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(29 May 2013, 3:55 pm)CatsFast101 wrote Free wifi on 3833?!
On another note, does any know what's on the 61 today? (I'm not feeling too well so haven't been out the house)

Plug sockets, luxury seating and free WiFi. Typical treatment on a "Yellow Bus" branded Olympian, didn't you know? Wink

To my memory (I didn't photo them all), 2x Northern Cadets, 1x Drifter Cadet, and I didn't account for anything else because I didn't stay around too long.
Drifter Cadet 8271 on 38s today. Not sure what the other vehicle working the 61 was - again, didn't stick around too long.
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(29 May 2013, 4:42 pm)BJ10VUS wrote
(29 May 2013, 10:41 am)CatsFast101 wrote Interesting going on's RE 8258 and 61, I do hope the Versa's from simplicity are going to 61, Cadets to 39 or 26/36/36A. I hope to see Deckers on X3/X36 personally.

On another matter do the 17/307 interwork at Benton Asda? As I thought they did at one time and I'm sure I heard it on here a few weeks back, but it doesn't really make sense. With the 17 now branded do they still interwork, to me it seems strange to judging on the timetable.

It's school half term, so I don't think they will interwork this week. They still do usually, I think?

They interwork at all times, not just on school days.
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Just had a thought regarding the 51reg Presidents that are at Chester le Street and due to transfer to Depford as mentioned on another page.

So here is my thought

Would it be possible that these deckers will be used to temporarily replace Wright Solars on the 56/20 until the new deckers arrive later in the year. I don't think they'll be used on the X3/X36 as I don't see the need for them on the X3, the Renowns cope fine with the service.

I can't think of anything else other than a straight swap with the Vykings.
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That's a good idea, Didn't think of that, the Vyking's are shit, They won't cope on the 20/56 for most of the day, Hopefully if so the scania's will be used on other deptford services.
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RE: Go North East
(29 May 2013, 5:42 pm)Adam Malarkey wrote Just had a thought regarding the 51reg Presidents that are at Chester le Street and due to transfer to Depford as mentioned on another page.

So here is my thought

Would it be possible that these deckers will be used to temporarily replace Wright Solars on the 56/20 until the new deckers arrive later in the year. I don't think they'll be used on the X3/X36 as I don't see the need for them on the X3, the Renowns cope fine with the service.

I can't think of anything else other than a straight swap with the Vykings.

It was mentioned by me on here and on a Facebook group actually. :p

Passenger numbers on the X3 has increased massively since the announcement of the service being partially cut, in my opinion. From personal observation alone, I firmly believe that on a fair amount of journeys, Renowns can no longer cope with the demand set by the X3's passengers. Of course, as with all services, lower passenger numbers are set at specific times of day, and this is when the Renowns are more suitable once more.
A minimum of one Vyking has been allocated to the X3 for the past week or so now, which to me, certainly suggests that Deptford are considering other options for the X3 - besides Renowns. The X3 has actually had quite a few allocations as of late repeatedly occurring on the same board and then moving onto a different board for a few days which makes you wonder what Deptford have planned for the service(s) - if anything. A few other services have also had the same treatment, and I don't believe that this is just Deptford up to their usual allocation antics.

Having ridden the X3 late afternoon from Heworth to Sunderland earlier today on a Vyking allocation where the lower saloon was full and the upper saloon was about half full too, I can say that a double decker would be justifiable on this service now, and if they're going spare at Chester-le-Street, I see no reason why this couldn't happen.

Conversely, we must consider that the X3's competitor (the 56), undoubtedly has occasions where passenger numbers are excessive and double deckers would also be justifiable. I understand that - so speculation suggests - double decker vehicles are to be purchased for the service, but how long has the service waited for those? If I recall correctly, Deptford did introduce briefly a few months ago an allocation of one or two Presidents/Vykings on the boards that required higher capacity vehicles at some point during the day, but I don't believe this happens anymore.
The amount of times I've seen Solars on the 56 at full capacity (seating and standees) is unreal, and that certainly hasn't happened on the X3 yet - and I'm fairly certain it won't happen any time in the future either... So with that in mind, I could be totally wrong thinking that these Presidents are indeed to help out with the X3 and its variants that the service will be interworking with.
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(29 May 2013, 6:14 pm)Michael wrote That's a good idea, Didn't think of that, the Vyking's are shit, They won't cope on the 20/56 for most of the day, Hopefully if so the scania's will be used on other deptford services.

I was thinking the scanias go to Chester/Stanley for the 8/78, freeing up more renowns for the 34/34A for example, which would lead to the withdrawal of the DAF's.

It would seem very logical.
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Yeh and a few more SPD, The 28/28A needs better buses, its time for the current DAF's on thier and the 34/34A to go.

Hopefully we hear news soon about the order for the 20/56 or can anyone confirm on here, if its true?

GNE posted this earlier about the 23/73 on thier FB page.

Nexus Services 37N and 73N

With effect from 2 June 2013 a full range of Go North East tickets will be available to buy and use on Nexus service 37N, including key and M-Tickets.

From the same date some journeys on Nexus service 73N will be operated by another bus company. However, all Go North East tickets will be available to use on these journeys.
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(29 May 2013, 2:49 pm)Adam Malarkey wrote And also I've picked up the updated Washington Street Shuttle W5/W6 Timetable in the new format and it has a Street Shuttle MPD on the front, so it's looks like the W5/W6 will be keeping the MPD's judging by the front of the Timetable. Haven't seen the Updated M2/M3 Timetables, probs won't be updated until the Versas are on the Service.

The revised M2/M3 leaflet is already available online - with an MPD on the front:
http://www.simplygo.com/download/publication/51757.68
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Go North East - Part 10
To be perfectly honest there seems to be a few vehicles that could do with replacing. The SPD's are terrible, DAF's on Lambton Worm & Waggonway, Certain MPD's.
The 'East Durham' MPD's at Peterlee aren't in good nic! I was on the 202 just the other day and it had terrible noises on the brakes, aswell as rattling, and really loud stretching noises you can bearly hear yourself think! The bus actually broke down temporaily at Dawdon and the driver tried a couple of times before he got it back on the road. And with the current interworking with 202/265/259/260 I dread to think if the bus made it Durham okay! So I'd like to hope Versas could be planned soon for the East Durham services.

RE: 56/20 Solars
It was strongly hinted by Rob earlier in the thread that 20 & 56 would both be getting deckers some time in the not so distance future. And I think the general consensus on here is that it can't come soon enough with a vast amount of journeys on both services running near or to capacity. So that will eventually lead to displacing 28 Solars.
I would like to see
13 go to Lime routes, the Renowns can then go to Doxford Clipper.
11 go to Lambton Worm/ Waggonway/71.
The rest can go Northern.
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(29 May 2013, 8:01 pm)CatsFast101 wrote To be perfectly honest there seems to be a few vehicles that could do with replacing. The SPD's are terrible, DAF's on Lambton Worm & Waggonway, Certain MPD's.
The 'East Durham' MPD's at Peterlee aren't in good nic! I was on the 202 just the other day and it had terrible noises on the brakes, aswell as rattling, and really loud stretching noises you can bearly hear yourself think! The bus actually broke down temporaily at Dawdon and the driver tried a couple of times before he got it back on the road. And with the current interworking with 202/265/259/260 I dread to think if the bus made it Durham okay! So I'd like to hope Versas could be planned soon for the East Durham services.

RE: 56/20 Solars
It was strongly hinted by Rob earlier in the thread that 20 & 56 would both be getting deckers some time in the not so distance future. And I think the general consensus on here is that it can't come soon enough with a vast amount of journeys on both services running near or to capacity. So that will eventually lead to displacing 28 Solars.
I would like to see
13 go to Lime routes, the Renowns can then go to Doxford Clipper.
11 go to Lambton Worm/ Waggonway/71.
The rest can go Northern.

Plus you have the Metrolink Solars and WSS MPD's on top of that, the 52/53/54reg examples a good little runners, the East Durham has a few 52/53reg examples but is mainly made up of 2000/01 examples hence why they are so poor.

I can see once all the changes happen, some MPD's replacing Older MPD's on the East Durham Network and some SPD's also, and not forgetting there is a few on the Venture that are 2000/01 batch I believe that could be replaced.

(29 May 2013, 7:56 pm)stagecoachbusdepot wrote
(29 May 2013, 2:49 pm)Adam Malarkey wrote And also I've picked up the updated Washington Street Shuttle W5/W6 Timetable in the new format and it has a Street Shuttle MPD on the front, so it's looks like the W5/W6 will be keeping the MPD's judging by the front of the Timetable. Haven't seen the Updated M2/M3 Timetables, probs won't be updated until the Versas are on the Service.

The revised M2/M3 leaflet is already available online - with an MPD on the front:
http://www.simplygo.com/download/publication/51757.68

Cheers looks like I could be wrong about the W5/W6 keeping MPD's then, i'll lookout for the Timetable on the M2/M3 tomorrow as i'm collecting them all
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Re the Scanias on the M1, I have noticed recently that vinyls arent being replaced on the vehicles.
One in particular has had a side panel replaced, but the vinyl hasnt been put back on, hence you can see the top half of the initial Metrolink logo.
There are one or two others missing a few smaller logos.

Without reading too much into it - if those vehicles were being kept on the route, then surely these logos would be replaced...
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(29 May 2013, 9:01 pm)Andreos1 wrote Re the Scanias on the M1, I have noticed recently that vinyls arent being replaced on the vehicles.
One in particular has had a side panel replaced, but the vinyl hasnt been put back on, hence you can see the top half of the initial Metrolink logo.
There are one or two others missing a few smaller logos.

Without reading too much into it - if those vehicles were being kept on the route, then surely these logos would be replaced...

Same with one of the Fab Fifty Six vehicles. One is practically bare on one side of it. Not sure on the number, but someone will know no doubt Smile
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(29 May 2013, 9:03 pm)aureolin wrote
(29 May 2013, 9:01 pm)Andreos1 wrote Re the Scanias on the M1, I have noticed recently that vinyls arent being replaced on the vehicles.
One in particular has had a side panel replaced, but the vinyl hasnt been put back on, hence you can see the top half of the initial Metrolink logo.
There are one or two others missing a few smaller logos.

Without reading too much into it - if those vehicles were being kept on the route, then surely these logos would be replaced...

Same with one of the Fab Fifty Six vehicles. One is practically bare on one side of it. Not sure on the number, but someone will know no doubt Smile

The M1 is confirmed to be getting new Mercedes Citaros later this year, maybe in the next couple of months or so Smile

If my memory serves me correctly, the half de-branded Fab Fifty Six is 5203. I'm not 100% sure though Undecided
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(29 May 2013, 9:10 pm)Adam wrote
(29 May 2013, 9:03 pm)aureolin wrote
(29 May 2013, 9:01 pm)Andreos1 wrote Re the Scanias on the M1, I have noticed recently that vinyls arent being replaced on the vehicles.
One in particular has had a side panel replaced, but the vinyl hasnt been put back on, hence you can see the top half of the initial Metrolink logo.
There are one or two others missing a few smaller logos.

Without reading too much into it - if those vehicles were being kept on the route, then surely these logos would be replaced...

Same with one of the Fab Fifty Six vehicles. One is practically bare on one side of it. Not sure on the number, but someone will know no doubt Smile

The M1 is confirmed to be getting new Mercedes Citaros later this year, maybe in the next couple of months or so Smile

If my memory serves me correctly, the half de-branded Fab Fifty Six is 5203. I'm not 100% sure though Undecided

It is 5203, but was branded again last week. See photo here - she's been following me lately and I have three photos of her from the past few days yet to be uploaded to Flickr.

Only took Deptford five months to brand her - and it's still a shoddy job. The fleet number on the rear is in black numbering, and half are white and the half are white on the front Wink
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(29 May 2013, 9:10 pm)Adam wrote
(29 May 2013, 9:03 pm)aureolin wrote
(29 May 2013, 9:01 pm)Andreos1 wrote Re the Scanias on the M1, I have noticed recently that vinyls arent being replaced on the vehicles.
One in particular has had a side panel replaced, but the vinyl hasnt been put back on, hence you can see the top half of the initial Metrolink logo.
There are one or two others missing a few smaller logos.

Without reading too much into it - if those vehicles were being kept on the route, then surely these logos would be replaced...

Same with one of the Fab Fifty Six vehicles. One is practically bare on one side of it. Not sure on the number, but someone will know no doubt Smile

The M1 is confirmed to be getting new Mercedes Citaros later this year, maybe in the next couple of months or so Smile

If my memory serves me correctly, the half de-branded Fab Fifty Six is 5203. I'm not 100% sure though Undecided

It would cost money to replace the logos, and obviously GNE are unwilling as both examples listed above have been like that for a few months now. and also the buses used currently are due to be replaced soon. So it would be pointless for to rebrand the buses slighty.
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(29 May 2013, 9:19 pm)Adam Malarkey wrote
(29 May 2013, 9:10 pm)Adam wrote
(29 May 2013, 9:03 pm)aureolin wrote
(29 May 2013, 9:01 pm)Andreos1 wrote Re the Scanias on the M1, I have noticed recently that vinyls arent being replaced on the vehicles.
One in particular has had a side panel replaced, but the vinyl hasnt been put back on, hence you can see the top half of the initial Metrolink logo.
There are one or two others missing a few smaller logos.

Without reading too much into it - if those vehicles were being kept on the route, then surely these logos would be replaced...

Same with one of the Fab Fifty Six vehicles. One is practically bare on one side of it. Not sure on the number, but someone will know no doubt Smile

The M1 is confirmed to be getting new Mercedes Citaros later this year, maybe in the next couple of months or so Smile

If my memory serves me correctly, the half de-branded Fab Fifty Six is 5203. I'm not 100% sure though Undecided

It would cost money to replace the logos, and obviously GNE are unwilling as both examples listed above have been like that for a few months now. and also the buses used currently are due to be replaced soon. So it would be pointless for to rebrand the buses slighty.

If that were so, the "Fab Fifty Six" would be retaining their Scanias and they wouldn't be getting replaced.
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TTX B9 iss off-road today again, and B7 spare 3963 is also off-road, having maintenance performed to her. Three "Yellow Bus" branded Olympians are also in Sunderland Road today, but one is not Gateshead-based (3812) and is being road-tested today. As such, one "Yellow Bus" Olympian should be expected on the X9/X10 again.

Red Arrows B9 also at Sunderland Road today, being road tested.

Angel B5LH having maintenance performed to her at Sunderland Road also.

Whey Aye Five 0 at Sunderland Road. She's blinded up as 'Engineers on Road Test', so must be there for maintenance.

Two Highwaymans in there, one Fab57, and several Northerns (varying in vehicle type) belonging primarily to Gateshead.

One Great Park was in there, and one was also at Gateshead Interchange about half an hour before I walked down, so something interesting could be on the X40.
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RE: Go North East
I wonder if all drifter cadets will go the same way, worth mentioning that the 36/36A/26/26A all picture Northern branded cadets so could they go to them services. A straight swap for the simplicity Versa's? With the 39 getting spare WSS MPD's?
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The new 26/26A, 36/36A, 99 and X3/X36 timetables all show B10BLEs not Cadets. It's likely now that a handful of the Drifter Versas will be staying in Drifter livery for the 61.
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(30 May 2013, 2:53 pm)Kuyoyo wrote The new 26/26A, 36/36A, 99 and X3/X36 timetables all show B10BLEs not Cadets. It's likely now that a handful of the Drifter Versas will be staying in Drifter livery for the 61.

Whoops my bad, I thought I saw a cadet, never mind! The current drifter Versa will need slight rebranding though as they have references to the 60.


(30 May 2013, 3:21 pm)GMitchelhill wrote It could be possible that only the 60 might be branded as Drifter with the 61 going as a Northern route.

EDIT: Unlikely as the new timetable is drifter branded. For the 61 & 60.
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It was the late Peter Huntley ex MD for GNE started the brands for the buses and open line plus others, Since Peter stepped down from MD and the new MD came in with a different approach of running the company, The open line has gone and wont be long until the brands will disappear, and only the very profitable branded routes would possible stay.

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RE: Go North East
I think in a way he's got a point. I think you either need to brand the vast majority of routes or none at all otherwise it becomes a bit of a mess, the Generic northern livery doesn't really stand out. I think brand a lot of routes most services like things like the 38/36/64/95/96 should be branded these current aren't. Or go to a thing where only the very core services are branded, such as 21/56/20/35/27/58/60/X1, but incorporating a company livery within that, with the rest having a good eye-catching generic livery.
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A Northern B10BLE broke down at Heworth today on the X3. Its replacement was "Drifter" Cadet 8259. 8259 was showing signs of being unwell after a run from Newcastle to Sunderland, and was replaced again.

Green MPD 506 was sent to Park Lane by an engineer after 30 minutes of waiting (and no doubt the driver actually radioed in beforehand also), but the driver went back to Deptford depot in the MPD to collect a "Wear Tees Xpress" B10BLE to work the return trip Newcastle to Sunderland.

Commendable that the driver caught up time on both occasions. Certainly a lot of fun and games on the X3's final days as it operates at present!