Go North East: 2014/15 Financial Year Order Predictions
Go North East: 2014/15 Financial Year Order Predictions
(30 Jul 2014, 9:27 pm)DaveyBowyer Dan, do you think Volvo / Wrightbus will offer an 8 litre option?I don't, in all honesty. At least not this year.
(30 Jul 2014, 9:27 pm)DaveyBowyer Dan, do you think Volvo / Wrightbus will offer an 8 litre option?I don't, in all honesty. At least not this year.
(30 Jul 2014, 9:30 pm)Dan I don't, in all honesty. At least not this year.
Call me cynical, but I've made my views clear on what I think Volvo's intentions are, with regards to 5 litre buses and lovely, luxurious (expensive) coaches being the other alternative...
(30 Jul 2014, 9:30 pm)Dan I don't, in all honesty. At least not this year.
Call me cynical, but I've made my views clear on what I think Volvo's intentions are, with regards to 5 litre buses and lovely, luxurious (expensive) coaches being the other alternative...
(30 Jul 2014, 9:19 pm)Racer_Experience and as soon as you know i know and ill let the others know and i feel like were working as a team on this one
(30 Jul 2014, 9:19 pm)Racer_Experience and as soon as you know i know and ill let the others know and i feel like were working as a team on this one
(30 Jul 2014, 9:35 pm)DaveyBowyer And so would Alpha make good money towing a B5 back all the way from Middlesborough to Riverside.I aspire that, by the time replacement vehicles NEED to be sourced for the TTX, there will be more suitable alternatives available on the market... Until then, no B5 should really be making its way to Middlesbrough.
(30 Jul 2014, 9:35 pm)DaveyBowyer And so would Alpha make good money towing a B5 back all the way from Middlesborough to Riverside.I aspire that, by the time replacement vehicles NEED to be sourced for the TTX, there will be more suitable alternatives available on the market... Until then, no B5 should really be making its way to Middlesbrough.
(30 Jul 2014, 9:27 pm)DaveyBowyer Dan, do you think Volvo / Wrightbus will offer an 8 litre option?
(30 Jul 2014, 9:32 pm)DaveyBowyer They'd get good orders from GNE if they did though.
(30 Jul 2014, 9:27 pm)DaveyBowyer Dan, do you think Volvo / Wrightbus will offer an 8 litre option?
(30 Jul 2014, 9:32 pm)DaveyBowyer They'd get good orders from GNE if they did though.
(30 Jul 2014, 9:41 pm)Kuyoyo NO! There will not be a B8TL.I'd argue that they would *if* (and that's a big if) there was suddenly enough demand for one. They'd be stupid not to, because if a gap appears in the market, then there's always someone to fill it.
And that is the reason - the majority of the operators they received feedback for Euro6 on asked for the B5TL - they are not going to spend another large amount of money redeveloping their Euro6 chassis to weight less than the Euro5 B9TL to fit the 8-litre engine (the Euro6 B5TL is something like 1000kg less than the B9TL iirc). The fact we've yet to see a B8RLE shows volumes of how the market is going.
(30 Jul 2014, 9:41 pm)Kuyoyo NO! There will not be a B8TL.I'd argue that they would *if* (and that's a big if) there was suddenly enough demand for one. They'd be stupid not to, because if a gap appears in the market, then there's always someone to fill it.
And that is the reason - the majority of the operators they received feedback for Euro6 on asked for the B5TL - they are not going to spend another large amount of money redeveloping their Euro6 chassis to weight less than the Euro5 B9TL to fit the 8-litre engine (the Euro6 B5TL is something like 1000kg less than the B9TL iirc). The fact we've yet to see a B8RLE shows volumes of how the market is going.
(30 Jul 2014, 9:44 pm)aureolin I'd argue that they would *if* (and that's a big if) there was suddenly enough demand for one. They'd be stupid not to, because if a gap appears in the market, then there's always someone to fill it.
Unlikely maybe, but you can't categorically rule it out.
(30 Jul 2014, 9:44 pm)aureolin I'd argue that they would *if* (and that's a big if) there was suddenly enough demand for one. They'd be stupid not to, because if a gap appears in the market, then there's always someone to fill it.
Unlikely maybe, but you can't categorically rule it out.
(30 Jul 2014, 9:52 pm)Kuyoyo But what demand - Volvo's main UK customer was First, and they've gone to ADL. National Express's bus fleets have likewise. Arriva also have gone back to ADL from VDL/Wright. Most of Volvo's market has gone - mainly due to problems at Euro4 with weight (hence the lack of B9TLs in London pre-2008).
The simple fact is this - unless the minority that want a B8TL is large enough to recover costs, there won't be a B8TL. End of the day, this is business and Volvo won't spend millions re-working a chassis for a engine when only 1 or 2 companies will buy it from them.
(30 Jul 2014, 9:52 pm)Kuyoyo But what demand - Volvo's main UK customer was First, and they've gone to ADL. National Express's bus fleets have likewise. Arriva also have gone back to ADL from VDL/Wright. Most of Volvo's market has gone - mainly due to problems at Euro4 with weight (hence the lack of B9TLs in London pre-2008).
The simple fact is this - unless the minority that want a B8TL is large enough to recover costs, there won't be a B8TL. End of the day, this is business and Volvo won't spend millions re-working a chassis for a engine when only 1 or 2 companies will buy it from them.
(30 Jul 2014, 9:39 pm)Dan I aspire that, by the time replacement vehicles NEED to be sourced for the TTX, there will be more suitable alternatives available on the market... Until then, no B5 should really be making its way to Middlesbrough.
Davey, did you hear about the Lothian B5 which went from Newcastle to Edinburgh, then a few days later, Edinburgh to Brighton, then the day after, made the return journey back to Edinburgh?
(30 Jul 2014, 9:39 pm)Dan I aspire that, by the time replacement vehicles NEED to be sourced for the TTX, there will be more suitable alternatives available on the market... Until then, no B5 should really be making its way to Middlesbrough.
Davey, did you hear about the Lothian B5 which went from Newcastle to Edinburgh, then a few days later, Edinburgh to Brighton, then the day after, made the return journey back to Edinburgh?
Put it this way, this is what they'd get from GNE alone:
- 16 for the X1
- 24 for the TEN and TTX
- 18 for the Cobalt Clipper
- 17 for the Fab 56
- 20 for the Angel
- 9 for the Pronto
That alone is 104 vehicles. Then count in:
- Prince Bishops?
- Laser
- WTX?
- Toonlink
- Citylink if a single deck capacity da ja vu occurs (rather than rigid to artic)?
- Crusader?
Then count in ANE if they're willing to sacrafice fuel economy:
- 10 for Coast and Castles
- 15 for X21 / X22
- 12 for X10 / X11 (308)
- 6 for X93
Then count in EYMS, they like bit of power and so do Transdev for the Yorkshire Coastliner. Then count in First Eastern Counties (X1), Go Ahead South Coast and Brighton and Hove.
(30 Jul 2014, 10:09 pm)DaveyBowyer Put it this way, this is what they'd get from GNE alone:
- 16 for the X1
- 24 for the TEN and TTX
- 18 for the Cobalt Clipper
- 17 for the Fab 56
- 20 for the Angel
- 9 for the Pronto
That alone is 104 vehicles. Then count in:
- Prince Bishops?
- Laser
- WTX?
- Toonlink
- Citylink if a single deck capacity da ja vu occurs (rather than rigid to artic)?
- Crusader?
(30 Jul 2014, 10:17 pm)DaveyBowyer Then count in ANE if they're willing to sacrafice fuel economy:
- 10 for Coast and Castles
- 15 for X21 / X22
- 12 for X10 / X11 (308)
- 6 for X93
Then count in EYMS, they like bit of power and so do Transdev for the Yorkshire Coastliner. Then count in First Eastern Counties (X1), Go Ahead South Coast and Brighton and Hove.
(30 Jul 2014, 10:09 pm)DaveyBowyer Put it this way, this is what they'd get from GNE alone:
- 16 for the X1
- 24 for the TEN and TTX
- 18 for the Cobalt Clipper
- 17 for the Fab 56
- 20 for the Angel
- 9 for the Pronto
That alone is 104 vehicles. Then count in:
- Prince Bishops?
- Laser
- WTX?
- Toonlink
- Citylink if a single deck capacity da ja vu occurs (rather than rigid to artic)?
- Crusader?
(30 Jul 2014, 10:17 pm)DaveyBowyer Then count in ANE if they're willing to sacrafice fuel economy:
- 10 for Coast and Castles
- 15 for X21 / X22
- 12 for X10 / X11 (308)
- 6 for X93
Then count in EYMS, they like bit of power and so do Transdev for the Yorkshire Coastliner. Then count in First Eastern Counties (X1), Go Ahead South Coast and Brighton and Hove.
(31 Jul 2014, 1:48 pm)cbma06 Can anybody remember what GNE forcasted of the amount of new buses for this year?, if I remember their was 100 new buses for the pervious year, and their was something of the amount of in the 70's or 80's new buses this year, cant remember exact amount.
(31 Jul 2014, 1:48 pm)cbma06 Can anybody remember what GNE forcasted of the amount of new buses for this year?, if I remember their was 100 new buses for the pervious year, and their was something of the amount of in the 70's or 80's new buses this year, cant remember exact amount.
(05 Aug 2014, 5:31 pm)Tom Just thinking - if there are additional peak time runs on the X21, could the service be operated by Citaros?
(05 Aug 2014, 5:31 pm)Tom Just thinking - if there are additional peak time runs on the X21, could the service be operated by Citaros?
(05 Aug 2014, 5:31 pm)Tom Just thinking - if there are additional peak time runs on the X21, could the service be operated by Citaros?
(05 Aug 2014, 5:31 pm)Tom Just thinking - if there are additional peak time runs on the X21, could the service be operated by Citaros?
Just been thinking, although it could be a Long Shot due to said Vehicles only Receiving a Repaint in May 2012, But would the Red Kite justify Double Deckers, and more so Justify them if Toonlink Service 47 was to join the Brand, and then be extended from Blackhall Mill to Consett via Medomeley and Leadgate, Thus upping the Frequency to Every 10 Minutes and also having the Services Interwork with eachother.
As a Result Toonlink Service 11 would be a Standalone Service, while Services 31/32 would still Interwork, and on top of that would still receive Investment this year.