GNE buying new buses for X9/X10 in the next order of buses and the X9/X10 buses be used on service X21?, to get rid of the Prontos (any maybe their get rid of the Pronto livery and have the X21 in the same livery as the X9/X10[/i].
But the Olympians did last on the TTX and often bailed out the B7's when they broke down. The only thing that limited them was the fuel capacity. Unless GNE forked out for Astromegas therefore making the service unviable thus reducing flexibility options, the only two options are to either reduce capacity and growth by purchasing single deck coaches or purchase eco friendly double deckers that breakdown and cause passengers to go elsewhere such as by using the train.
(07 Jun 2014, 11:58 am)DaveyBowyer But the Olympians did last on the TTX and often bailed out the B7's when they broke down. The only thing that limited them was the fuel capacity. Unless GNE forked out for Astromegas therefore making the service unviable thus reducing flexibility options, the only two options are to either reduce capacity and growth by purchasing single deck coaches or purchase eco friendly double deckers that breakdown and cause passengers to go elsewhere such as by using the train.
(07 Jun 2014, 11:58 am)DaveyBowyer But the Olympians did last on the TTX and often bailed out the B7's when they broke down. The only thing that limited them was the fuel capacity. Unless GNE forked out for Astromegas therefore making the service unviable thus reducing flexibility options, the only two options are to either reduce capacity and growth by purchasing single deck coaches or purchase eco friendly double deckers that breakdown and cause passengers to go elsewhere such as by using the train.
Just a thought
X9 - Newcastle – Gateshead – Heworth – Peterlee – Billingham – Stockton Middlesbrough - Every 30 Minutes using B9TL's Operated by Go North East
X10/X93 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Heworth - Middlesbrough - Whitby - Robin Hoods Bay - Scarborough - Every 1 Hour/Every 2 Hours per Operator using Coaches (Limited Stopping Service, Jointly Operated with Arriva) - 10 Minutes Layover in Middlesbrough before changing into X10/X93 - 5 Minutes Layover at Each End of the Route using 2 Drivers, 1 Each Way to meet European Driving Requirments.
X92 - Middlesbrough - Whitby - Every 30 Minutes using B7TL's Operated by Arriva
The Cost of the Coaches would be evenly split between both Operators, and would be Operated in same way as National Express/Stagecoach Megabus Services.
(07 Jun 2014, 1:53 pm)NEBCD Malarkey Just a thought
X9 - Newcastle – Gateshead – Heworth – Peterlee – Billingham – Stockton Middlesbrough - Every 30 Minutes using B9TL's Operated by Go North East
X10/X93 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Heworth - Middlesbrough - Whitby - Robin Hoods Bay - Scarborough - Every 1 Hour/Every 2 Hours per Operator using Coaches (Limited Stopping Service, Jointly Operated with Arriva) - 10 Minutes Layover in Middlesbrough before changing into X10/X93 - 5 Minutes Layover at Each End of the Route using 2 Drivers, 1 Each Way to meet European Driving Requirments.
X92 - Middlesbrough - Whitby - Every 30 Minutes using B7TL's Operated by Arriva
The Cost of the Coaches would be evenly split between both Operators, and would be Operated in same way as National Express/Stagecoach Megabus Services.
(07 Jun 2014, 1:53 pm)NEBCD Malarkey Just a thought
X9 - Newcastle – Gateshead – Heworth – Peterlee – Billingham – Stockton Middlesbrough - Every 30 Minutes using B9TL's Operated by Go North East
X10/X93 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Heworth - Middlesbrough - Whitby - Robin Hoods Bay - Scarborough - Every 1 Hour/Every 2 Hours per Operator using Coaches (Limited Stopping Service, Jointly Operated with Arriva) - 10 Minutes Layover in Middlesbrough before changing into X10/X93 - 5 Minutes Layover at Each End of the Route using 2 Drivers, 1 Each Way to meet European Driving Requirments.
X92 - Middlesbrough - Whitby - Every 30 Minutes using B7TL's Operated by Arriva
The Cost of the Coaches would be evenly split between both Operators, and would be Operated in same way as National Express/Stagecoach Megabus Services.
(07 Jun 2014, 1:53 pm)NEBCD Malarkey Just a thought
X9 - Newcastle – Gateshead – Heworth – Peterlee – Billingham – Stockton Middlesbrough - Every 30 Minutes using B9TL's Operated by Go North East
X10/X93 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Heworth - Middlesbrough - Whitby - Robin Hoods Bay - Scarborough - Every 1 Hour/Every 2 Hours per Operator using Coaches (Limited Stopping Service, Jointly Operated with Arriva) - 10 Minutes Layover in Middlesbrough before changing into X10/X93 - 5 Minutes Layover at Each End of the Route using 2 Drivers, 1 Each Way to meet European Driving Requirments.
X92 - Middlesbrough - Whitby - Every 30 Minutes using B7TL's Operated by Arriva
The Cost of the Coaches would be evenly split between both Operators, and would be Operated in same way as National Express/Stagecoach Megabus Services.
(07 Jun 2014, 1:53 pm)NEBCD Malarkey Just a thought
X9 - Newcastle – Gateshead – Heworth – Peterlee – Billingham – Stockton Middlesbrough - Every 30 Minutes using B9TL's Operated by Go North East
X10/X93 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Heworth - Middlesbrough - Whitby - Robin Hoods Bay - Scarborough - Every 1 Hour/Every 2 Hours per Operator using Coaches (Limited Stopping Service, Jointly Operated with Arriva) - 10 Minutes Layover in Middlesbrough before changing into X10/X93 - 5 Minutes Layover at Each End of the Route using 2 Drivers, 1 Each Way to meet European Driving Requirments.
X92 - Middlesbrough - Whitby - Every 30 Minutes using B7TL's Operated by Arriva
The Cost of the Coaches would be evenly split between both Operators, and would be Operated in same way as National Express/Stagecoach Megabus Services.
Just my two-penneth with the vehicles and spec.
When someone buys a car, they have a choice of vehicles, with different specifications and different manufacturers.
They choose the one, which will hopefully be suitable and meet the requirements.
Engine, the size of the engine, performance etc will be taken in to account.
How many drivers, doing heavy mileage on the Motorway, will buy an underpowered car? How many of those underpowered cars would last, being driven into the ground day in, day out?
Obviously the passenger transport market is a lot smaller.
Takeovers and bankruptcies have seen to that.
Either way, (speaking the obvious here) bus operators need to find a vehicle which suits the demands of the route.
It is highly unlikely we would see a lightweight citybus allocated onto the 78 or 28. Just as it is unlikely I would buy a 1l Micra to use for business.
So why is it, we see an underpowered urban bus, allocated to the x9/10?
If those vehicles last the period specified by Dan, I will eat hay with a donkey.
I have already said elsewhere, that there is scope to grow the service - either by GNE or another operator.
Cascaded Stagecoach coaches from Scotland perhaps? I am sure residents of Billingham, Hartlepool, Stockton and Middlesbrough would appreciate a through ticket from their estates. A lot cheaper than buying tickets for two operators - with the added bonus of the vehicle turning up, offering the promised perks too.
(07 Jun 2014, 1:58 pm)aureolin I'd put my money on the competition commission having something to say about that. It's anti competitive, and the kind of partnership you wouldn't expect.
(07 Jun 2014, 1:58 pm)aureolin I'd put my money on the competition commission having something to say about that. It's anti competitive, and the kind of partnership you wouldn't expect.
BREAKING NEWS: Just been browsing and I've come across that Volvo are to introduce the D8K engine into double deckers for Euro 6 BUT, it will the tri axial only. I don't know about the bodywork but I do know that First Glasgow operate tri axial E500's that are built for the Chinese markets. Now if ADL or Wrightbus body the tri axial B8TL, it would be the perfect replacement for the B9TL on the TTX offering the capacity and flexibility of a bus but the characteristics of a coach.
(07 Jun 2014, 9:38 pm)DaveyBowyer BREAKING NEWS: Just been browsing and I've come across that Volvo are to introduce the D8K engine into double deckers for Euro 6 BUT, it will the tri axial only. I don't know about the bodywork but I do know that First Glasgow operate tri axial E500's that are built for the Chinese markets. Now if ADL or Wrightbus body the tri axial B8TL, it would be the perfect replacement for the B9TL on the TTX offering the capacity and flexibility of a bus but the characteristics of a coach.
(07 Jun 2014, 9:38 pm)DaveyBowyer BREAKING NEWS: Just been browsing and I've come across that Volvo are to introduce the D8K engine into double deckers for Euro 6 BUT, it will the tri axial only. I don't know about the bodywork but I do know that First Glasgow operate tri axial E500's that are built for the Chinese markets. Now if ADL or Wrightbus body the tri axial B8TL, it would be the perfect replacement for the B9TL on the TTX offering the capacity and flexibility of a bus but the characteristics of a coach.
(08 Jun 2014, 9:52 am)DaveyBowyer There's no source but if you type in B8TL on google, it will show up that the tri axial replacement for the B9TL will be the B8TL . Tri axis would be far better for the TTX anyways.
(08 Jun 2014, 9:52 am)DaveyBowyer There's no source but if you type in B8TL on google, it will show up that the tri axial replacement for the B9TL will be the B8TL . Tri axis would be far better for the TTX anyways.
I know that there's nothing to light yet but I certainly don't think the Chinese will compromise on power for the sake of economy. They'll want big heavy and powerful double deckers built. Volvo even built a B10TL for the Chinese market when the B7TL was launched over here.
(08 Jun 2014, 10:04 am)DaveyBowyer I know that there's nothing to light yet but I certainly don't think the Chinese will compromise on power for the sake of economy. They'll want big heavy and powerful double deckers built. Volvo even built a B10TL for the Chinese market when the B7TL was launched over here.
(08 Jun 2014, 10:04 am)DaveyBowyer I know that there's nothing to light yet but I certainly don't think the Chinese will compromise on power for the sake of economy. They'll want big heavy and powerful double deckers built. Volvo even built a B10TL for the Chinese market when the B7TL was launched over here.
(08 Jun 2014, 10:14 am)BJ10VUS Yes, but look at the pollution levels in Beijing compared to somewhere like Newcastle or Middlesbrough. The fact of the matter is, with the new EU 'Euro 6' regulations, whatever new buses GNE buy for the TTX, they'll be 'green' whether you like it or not.
Also, while tri-axle vehicles would help with capacity, they'll be horrendous on fuel. Glasgow's Enviro 500s, for example, just drink diesel and it won't be good for a route that covers so many miles.
(08 Jun 2014, 10:14 am)BJ10VUS Yes, but look at the pollution levels in Beijing compared to somewhere like Newcastle or Middlesbrough. The fact of the matter is, with the new EU 'Euro 6' regulations, whatever new buses GNE buy for the TTX, they'll be 'green' whether you like it or not.
Also, while tri-axle vehicles would help with capacity, they'll be horrendous on fuel. Glasgow's Enviro 500s, for example, just drink diesel and it won't be good for a route that covers so many miles.
(08 Jun 2014, 10:14 am)BJ10VUS Yes, but look at the pollution levels in Beijing compared to somewhere like Newcastle or Middlesbrough. The fact of the matter is, with the new EU 'Euro 6' regulations, whatever new buses GNE buy for the TTX, they'll be 'green' whether you like it or not.
Also, while tri-axle vehicles would help with capacity, they'll be horrendous on fuel. Glasgow's Enviro 500s, for example, just drink diesel and it won't be good for a route that covers so many miles.
(08 Jun 2014, 10:14 am)BJ10VUS Yes, but look at the pollution levels in Beijing compared to somewhere like Newcastle or Middlesbrough. The fact of the matter is, with the new EU 'Euro 6' regulations, whatever new buses GNE buy for the TTX, they'll be 'green' whether you like it or not.
Also, while tri-axle vehicles would help with capacity, they'll be horrendous on fuel. Glasgow's Enviro 500s, for example, just drink diesel and it won't be good for a route that covers so many miles.
My predictions :
LASER 35. 18 Volvo B5 allowing 11 Mercedes Citaro to go on Highywayman, plus a spare. 6 Scania go red to replace Volvo B10.
PRINCE BISHOP 20. 12 Volvo B5 allowing 12 Scania to go red for Volvo B10 replacement.
This would allow 5201~04, 5211~17(11 buses) to replace 5151~59,5165,5166 at Percy Main.
4968-72 would replace 5160-64 at Saltmeadows on service 5.
CRUSADER 27
No investment in 2014, with Prince Bishop receiving this instead.
LIME 8/78
15(13+2) Mercedes Citaro, allowing 4850-55 to be withdrawn.
TOONLINK 11,31,32,47
15 Long Streetlites (13+2) allowing 4841/5144-50 to be withdrawn, and 4978-82 to replace 5167-71.
Revised branding name and colours, possibly going into Venture colours.
FAB57
5167-71 withdrawn and replaced by Volvo B7 4978-82.
Toonlink colours and name retained.
All articulated buses kept in service, until 2015, allowing further evaluation of euro 6 types.
Withdrawn 4841-47,4850-55, 4896-4911, 5144-71. Total 56.
New B5 6118-6151(33), Streetlite 5391-5405 (15), Mercedes Citaro 5406-21 (15) total 63.
Difference of 7 allows 4912-25 to be kept for float vehicles allowing 5234-5319 to be refurbished.
Predictions for 2015.
Quaylink Versa 8311-19 moved to Percy Main, and rebranded as Centurion keeping pale yellow.
(17 Jun 2014, 12:52 pm)minibus1474 My predictions :
LASER 35. 18 Volvo B5 allowing 11 Mercedes Citaro to go on Highywayman, plus a spare. 6 Scania go red to replace Volvo B10.
PRINCE BISHOP 20. 12 Volvo B5 allowing 12 Scania to go red for Volvo B10 replacement.
This would allow 5201~04, 5211~17(11 buses) to replace 5151~59,5165,5166 at Percy Main.
4968-72 would replace 5160-64 at Saltmeadows on service 5.
CRUSADER 27
No investment in 2014, with Prince Bishop receiving this instead.
LIME 8/78
15(13+2) Mercedes Citaro, allowing 4850-55 to be withdrawn.
TOONLINK 11,31,32,47
15 Long Streetlites (13+2) allowing 4841/5144-50 to be withdrawn, and 4978-82 to replace 5167-71.
Revised branding name and colours, possibly going into Venture colours.
FAB57
5167-71 withdrawn and replaced by Volvo B7 4978-82.
Toonlink colours and name retained.
All articulated buses kept in service, until 2015, allowing further evaluation of euro 6 types.
Predictions for 2015.
Quaylink Versa 8311-19 moved to Percy Main, and rebranded as Centurion keeping pale yellow.
(17 Jun 2014, 12:52 pm)minibus1474 My predictions :
LASER 35. 18 Volvo B5 allowing 11 Mercedes Citaro to go on Highywayman, plus a spare. 6 Scania go red to replace Volvo B10.
PRINCE BISHOP 20. 12 Volvo B5 allowing 12 Scania to go red for Volvo B10 replacement.
This would allow 5201~04, 5211~17(11 buses) to replace 5151~59,5165,5166 at Percy Main.
4968-72 would replace 5160-64 at Saltmeadows on service 5.
CRUSADER 27
No investment in 2014, with Prince Bishop receiving this instead.
LIME 8/78
15(13+2) Mercedes Citaro, allowing 4850-55 to be withdrawn.
TOONLINK 11,31,32,47
15 Long Streetlites (13+2) allowing 4841/5144-50 to be withdrawn, and 4978-82 to replace 5167-71.
Revised branding name and colours, possibly going into Venture colours.
FAB57
5167-71 withdrawn and replaced by Volvo B7 4978-82.
Toonlink colours and name retained.
All articulated buses kept in service, until 2015, allowing further evaluation of euro 6 types.
Predictions for 2015.
Quaylink Versa 8311-19 moved to Percy Main, and rebranded as Centurion keeping pale yellow.
(17 Jun 2014, 12:52 pm)minibus1474 Predictions for 2015.
Quaylink Versa 8311-19 moved to Percy Main, and rebranded as Centurion keeping pale yellow.
(17 Jun 2014, 1:09 pm)Michael The X66 was confirmed to be getting new buses this year along with the Lime, the current citaro bendies should be withdrawn, as for the ones on the X40.. not sure.
(17 Jun 2014, 12:52 pm)minibus1474 Predictions for 2015.
Quaylink Versa 8311-19 moved to Percy Main, and rebranded as Centurion keeping pale yellow.
(17 Jun 2014, 1:09 pm)Michael The X66 was confirmed to be getting new buses this year along with the Lime, the current citaro bendies should be withdrawn, as for the ones on the X40.. not sure.